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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 24, 2018 23:35:00 GMT
Looking like odds-on Oxlade's out now. Shame as he was shaping up to be a starter. Wonder who that opens the door to potentially? That little scrote Wilshere I bet! Southgate would do well to get Milner out of retirement (seriously).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 5:54:48 GMT
That little scrote Wilshere I bet! Southgate would do well to get Milner out of retirement (seriously). Said this last week, why not go with a midfield of Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Henderson and Milner based on how well they’ve played at Liverpool together? Milner would jump at the chance surely? Obviously the Oxlaide-Chamberlain injury has put pay to that anyway......
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 25, 2018 7:56:18 GMT
That little scrote Wilshere I bet! Southgate would do well to get Milner out of retirement (seriously). Yeah, noticed quite a few people saying that! Oh how the wheel turns....but he has been playing very well recently (as has Henderson), and I've actually always liked him. Can't see it though. It'll be interesting to see who Southgate plays alongside Henderson now. Dier-Henderson is surely too negative as a deeper duo. Loftus-Cheek to start? Delph's got the energy? Wilshere? Cook? Shelvey to come in from the deep freeze?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 8:01:55 GMT
Southgate would do well to get Milner out of retirement (seriously). Yeah, noticed quite a few people saying that! Oh how the wheel turns....but he has been playing very well recently (as has Henderson), and I've actually always liked him. Can't see it though. It'll be interesting to see who Southgate plays alongside Henderson now. Dier-Henderson is surely too negative as a deeper duo. Loftus-Cheek to start? Delph's got the energy? Wilshere? Cook? Shelvey to come in from the deep freeze? That list is massively depressing.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 25, 2018 8:38:16 GMT
Yeah, noticed quite a few people saying that! Oh how the wheel turns....but he has been playing very well recently (as has Henderson), and I've actually always liked him. Can't see it though. It'll be interesting to see who Southgate plays alongside Henderson now. Dier-Henderson is surely too negative as a deeper duo. Loftus-Cheek to start? Delph's got the energy? Wilshere? Cook? Shelvey to come in from the deep freeze? That list is massively depressing. Yeah - it's a bit of a drop-off the way Ox-Chambo's been playing. But I'd be tempted to start Loftus-Cheek. He's got the ability. Pickford Stones-Maguire-Dier Walker-Henderson-LoftusCheek-Rose Lingard-Sterling Kane Little bit torn on whether to start Walker in a back 3. Alexander-Arnold will be pushing to get in the squad - then maybe even start? Looking maybe unlikely Rose will start, so will it be Bertrand, Young or even Delph? Doesn't look like Sessegnon's going to make a late run. I'm not a Bertrand fan, but suppose he's next in line. And 50-50 call between Alli and Lingard to start alongside Sterling, behind Kane.
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Apr 25, 2018 14:34:49 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 25, 2018 14:34:49 GMT
That list is massively depressing. Yeah - it's a bit of a drop-off the way Ox-Chambo's been playing. But I'd be tempted to start Loftus-Cheek. He's got the ability. Pickford Stones-Maguire-Dier Walker-Henderson-LoftusCheek-Rose Lingard-Sterling Kane Little bit torn on whether to start Walker in a back 3. Alexander-Arnold will be pushing to get in the squad - then maybe even start? Looking maybe unlikely Rose will start, so will it be Bertrand, Young or even Delph? Doesn't look like Sessegnon's going to make a late run. I'm not a Bertrand fan, but suppose he's next in line. And 50-50 call between Alli and Lingard to start alongside Sterling, behind Kane. Walker is nailed on for the right CB spot rather that right WB.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 25, 2018 17:03:11 GMT
Yeah - it's a bit of a drop-off the way Ox-Chambo's been playing. But I'd be tempted to start Loftus-Cheek. He's got the ability. Pickford Stones-Maguire-Dier Walker-Henderson-LoftusCheek-Rose Lingard-Sterling Kane Little bit torn on whether to start Walker in a back 3. Alexander-Arnold will be pushing to get in the squad - then maybe even start? Looking maybe unlikely Rose will start, so will it be Bertrand, Young or even Delph? Doesn't look like Sessegnon's going to make a late run. I'm not a Bertrand fan, but suppose he's next in line. And 50-50 call between Alli and Lingard to start alongside Sterling, behind Kane. Walker is nailed on for the right CB spot rather that right WB. Not sure it's 100%, Gary. But, yeah, suppose it is maybe pointing that way. In which case, do you have to take Trippier and Alexander-Arnold? Or will someone like Ashley Young be versatile cover for right wing-back? Oxlade confirmed as out
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Apr 25, 2018 17:35:09 GMT
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Post by WhyDelilah on Apr 25, 2018 17:35:09 GMT
I'm not going to lose too much sleep about OX being ruled out. Let's not pretend he was the answer to all our prayers.
