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Post by crapslinger on Feb 21, 2018 22:53:42 GMT
Why would any poster on here wisin my lifetime it ?, the sane ones wished Hughes had been sacked two years ago, we were called knicker wetters etc. by the half witted happy clappers on this board, those predictions have come to fruition inevitably, reality has struck home with many only two years too late t save our PL status shameful. Thank you for labelling me a half witted happy clapper. Fyi two years ago we were playing some of the best football I have seen In my lifetime.sadly mh lost his way and after the chelsea surrender he sealed his own fate.however was there anyone better out there to replace him? Would mh have gained more points than pl in our last 4 fixtures? i canot stand all this negativity on this board. You post a lot but do you ever go to a game? I suspect not. I am firmly behind pl now and one good win will turn our season around hopefully starting on saturday at leicester. Yep I go to games do you ?, I have not personally labelled you anything !, I suspect you never saw Stoke when we had the likes of Banks, Hudson, Greenhoff etc now that was what I call a football team, we are all behind Lambert has as been evident at the games he has been in charge, do you believe he is the right man to get us out of the mess Hughes has created ?
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Post by 3putts on Feb 21, 2018 23:28:25 GMT
Thank you for labelling me a half witted happy clapper. Fyi two years ago we were playing some of the best football I have seen In my lifetime.sadly mh lost his way and after the chelsea surrender he sealed his own fate.however was there anyone better out there to replace him? Would mh have gained more points than pl in our last 4 fixtures? i canot stand all this negativity on this board. You post a lot but do you ever go to a game? I suspect not. I am firmly behind pl now and one good win will turn our season around hopefully starting on saturday at leicester. Yep I go to games do you ?, I have not personally labelled you anything !, I suspect you never saw Stoke when we had the likes of Banks, Hudson, Greenhoff etc now that was what I call a football team, we are all behind Lambert has as been evident at the games he has been in charge, do you believe he is the right man to get us out of the mess Hughes has created ? i am a s/t holder i miss ganes when out of uk i was very young to renember much of banks playing i can only remember once before he had his crash.only saw huddy in his second spell.the best footy i saw was when richie barker was manager
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 21, 2018 23:42:04 GMT
Why would any poster on here wish it ?, the sane ones wished Hughes had been sacked two years ago, we were called knicker wetters etc. by the half witted happy clappers on this board, those predictions have come to fruition inevitably, reality has struck home with many only two years too late t save our PL status shameful. Well some people are taking dubious pleasure in claiming to have predicted our demise. Some are happy for us to fizzle out because they are going to feel they are proven right. And that exceeds Stoke City to some.
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Post by samba :) on Feb 22, 2018 0:14:23 GMT
Why would any poster on here wish it ?, the sane ones wished Hughes had been sacked two years ago, we were called knicker wetters etc. by the half witted happy clappers on this board, those predictions have come to fruition inevitably, reality has struck home with many only two years too late t save our PL status shameful. Well some people are taking dubious pleasure in claiming to have predicted our demise. Some are happy for us to fizzle out because they are going to feel they are proven right. And that exceeds Stoke City to some. you'll have to fly over and watch every week if you want to see it wont you?
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 22, 2018 0:22:30 GMT
Well some people are taking dubious pleasure in claiming to have predicted our demise. Some are happy for us to fizzle out because they are going to feel they are proven right. And that exceeds Stoke City to some. you'll have to fly over and watch every week if you want to see it wont you? Wrong. All football league games are shown here. From Southend to Carlisle. It's all accessible. But anyway does that mean residents of SOT are happy with relegation because they can still go games? My vested interest in Stoke;s survival is no different to anyone elses.
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Post by redstriper on Feb 22, 2018 4:11:47 GMT
Has your owner turned his back on your club as well? More or less that's what his definition of self sufficiency means in professional football you have to be willing to invest enough to stay on the gravy train. We've been through this with him before unwilling or unable to fund investment he has taken us to what is now League One twice already under his guidance. The picture is much clearer on this occasion it's definitely unwilling. Seriously ? you are bracketing Peter Coates with Ellis Short ? Short hasn't attended a Sunderland game this season. He is trying to sell the club. He is an American moneyman with no affinity or background to the town, he has hired and fired seven managers in seven years. He took over an established premier league club and has presided over it turning into a basket case.
