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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 24, 2018 17:44:14 GMT
8 - could have beaten a decent top half team. Had we played like that all season that would have been a Europa League 6 pointer. The Adam substitution was poor and masked the fact that bringing on Johnson (who didn't do anything wrong) and moving Bauer forward actually worked quite well. Campbell simply doesn't look ready - but to fair on Lambert he isn't going to know that until he sees him in that situation. There were a couple of moves where a more experienced forward would have created better options. Just shows that trusting our survival on teenagers is just plain stupid - and that's no criticsm of Campbell, Jese should have been on the pitch at some point - for Choupo or Diouf. Lambert is still learning about his players - and he's already shown in dropping Fletcher and Wimmer from the bench that he's prepared to be pretty decisive. Making mistakes isn't an issue for me at this early stage - it's learning from them and not repeating them that matters. This is the second time he's dropped Fletcher from the bench, he started the next game. And got taken off at half time. He made a mistake and rather than be stubborn he was decisive, Thank you for proving my point. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 24, 2018 17:45:36 GMT
This is the second time he's dropped Fletcher from the bench, he started the next game. And got taken off at half time. He made a mistake and rather than be stubborn he was decisive, Thank you for proving my point. He played 2/3 games since then! He hasn't learned anything. Same with Choupo. Same with Adam. |
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Post by Miles Offside on Feb 24, 2018 17:46:51 GMT
What a cracking job of football management that was. If Paul can keep that combination of attitude and composure flowing through the squad from here on in and never miss a beat we have a real chance of staying up - and that's the best we can ask. Bad mistake for their goal but Jack compensated right afterwards. In the scheme of things we really did feel good for an away win against a decent side (ok not at their best) and how many times have Stokies been able to say that this season? 9 from me add * if you were at the game please Given what he's got to work with and the state we were in when he took over, I'd go along with most of that. But he's definitely got a blind spot regarding Choupo-Moting. 8 |
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Post by Gifton on Feb 24, 2018 17:48:06 GMT
He needs to bin the 433. His subs were worse than Hughes'. 4.5 for the draw. He made mistakes but 4.5 is ridiculous... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 24, 2018 17:50:35 GMT
He needs to bin the 433. His subs were worse than Hughes'. 4.5 for the draw. He made mistakes but 4.5 is ridiculous... Why? He started with the wrong formation. We created fuck all. His subs cost us. It's fair. |
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Post by Gifton on Feb 24, 2018 17:56:22 GMT
4.5 though?
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Post by kustokie on Feb 24, 2018 17:57:02 GMT
7. I thought he got most things about right, until he brought on Adam - we lost control in mid-field after that. Hopefully he’s learnt that Adam is not up to the task anymore, he’s slow because he’s overweight, and he never could tackle. Now he’s just a walking red card.
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Post by kustokie on Feb 24, 2018 17:59:25 GMT
He made mistakes but 4.5 is ridiculous... Why? He started with the wrong formation. We created fuck all. His subs cost us. It's fair. I beg to differ. I thought the starting line up was the best available and he played to the players’ strengths - no more round pegs in square holes. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 24, 2018 18:00:24 GMT
Why? He started with the wrong formation. We created fuck all. His subs cost us. It's fair. I beg to differ.  I thought the starting line up was the best available and he played to the players’ strengths - no more round pegs in square holes. Shaq should be playing centrally. It's a defensive side and we need wins. |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Feb 24, 2018 18:03:11 GMT
Team selection, tactics and performance a way from home - all combined, I think I want to give him an 8.
But then you have to take into consideration the Adam substitution. And then we're back to -17.
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Post by borat on Feb 24, 2018 18:20:02 GMT
9 I'm one of the rare few who thinks hes doing a decent enough job, 1 defeat in 5 ( against in form Bournemouth) defence is much more tighter and organized, we've got a chance of staying up now whereas before with Hughes we were down, keep the faith. In form Bournemouth have lost to Huddersfield by 4 and Newcastle today , since then I know ( but they drew with Newcastle). On that day when we played them they were unbeaten in 6 had won Everton, Arsenal and Chelsea away 3-0, drew with West Ham twice and Brighton away, they lost to Huddersfield the week after they beat us. |
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Post by kustokie on Feb 24, 2018 18:27:32 GMT
I beg to differ. I thought the starting line up was the best available and he played to the players’ strengths - no more round pegs in square holes. Shaq should be playing centrally. It's a defensive side and we need wins. I agree. However, we don’t have a right winger unless you count Bauer, then that leaves Johnson to play right back. It is a bit puzzling that Lambert has not tried Edwards behind Bauer on the right. But you have to admit he has improved us defensively. Maybe he’ll try that next week. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 18:30:23 GMT
And got taken off at half time. He made a mistake and rather than be stubborn he was decisive, Thank you for proving my point. He played 2/3 games since then! He hasn't learned anything. Same with Choupo. Same with Adam. For a bloke who knows the squad well he keeps fucking it up. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 24, 2018 19:11:07 GMT
Shaq should be playing centrally. It's a defensive side and we need wins. I agree.  However, we don’t have a right winger unless you count Bauer, then that leaves Johnson to play right back.  It is a bit puzzling that Lambert has not tried Edwards behind Bauer on the right. But you have to admit he has improved us defensively.  Maybe he’ll try that next week.  Ramadan was doing ok there and scored 2 goals playing on the right didn't he? |
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Post by stokiemarc on Feb 24, 2018 19:39:11 GMT
He's got Shaq running his bollox off for 90 minutes, it's obvious he's got the players playing for the cause, bar Jack's mistake, it was a great away performance. 8 from me
Edited to 8, he should have gotten Jese on for ECM
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Post by caine on Feb 24, 2018 20:38:18 GMT
Subs were strange no Jese today?
