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Post by scfcno1fan on Feb 17, 2018 19:41:34 GMT
We’ll bounce straight back.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 17, 2018 19:45:36 GMT
We’ll bounce straight back. Im sorry to say mate but if we go down i don’t think there’s a hope in hell of coming straight back sadly imo
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Post by rawli on Feb 17, 2018 19:59:02 GMT
Watching Hull play Chelsea yesterday looked awfully familiar. I am doing my level best, I really am.Not only is my glass usually half full, But I’m glad we’re not drinking out of plastic. That being said my biggest difficulty is I see no effing difference whatsoever. Same sh*t, different day. I think at this point I’d rather see him play the U23s and lose than the same, sorry faces drifting around looking confused and lonely. I refuse to name names but I really believe in one recent game Liam Miller would have done more work in our midfield (rest in piece) The three best touches in the second half were Lambert flicking it into Shaqs chest for him to take a thrown and the drilled pass when he ran out of his technical area when we won a free kick. Sorry No need to bring a tragedy like Liam Miller's short life into it.
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Post by s8to on Feb 17, 2018 20:16:14 GMT
Just been talking to a friend who supports Blackburn. He made an interesting point about clubs that go down from The Premiership, and its got me a bit worried. The tree/four decent players that we have will probably move leaving a squad that would find life in The Championship rather dificult. I can now see Stoke in Division 1 in a couple of years, and possibly Division 2 - look at Blackburn Rovers, Coventry, Portsmouth, etc. Don't want it to happen but if it does we are not going to bounce back. Can anyone see a plan B if Stoke go down? Would anyone at the club be working on a strategy now? I've been in busines for a long time and there is always someone working in the background on 'what if' scenarios. Just wondered if a football club (basically a business) would be doing this. What if... we aren't relegated.. so what if we were playing in the champions league with PL managing us? Focus on keeping us in the league 😉
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Post by sufolkstokie on Feb 17, 2018 20:26:41 GMT
If we go down, which looks likely sadly, we have some big issues:-
1) We have a lot of players on the books than no one else appears to want and can not cut it no matter where they play
2) We have some good players who will jump ship (who can blame them), leaving us with not a lot
3) No matter what situation we have never really introduced the youngsters so we really have no idea if anyone is ready
4) Paul Lambert - nowt against the bloke but how did we end up here?
5) Paul Lambert - really spells it out that no real money will be spent because he is just a safe manager for the directors in terms of just happy to be here
6) Mismanagement from top to too bottom for the last few years points to no real desire = thanks for the great memories
Oh well at least will be able to sit where we ant and watch games from different vantage points
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Post by werrington on Feb 17, 2018 20:34:27 GMT
If we go down, which looks likely sadly, we have some big issues:- 1) We have a lot of players on the books than no one else appears to want and can not cut it no matter where they play 2) We have some good players who will jump ship (who can blame them), leaving us with not a lot 3) No matter what situation we have never really introduced the youngsters so we really have no idea if anyone is ready 4) Paul Lambert - nowt against the bloke but how did we end up here? 5) Paul Lambert - really spells it out that no real money will be spent because he is just a safe manager for the directors in terms of just happy to be here 6) Mismanagement from top to too bottom for the last few years points to no real desire = thanks for the great memories Oh well at least will be able to sit where we ant and watch games from different vantage points He’ll be dispensed with for David Moyes mate
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Post by mrred on Feb 17, 2018 20:36:01 GMT
We've got the whiff of Sunderland about us. There are glaring problems at the club but they seem to big headed to face them head on. That said I can't see us doing back to back relegations. We'll stagnate in the Championship for a few years unless Lambert manages to keep the players and do a job like Rafa did.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Feb 17, 2018 20:38:17 GMT
If we go down, which looks likely sadly, we have some big issues:- 1) We have a lot of players on the books than no one else appears to want and can not cut it no matter where they play 2) We have some good players who will jump ship (who can blame them), leaving us with not a lot 3) No matter what situation we have never really introduced the youngsters so we really have no idea if anyone is ready 4) Paul Lambert - nowt against the bloke but how did we end up here? 5) Paul Lambert - really spells it out that no real money will be spent because he is just a safe manager for the directors in terms of just happy to be here 6) Mismanagement from top to too bottom for the last few years points to no real desire = thanks for the great memories Oh well at least will be able to sit where we ant and watch games from different vantage points He’ll be dispensed with for David Moyes mate He has a 2.5 year deal? Coates has already done the prep for next year - no way will he get rid of a yes man Lord knows what goes through Coates 2018 mind
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Post by claytonscrubs on Feb 17, 2018 20:38:40 GMT
Not far. I have faith in Lambert. I had faith in Lambert to start off with, but he keeps picking Fletcher 🙄 and bringing on Berahino, really ? I’m now an atheist... 😉
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 17, 2018 20:44:53 GMT
Mid Cheshire league - first game v Lynotype Lynotype, a name from the past. Weren't they from Altrincham?