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Post by RAF on Feb 22, 2018 8:06:31 GMT
Spelling error, don't jizz too much over it. TG x Maybe you can use your telfon to ring TP and beg for his return trolltard? H
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Feb 22, 2018 8:11:48 GMT
More or less that's what his definition of self sufficiency means in professional football you have to be willing to invest enough to stay on the gravy train. We've been through this with him before unwilling or unable to fund investment he has taken us to what is now League One twice already under his guidance. The picture is much clearer on this occasion it's definitely unwilling. Seriously ? you are bracketing Peter Coates with Ellis Short ? Short hasn't attended a Sunderland game this season. He is trying to sell the club. He is an American moneyman with no affinity or background to the town, he has hired and fired seven managers in seven years. He took over an established premier league club and has presided over it turning into a basket case. If I was Peter Coates or any member of his family reading some of the abusive shit written about him by some of the fuckwits on here I'd be wondering why I should continue to employ thousands of people in Stoke on Trent. Why not do what other companies do and relocate to Indo China? But then that won't affect the fuckwits will it? Most of whom appear to be unemployable.
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Post by chad on Feb 22, 2018 8:17:05 GMT
If I was Peter Coates or any member of his family reading some of the abusive shit written about him by some of the fuckwits on here I'd be wondering why I should continue to employ thousands of people in Stoke on Trent. Why not do what other companies do and relocate to Indo China? But then that won't affect the fuckwits will it? Most of whom appear to be unemployable. Well said that man
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Post by alster on Feb 22, 2018 8:26:44 GMT
More or less that's what his definition of self sufficiency means in professional football you have to be willing to invest enough to stay on the gravy train. We've been through this with him before unwilling or unable to fund investment he has taken us to what is now League One twice already under his guidance. The picture is much clearer on this occasion it's definitely unwilling. Seriously ? you are bracketing Peter Coates with Ellis Short ? Short hasn't attended a Sunderland game this season. He is trying to sell the club. He is an American moneyman with no affinity or background to the town, he has hired and fired seven managers in seven years. He took over an established premier league club and has presided over it turning into a basket case. I think you'll find I've never mentioned or alluded to Ellis Short in any way shape or form primarily because I know fuck all about him other than he's American. I do know about Peter Coates and he has reverted to type. There was no new investment in the club for 3 years previous to the last published accounts in which we lost £16M and our activity in the transfer market suggests he/they wanted it straight back which has landed us in this predicament. Selling our best player and taking a profit on transfers. For a club with Premier League income that was already struggling not to provide a transfer budget never mind new money is a recipe for disaster. In terms of asset value he/they had done nicely on their investment upto that point failing to provide more new investment to try to reverse our slide was asking for the season we're currently suffering. It was stupid in both sporting and business sense but we've seen it all before with him only difference now is he/they can't claim to not be able to afford to make sufficient investment to protect and grow their asset value, plain and simple fact is if they wanted the club to become a cash cow, yes before you start bleating about it Denise clearly said she wanted to start seeing some return on their investment, the asset value was healthy a football club is never going to be a cash cow like their core business. Then they should have just cashed in on their investment. Truth is we're owned by a woman with no affection for the club who allows an incompetent 80 year old to run it as his plaything and now we're pinning our hopes on his Son taking up the reins and being any different when he's already up to his neck in the current mess.