Our midfield has been a big problem in recent years due to a severe lack of quality. Ox has very much been a part of that problem though, not the exception.
Yes, he's had a handful of decent games, but that doesn't overshadow the wealth of other games and periods of time we have to judge him by though, where by and large he hasn't been anywhere near good enough.
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Apr 25, 2018 17:40:28 GMT
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Post by werrington on Apr 25, 2018 17:40:28 GMT
I'm not going to lose too much sleep about OX being ruled out. Let's not pretend he was the answer to all our prayers. Our midfield has been a big problem in recent years due to a severe lack of quality. Ox has very much been a part of that problem though, not the exception. Yes, he's had a handful of decent games, but that doesn't overshadow the wealth of other games and periods of time we have to judge him by though, where by and large he hasn't been anywhere near good enough. Using that logic in regards England neither has Deli Alli so would you be bothered if he missed out ?
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Apr 25, 2018 17:44:10 GMT
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Post by WhyDelilah on Apr 25, 2018 17:44:10 GMT
I'm not going to lose too much sleep about OX being ruled out. Let's not pretend he was the answer to all our prayers. Our midfield has been a big problem in recent years due to a severe lack of quality. Ox has very much been a part of that problem though, not the exception. Yes, he's had a handful of decent games, but that doesn't overshadow the wealth of other games and periods of time we have to judge him by though, where by and large he hasn't been anywhere near good enough. Using that logic in regards England neither has Deli Alli so would you be bothered if he missed out ? I wouldn't actually. I think he's massively overrated. Certainly wouldn't be in my Startig XI.
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Post by werrington on Apr 25, 2018 17:46:53 GMT
Using that logic in regards England neither has Deli Alli so would you be bothered if he missed out ? I wouldn't actually. I think he's massively overrated. Certainly wouldn't be in my Startig XI. Fair dos It’s just the so called BIG players always seem to escape the wrath of the current England failures
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Post by vahl on Apr 26, 2018 9:04:57 GMT
Does Deli Alli even fit 3-4-2-1? As good as he can be, I don't think we will see a lot of him in the World Cup unless we drastically change it up.
With the Ox out we're now relying on Jack Wilshere. Make no mistake about it.
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Apr 26, 2018 9:13:48 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 26, 2018 9:13:48 GMT
I'm not going to lose too much sleep about OX being ruled out. Let's not pretend he was the answer to all our prayers. Our midfield has been a big problem in recent years due to a severe lack of quality. Ox has very much been a part of that problem though, not the exception. Yes, he's had a handful of decent games, but that doesn't overshadow the wealth of other games and periods of time we have to judge him by though, where by and large he hasn't been anywhere near good enough. In the past, correct. However, isn't it more important how a player is playing now?! I'd say so. He gave us energy, movement and a willingness to run in behind defences which none of our other midfielders can do.
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Apr 26, 2018 9:15:07 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 26, 2018 9:15:07 GMT
And I'd prefer Whishere in the midfield ahead of Alli, that's how wank I think Alli is for England.
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Apr 26, 2018 9:28:37 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 26, 2018 9:28:37 GMT
In form Ali is a country mile ahead of all our other options. Criticism on here is way over the top.
Not really on form though.
Rather take Oxlade-Chamberlain in his current state than Wilshire.
Agree with Bayern get the savvy Milner in.
Wouldn't be averse to Shelvey either.
Loftus Cheek maybe.