My only criticism of him today. Choupo should of made way for Jese.
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Post by mrred on Feb 24, 2018 21:49:44 GMT
Perfect first half, improved the team physically and defensively, then destroyed all of this by making the wrong subs. Perfect? We barely got near them.first half. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 24, 2018 22:24:24 GMT
Shaq should be playing centrally. It's a defensive side and we need wins. I agree. However, we don’t have a right winger unless you count Bauer, then that leaves Johnson to play right back. It is a bit puzzling that Lambert has not tried Edwards behind Bauer on the right. But you have to admit he has improved us defensively. Maybe he’ll try that next week. To be honest Ramadan looks almost as good on the right as he does on the left - he is of course right footed so that will help with the defensive side of the game - and his goals have come when he played on the right. Edwards is also a possibility on the right wing with Bauer behind him in a 442. Edwards is probably the best crosser of the ball at the club. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 24, 2018 22:27:39 GMT
7.5.
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Post by OldStokie on Feb 25, 2018 1:10:34 GMT
7/10. Under different circumstances that would be a good point. (It may yet turn out to be but now is not a time for draws.)
OS.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Feb 25, 2018 7:22:12 GMT
7 -1 for charlie -1 for keeping choupo on for so long - 1 for not using ramadan or Jese and bringing on glen johnson Why the fook he bought adam and johnson on I will never know. Whats happened to Edwards? He has to be a better option than Johnson? |
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Feb 25, 2018 7:23:48 GMT
He needs to bin the 433. His subs were worse than Hughes'. 4.5 for the draw. I dont think you'd be happy with any formation or manager to be fair? |
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Feb 25, 2018 8:07:50 GMT
9 - for the first 70 minutes.
4 - for the last 20 minutes.
Next weeks team picks itself though doesn’t it.
Butland
Bauer Zouma BMI Stafy
Cameron
Shaqiri Allen Ndiaye Jese
Campbell
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2018 8:46:38 GMT
He needs to bin the 433. His subs were worse than Hughes'. 4.5 for the draw. I dont think you'd be happy with any formation or manager to be fair? Of course I would. But we aren't playing a balanced side. Football is generally about having the right balance and Lambert hasn't achieved that. |
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Post by homer32 on Feb 25, 2018 9:20:43 GMT
I dont think you'd be happy with any formation or manager to be fair? Of course I would. But we aren't playing a balanced side. Football is generally about having the right balance and Lambert hasn't achieved that. Could I ask the esteemed bayernoatcake what he would consider to be our best balanced side or the nearest we have to a balanced side.  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2018 9:48:19 GMT
Of course I would. But we aren't playing a balanced side. Football is generally about having the right balance and Lambert hasn't achieved that. Could I ask the esteemed bayernoatcake what he would consider to be our best balanced side or the nearest we have to a balanced side. Butland Bauer Shawcross Indi Either left back Cameron Allen/N'Diaye Ramadan Shaq Jese Diouf A lot better than what started yesterday. |
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Post by superheroantonius on Feb 25, 2018 10:03:28 GMT
I like the idea of a ramadan bauer double act on the right myself
Bit of energy, running and tackling and two right footers on the right is fine by me
Aside from that, I like lambo and think he has made us less bad that we were.
He has brought about a more positive mentality than hughes, while trying to made us more organised at the back.
I like the bloke
8 from me
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Post by homer32 on Feb 25, 2018 10:14:51 GMT
Could I ask the esteemed bayernoatcake what he would consider to be our best balanced side or the nearest we have to a balanced side. Butland Bauer Shawcross Indi Either left back Cameron Allen/N'Diaye Ramadan Shaq Jese Diouf A lot better than what started yesterday. Thanks bayernoatcake but surely Allen AND N'Diaye both have to start.Diouf isn't good enough and is never going to score the goals we need to stay up. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2018 10:16:14 GMT
Butland Bauer Shawcross Indi Either left back Cameron Allen/N'Diaye Ramadan Shaq Jese Diouf A lot better than what started yesterday. Thanks bayernoatcake but you're starting with 12 players!! Who would be your front 3 as I agree with your other 8.Personally I think Diouf is just not good enough. You've missed the / meaning or. I wouldn't have a front 3. |
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Post by homer32 on Feb 25, 2018 10:26:12 GMT
Thanks bayernoatcake but you're starting with 12 players!! Who would be your front 3 as I agree with your other 8.Personally I think Diouf is just not good enough. You've missed the / meaning or. I wouldn't have a front 3. Apologies but surely Allen and N'Diaye both have to start.Diouf isn't good enough to lead the line and won't score the goals but that is the problem and that is what will cost us.My only thought is a false number 9 with Shaq and Allen behind him. |
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