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Post by thegift on Feb 22, 2018 8:46:29 GMT
Spelling error, don't jizz too much over it. TG x Maybe you can use your telfon to ring TP and beg for his return trolltard? H Good one raf, you aren't half as funny as you think you are TG x
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 22, 2018 8:58:57 GMT
Seriously ? you are bracketing Peter Coates with Ellis Short ? Short hasn't attended a Sunderland game this season. He is trying to sell the club. He is an American moneyman with no affinity or background to the town, he has hired and fired seven managers in seven years. He took over an established premier league club and has presided over it turning into a basket case. I think you'll find I've never mentioned or alluded to Ellis Short in any way shape or form primarily because I know fuck all about him other than he's American. I do know about Peter Coates and he has reverted to type. There was no new investment in the club for 3 years previous to the last published accounts in which we lost £16M and our activity in the transfer market suggests he/they wanted it straight back which has landed us in this predicament. Selling our best player and taking a profit on transfers. For a club with Premier League income that was already struggling not to provide a transfer budget never mind new money is a recipe for disaster. In terms of asset value he/they had done nicely on their investment upto that point failing to provide more new investment to try to reverse our slide was asking for the season we're currently suffering. It was stupid in both sporting and business sense but we've seen it all before with him only difference now is he/they can't claim to not be able to afford to make sufficient investment to protect and grow their asset value, plain and simple fact is if they wanted the club to become a cash cow, yes before you start bleating about it Denise clearly said she wanted to start seeing some return on their investment, the asset value was healthy a football club is never going to be a cash cow like their core business. Then they should have just cashed in on their investment. Truth is we're owned by a woman with no affection for the club who allows an incompetent 80 year old to run it as his plaything and now we're pinning our hopes on his Son taking up the reins and being any different when he's already up to his neck in the current mess. Excellent post
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Feb 22, 2018 9:03:23 GMT
We are on our way back to the dark days. What a crock of shit.were you even around In our dark days? If so you would know we would have allready sold shaq, jack, joe etc.there are no similarities to our dark ages and one good result will change everything. I was around in the dark days as i have been supporting stoke since 1966 & i can tell you now the similarities are there again & even more so this time. I also worked for the club during one of its darker periods & all the signs are there again. Talking a crock shit we will see about that in the coming weeks i like all fans want us to survive not just for us the fans but for the city & everything else it entails.
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Post by redstriper on Feb 22, 2018 9:08:37 GMT
Seriously ? you are bracketing Peter Coates with Ellis Short ? Short hasn't attended a Sunderland game this season. He is trying to sell the club. He is an American moneyman with no affinity or background to the town, he has hired and fired seven managers in seven years. He took over an established premier league club and has presided over it turning into a basket case. I think you'll find I've never mentioned or alluded to Ellis Short in any way shape or form primarily because I know fuck all about him other than he's American. I do know about Peter Coates and he has reverted to type. There was no new investment in the club for 3 years previous to the last published accounts in which we lost £16M and our activity in the transfer market suggests he/they wanted it straight back which has landed us in this predicament. Selling our best player and taking a profit on transfers. For a club with Premier League income that was already struggling not to provide a transfer budget never mind new money is a recipe for disaster. In terms of asset value he/they had done nicely on their investment upto that point failing to provide more new investment to try to reverse our slide was asking for the season we're currently suffering. It was stupid in both sporting and business sense but we've seen it all before with him only difference now is he/they can't claim to not be able to afford to make sufficient investment to protect and grow their asset value, plain and simple fact is if they wanted the club to become a cash cow, yes before you start bleating about it Denise clearly said she wanted to start seeing some return on their investment, the asset value was healthy a football club is never going to be a cash cow like their core business. Then they should have just cashed in on their investment. Truth is we're owned by a woman with no affection for the club who allows an incompetent 80 year old to run it as his plaything and now we're pinning our hopes on his Son taking up the reins and being any different when he's already up to his neck in the current mess. Haway asked you directly whether our chairman had turned his back on the club. You replied "more or less" This is utter horseshit, a complete fabrication, as anyone who attends and sees him in the stands every week will attest. It's fucking sad that at a difficult time we have self styled "supporters" peddling agenda led drivel such as this.