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Apr 26, 2018 9:32:20 GMT
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Post by WhyDelilah on Apr 26, 2018 9:32:20 GMT
I'm not going to lose too much sleep about OX being ruled out. Let's not pretend he was the answer to all our prayers. Our midfield has been a big problem in recent years due to a severe lack of quality. Ox has very much been a part of that problem though, not the exception. Yes, he's had a handful of decent games, but that doesn't overshadow the wealth of other games and periods of time we have to judge him by though, where by and large he hasn't been anywhere near good enough. In the past, correct. However, isn't it more important how a player is playing now?! I'd say so. He gave us energy, movement and a willingness to run in behind defences which none of our other midfielders can do. Like I say, it's a handful of games. It hasn't been enough to suggest he has turned a corner. There's more evidence to suggest he'd go back to his "1 good game in 10" form (I.e all the evidence of the past 8 years, not 8 games)
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Apr 26, 2018 9:37:59 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 26, 2018 9:37:59 GMT
In the past, correct. However, isn't it more important how a player is playing now?! I'd say so. He gave us energy, movement and a willingness to run in behind defences which none of our other midfielders can do. Like I say, it's a handful of games. It hasn't been enough to suggest he has turned a corner. There's more evidence to suggest he'd go back to his "1 good game in 10" form (I.e all the evidence of the past 8 years, not 8 games) I think he's in a position and role in the team now though where goals aren't his priority and shouldn't be. I'm not saying he's amazing or "the answer" but he definitely gave us a different dimension and something I'd rather watch than Henderson and Dier holding hands together.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 26, 2018 9:44:12 GMT
It's a shame as Ox was bang in form and momentum counts for so much going into tournaments like this, and we have so few decent options in midfield.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 26, 2018 9:47:27 GMT
I fail to see what Loftus-Cheek has done to be regarded as a starter. Yes, he had a reasonably good debut but he's hardly played and he has very little experience on the international stage.
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Apr 26, 2018 17:42:47 GMT
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Post by WhyDelilah on Apr 26, 2018 17:42:47 GMT
It's a shame as Ox was bang in form and momentum counts for so much going into tournaments like this, and we have so few decent options in midfield. We do have so few options. Because of players like Ox being the pond we fish in.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 26, 2018 19:16:24 GMT
It's a shame as Ox was bang in form and momentum counts for so much going into tournaments like this, and we have so few decent options in midfield. We do have so few options. Because of players like Ox being the pond we fish in. The good thing about Ox is that he has improved at least. That’s the good thing about having the likes of Guardiola, Poch and Klopp, they do work to improve players.
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Apr 26, 2018 20:56:17 GMT
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Post by WhyDelilah on Apr 26, 2018 20:56:17 GMT
We do have so few options. Because of players like Ox being the pond we fish in. The good thing about Ox is that he has improved at least. That’s the good thing about having the likes of Guardiola, Poch and Klopp, they do work to improve players. Wenger not up to it?
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Apr 26, 2018 21:03:27 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 26, 2018 21:03:27 GMT
The good thing about Ox is that he has improved at least. That’s the good thing about having the likes of Guardiola, Poch and Klopp, they do work to improve players. Wenger not up to it? Not anymore.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 26, 2018 22:20:39 GMT
The good thing about Ox is that he has improved at least. That’s the good thing about having the likes of Guardiola, Poch and Klopp, they do work to improve players. Wenger not up to it? No. Young players have stagnated on his watch for years now.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 28, 2018 15:43:21 GMT
Loftus-Cheek starring - and he's just scored.
Be surprised if he's not in the squad.
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Apr 28, 2018 16:00:34 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 28, 2018 16:00:34 GMT
Loftus-Cheek starring - and he's just scored. Be surprised if he's not in the squad. Is he on loan at palace or did they sign him permanently?
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 28, 2018 16:14:39 GMT
Loftus-Cheek starring - and he's just scored. Be surprised if he's not in the squad. Is he on loan at palace or did they sign him permanently? Still on loan - be interesting to see if Chelsea keep him. especially if he makes any kind of impression in Russia
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Post by Dr Hesham on Apr 28, 2018 19:25:03 GMT
Ox is better than Dele Alli, he is a fighter not a diver, Dele Alli will not find those English refs there.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 8, 2018 12:14:35 GMT
Gomez out of the World Cup (thought he's looked very ropey anyway)
Probably opens the door for Cahill?
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on May 11, 2018 7:38:51 GMT
Is there a world cup starting next month? Seen no TV adverts or any coverage. Not seen any merchandise and couldn't tell you who or what the mascot is. Could it be that it's in Russia by any chance, or has football gone to shit?
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