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Post by alster on Feb 22, 2018 9:27:38 GMT
I think you'll find I've never mentioned or alluded to Ellis Short in any way shape or form primarily because I know fuck all about him other than he's American. I do know about Peter Coates and he has reverted to type. There was no new investment in the club for 3 years previous to the last published accounts in which we lost £16M and our activity in the transfer market suggests he/they wanted it straight back which has landed us in this predicament. Selling our best player and taking a profit on transfers. For a club with Premier League income that was already struggling not to provide a transfer budget never mind new money is a recipe for disaster. In terms of asset value he/they had done nicely on their investment upto that point failing to provide more new investment to try to reverse our slide was asking for the season we're currently suffering. It was stupid in both sporting and business sense but we've seen it all before with him only difference now is he/they can't claim to not be able to afford to make sufficient investment to protect and grow their asset value, plain and simple fact is if they wanted the club to become a cash cow, yes before you start bleating about it Denise clearly said she wanted to start seeing some return on their investment, the asset value was healthy a football club is never going to be a cash cow like their core business. Then they should have just cashed in on their investment. Truth is we're owned by a woman with no affection for the club who allows an incompetent 80 year old to run it as his plaything and now we're pinning our hopes on his Son taking up the reins and being any different when he's already up to his neck in the current mess. Haway asked you directly whether our chairman had turned his back on the club. You replied "more or less" This is utter horseshit, a complete fabrication, as anyone who attends and sees him in the stands every week will attest. It's fucking sad that at a difficult time we have self styled "supporters" peddling agenda led drivel such as this. There is nothing agenda led about it, he is pursuing his own agenda which has failed him previously, its utter nonsense. Non elite football clubs needs ongoing new investment to keep them competitive, its not a loss maker as football hyperinflation sees the asset value grow at a greater pace than the required new investment. If he/they didn't want to do this they should have cashed in instead of revisiting old ground and expecting a different outcome. They've somehow convinced themselves they're shit hot at running a football club and they just aren't, they were shit hot at putting money in for a short while and it served them well but they decided to ditch that successful model and return to the failed one breathtaking stupidity.
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Post by samba :) on Feb 22, 2018 9:40:16 GMT
you'll have to fly over and watch every week if you want to see it wont you? Wrong. All football league games are shown here. From Southend to Carlisle. It's all accessible. But anyway does that mean residents of SOT are happy with relegation because they can still go games? My vested interest in Stoke;s survival is no different to anyone elses. bloody hell joe you bit at that
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Post by hanibal7 on Feb 22, 2018 11:32:46 GMT
Seriously ? you are bracketing Peter Coates with Ellis Short ? Short hasn't attended a Sunderland game this season. He is trying to sell the club. He is an American moneyman with no affinity or background to the town, he has hired and fired seven managers in seven years. He took over an established premier league club and has presided over it turning into a basket case. If I was Peter Coates or any member of his family reading some of the abusive shit written about him by some of the fuckwits on here I'd be wondering why I should continue to employ thousands of people in Stoke on Trent. Why not do what other companies do and relocate to Indo China? But then that won't affect the fuckwits will it? Most of whom appear to be unemployable. Got to agree with you.Does Coates pay more than the government for dole, sick disability, housing etc etc???
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 22, 2018 11:42:53 GMT
Shrewsbury vs stoke or Stoke vs Arsenal All of the 92-93 season Stoke v Stockport (at Wembley not the playoff) Peterborough v Stoke Stoke v Bristol (at Wembley) Cardiff v Stoke Shining lights in a morass of shite. Just off the top of my head. There have been others It's all relative and doesn't have to be Premier League related. Sometimes beating Shrewsbury 4-0 in the 1st division can be a better feeling than losing 4-0 to Arsenal in the Premier League. Best post I’ve read for a long time - it is relative. It might be something to do with being young back in the early nineties but that period of being a stoke fan is up there with the best of times. Balls to the money driven prem 😛
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Post by redstriper on Feb 22, 2018 12:32:58 GMT
Haway asked you directly whether our chairman had turned his back on the club. You replied "more or less" This is utter horseshit, a complete fabrication, as anyone who attends and sees him in the stands every week will attest. It's fucking sad that at a difficult time we have self styled "supporters" peddling agenda led drivel such as this. There is nothing agenda led about it, he is pursuing his own agenda which has failed him previously, its utter nonsense. Non elite football clubs needs ongoing new investment to keep them competitive, its not a loss maker as football hyperinflation sees the asset value grow at a greater pace than the required new investment. If he/they didn't want to do this they should have cashed in instead of revisiting old ground and expecting a different outcome. They've somehow convinced themselves they're shit hot at running a football club and they just aren't, they were shit hot at putting money in for a short while and it served them well but they decided to ditch that successful model and return to the failed one breathtaking stupidity. Obviously your entitled to your view as to whether he is a capable chairman. But to state he has "more or less turned his back on the club" is just bollocks. Questioning his actions in that respect shows you are not objective and loses you all credibility. You have an agenda, you want him out. You wish to encourage other people to think the same, and you are prepared to state utter fabrications in order to try and prove your point.
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Post by alster on Feb 22, 2018 12:45:23 GMT
There is nothing agenda led about it, he is pursuing his own agenda which has failed him previously, its utter nonsense. Non elite football clubs needs ongoing new investment to keep them competitive, its not a loss maker as football hyperinflation sees the asset value grow at a greater pace than the required new investment. If he/they didn't want to do this they should have cashed in instead of revisiting old ground and expecting a different outcome. They've somehow convinced themselves they're shit hot at running a football club and they just aren't, they were shit hot at putting money in for a short while and it served them well but they decided to ditch that successful model and return to the failed one breathtaking stupidity. Obviously your entitled to your view as to whether he is a capable chairman. But to state he has "more or less turned his back on the club" is just bollocks. Questioning his actions in that respect shows you are not objective and loses you all credibility. You have an agenda, you want him out. You wish to encourage other people to think the same, and you are prepared to state utter fabrications in order to try and prove your point. Where are the utter fabrications, where am I encouraging anyone to think anything. I'm providing information on Coates' whole tenure as owner of Stoke City. He found out to his pain that you can't run a successful football club without ongoing investment. He went away got obscenely rich thanks to his Daughter came back and invested it went well from both a sporting and financial perspective so then inexplicably and unnecessarily he decided to revert to his previous model for running a football club which had proven to be unsuccessful taking us to our lowest point of competition in our existence not once but twice(what is now League One). There is absolutely no fabrication about it.
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Post by daveandeddy on Feb 22, 2018 13:22:45 GMT
Why would any poster on here wish it ?, the sane ones wished Hughes had been sacked two years ago, we were called knicker wetters etc. by the half witted happy clappers on this board, those predictions have come to fruition inevitably, reality has struck home with many only two years too late t save our PL status shameful. Couldn't agree more. I said Hughes is turning us into QPR 7 months ago and people we're saying i was the one losing the plot. getting slated left right and center. Now look.... wtf
You both talk about relegation as a done deal ?
Why don't you sing a little louder and moan a little less ? and at least try to enjoy the rest of the season
stay away from sharp utensils
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Post by daveandeddy on Feb 22, 2018 13:30:54 GMT
Maybe you can use your telfon to ring TP and beg for his return trolltard? H Good one raf, you aren't half as funny as you think you are TG x I disagree ........... ( I can cant I ? )
telfon made me laugh as well
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Post by RAF on Feb 22, 2018 13:32:10 GMT
Maybe you can use your telfon to ring TP and beg for his return trolltard? H Good one raf, you aren't half as funny as you think you are TG x I'm positively Bill fucking Hicks compared to your Tarbuck TrollTard! H
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Post by kustokie on Feb 22, 2018 13:41:23 GMT
Why would any poster on here wish it ?, the sane ones wished Hughes had been sacked two years ago, we were called knicker wetters etc. by the half witted happy clappers on this board, those predictions have come to fruition inevitably, reality has struck home with many only two years too late t save our PL status shameful. Couldn't agree more. I said Hughes is turning us into QPR 7 months ago and people we're saying i was the one losing the plot. getting slated left right and center. Now look.... You weren’t alone. I didn’t want Hughes in the first place because of what I saw at QPR. He proved everyone wrong for a while, but he inherited a strong defense, and players that were fit and well disciplined. Those qualities ensured a mid-table finished but unexciting football. Instead of building on those strengths, he ignored what made us strong and gambled on some players that were out favor (like Bojan, Arni, Zonz, and few others). It started to unravel about two years ago and he couldn’t or wouldn’t adjust. I think he just lost interest and was content to milk it, picking up a pay check until he got fired.
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Post by thegift on Feb 22, 2018 13:50:51 GMT
Couldn't agree more. I said Hughes is turning us into QPR 7 months ago and people we're saying i was the one losing the plot. getting slated left right and center. Now look.... You weren’t alone. I didn’t want Hughes in the first place because of what I saw at QPR. He proved everyone wrong for a while, but he inherited a strong defense, and players that were fit and well disciplined. Those qualities ensured a mid-table finished but unexciting football. Instead of building on those strengths, he ignored what made us strong and gambled on some players that were out favor (like Bojan, Arni, Zonz, and few others). It started to unravel about two years ago and he couldn’t or wouldn’t adjust. I think he just lost interest and was content to milk it, picking up a pay check until he got fired. There's a four page thread on here about me saying about us turning into QPR. You had the happy clappers like oldstokie, pugs, and them lot who made out i was being OTT and being a troll. 18 months ago you could see the decline as clear as day and they couldn't see or it accept it.
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Post by daveandeddy on Feb 22, 2018 13:55:29 GMT
You weren’t alone. I didn’t want Hughes in the first place because of what I saw at QPR. He proved everyone wrong for a while, but he inherited a strong defense, and players that were fit and well disciplined. Those qualities ensured a mid-table finished but unexciting football. Instead of building on those strengths, he ignored what made us strong and gambled on some players that were out favor (like Bojan, Arni, Zonz, and few others). It started to unravel about two years ago and he couldn’t or wouldn’t adjust. I think he just lost interest and was content to milk it, picking up a pay check until he got fired. There's a four page thread on here about me saying about us turning into QPR. You had the happy clappers like oldstokie, pugs, and them lot who made out i was being OTT and being a troll. 18 months ago you could see the decline as clear as day and they couldn't see or it accept it. we are nothing like QPR
They have blue and white hoops and we have red and white stripes?
And we haven't had Colin as a manager yet
We are much more like Southampton
Just for the record --- I don't think you are a troll .... Just someone who likes to post a lot
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Post by thegift on Feb 22, 2018 13:58:37 GMT
There's a four page thread on here about me saying about us turning into QPR. You had the happy clappers like oldstokie, pugs, and them lot who made out i was being OTT and being a troll. 18 months ago you could see the decline as clear as day and they couldn't see or it accept it. we are nothing like QPR
They have blue and white hoops and we have red and white stripes?
And we haven't had Colin as a manager yet
We are much more like Southampton
Just for the record --- I don't think you are a troll .... Just someone who likes to post a lot
I do like to post, of course, i have feelings about our club. Its frustrating seeing what we are turning into. The blue and white hoops statement doesn't even warrant a reply. We've had Hughes as manager who has over stayed his welcome and put us into a similar position as he did QPR, the difference being QPR had a little longer to get out of it than we do. Unfortunately, in both cases, it looks like its too late
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Post by daveandeddy on Feb 22, 2018 16:39:25 GMT
we are nothing like QPR
They have blue and white hoops and we have red and white stripes?
And we haven't had Colin as a manager yet
We are much more like Southampton
Just for the record --- I don't think you are a troll .... Just someone who likes to post a lot
I do like to post, of course, i have feelings about our club. Its frustrating seeing what we are turning into. The blue and white hoops statement doesn't even warrant a reply. We've had Hughes as manager who has over stayed his welcome and put us into a similar position as he did QPR, the difference being QPR had a little longer to get out of it than we do. Unfortunately, in both cases, it looks like its too late whoosh........................................
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Post by thegift on Feb 22, 2018 16:43:08 GMT
I do like to post, of course, i have feelings about our club. Its frustrating seeing what we are turning into. The blue and white hoops statement doesn't even warrant a reply. We've had Hughes as manager who has over stayed his welcome and put us into a similar position as he did QPR, the difference being QPR had a little longer to get out of it than we do. Unfortunately, in both cases, it looks like its too late whoosh........................................ Top quality reply that, just like the original post you made.
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Post by andystokey on Feb 22, 2018 22:22:58 GMT
we are nothing like QPR
They have blue and white hoops and we have red and white stripes?
And we haven't had Colin as a manager yet
We are much more like Southampton
Just for the record --- I don't think you are a troll .... Just someone who likes to post a lot
I do like to post, of course, i have feelings about our club. Its frustrating seeing what we are turning into. The blue and white hoops statement doesn't even warrant a reply. We've had Hughes as manager who has over stayed his welcome and put us into a similar position as he did QPR, the difference being QPR had a little longer to get out of it than we do. Unfortunately, in both cases, it looks like its too late Stoke's financial position is nothing like QPR thank goodness. Facing over £100M in FFP fines and dodgy loans by the chairman. They are staring at an uncertain future because of gross financial mismanagement. The playing staff have remained professional unlike QPR have resale value and if we do go down we will be able to regroup and be stronger financially that at any time in our history. Our situation will be nothing like QPR.
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