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Post by Gods on Feb 17, 2018 20:57:41 GMT
If we go down, which looks likely sadly, we have some big issues:- 1) We have a lot of players on the books than no one else appears to want and can not cut it no matter where they play 2) We have some good players who will jump ship (who can blame them), leaving us with not a lot 3) No matter what situation we have never really introduced the youngsters so we really have no idea if anyone is ready 4) Paul Lambert - nowt against the bloke but how did we end up here? 5) Paul Lambert - really spells it out that no real money will be spent because he is just a safe manager for the directors in terms of just happy to be here 6) Mismanagement from top to too bottom for the last few years points to no real desire = thanks for the great memories Oh well at least will be able to sit where we ant and watch games from different vantage points 7)Our biggest problem will be Imbula, Berahino, Wimmer and Bojan all on 5 year contracts and stratospheric (by Championship standards) salaries and all unplayable and yet unsellable. That's the kind of thing that will sink a club for years.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Feb 17, 2018 21:51:52 GMT
If we go down, which looks likely sadly, we have some big issues:- 1) We have a lot of players on the books than no one else appears to want and can not cut it no matter where they play 2) We have some good players who will jump ship (who can blame them), leaving us with not a lot 3) No matter what situation we have never really introduced the youngsters so we really have no idea if anyone is ready 4) Paul Lambert - nowt against the bloke but how did we end up here? 5) Paul Lambert - really spells it out that no real money will be spent because he is just a safe manager for the directors in terms of just happy to be here 6) Mismanagement from top to too bottom for the last few years points to no real desire = thanks for the great memories Oh well at least will be able to sit where we ant and watch games from different vantage points 7)Our biggest problem will be Imbula, Berahino, Wimmer and Bojan all on 5 year contracts and stratospheric (by Championship standards) salaries and all unplayable and yet unsellable. That's the kind of thing that will sink a club for years. indeed
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 17, 2018 21:53:14 GMT
Our natural place in the pecking order is probably top-half/mid-table Championship and that's where we'll probably end up for a while when we go down. If you look at historical stats, number of years,in top flight, consecutive years in top flight, our position in the pecking order is a top flight club. I think we would only sell butland and shaq and some of the rubbish players. I think our owners have made a few mistakes but they want us in the top flight, so I think we'll be straight back
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Post by Fred Ferret on Feb 17, 2018 22:20:01 GMT
Really, what a bunch of doom laden werrets, c’mon guys 11 games to play, although we’ll have a stark reality after the next 4.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 17, 2018 22:39:22 GMT
Have we really given up all hope?
I was pretty negative but you know what, fuck it, it is not over yet.
Fuck this shit.
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Post by marylandstoke on Feb 18, 2018 0:52:40 GMT
Not given up any hope. We are Stoke. We will get great performances against the people we shouldn’t and play down to the clubs we should.
Did just suddenly have an oh oh moment.
Did they get PL only because they thought we would go down?
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Post by Sfance on Feb 18, 2018 1:28:46 GMT
We WERE Stoke. Then Hughes happened. Now we're more like QPR. Thinking that we can pull ourselves out of the fire at this stage is like thinking Berahino will score back-to-back hatricks. But as to the question at hand, I can see us mid-tablish for a couple of years. After that, the crystal ball is very opaque.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 18, 2018 2:27:42 GMT
We are run like a national league side and that is were I fear we will eventually end up. Ferfuxache
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Post by stokemark on Feb 18, 2018 10:00:00 GMT
I got told by many one here 'stop knicker wetting'
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 18, 2018 13:17:23 GMT
If we go down, which looks likely sadly, we have some big issues:- 1) We have a lot of players on the books than no one else appears to want and can not cut it no matter where they play 2) We have some good players who will jump ship (who can blame them), leaving us with not a lot 3) No matter what situation we have never really introduced the youngsters so we really have no idea if anyone is ready 4) Paul Lambert - nowt against the bloke but how did we end up here? 5) Paul Lambert - really spells it out that no real money will be spent because he is just a safe manager for the directors in terms of just happy to be here 6) Mismanagement from top to too bottom for the last few years points to no real desire = thanks for the great memories Oh well at least will be able to sit where we ant and watch games from different vantage points He’ll be dispensed with for David Moyes mate With Moyes joining WHU I thought the board may try and hold onto Leslie until this May and then make for approach Moyes. If we had got rid of Leslie when we should have done last summer Moyes would have been an odds on favourite then. If we are relegated I’m not sure Moyes would drop a Division
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 14:27:57 GMT
Can't see us falling any further in the next few years. The Butland/Allen/Shaq money and parachute cash should see us to respectability, regardless of the extent Bet 365 choose to go through the motions. But, realistically, can we see a Paul Lambert-led team of Pizza Boys' purchases troubling the promotion places? Sadly, no. Not really. I can see big money coming in for Butland and Shaq, but Joe Allen...really... 7 to 10 Mill would be my guess...If we sold him at all that is...
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 18, 2018 14:30:40 GMT
Can't see us falling any further in the next few years. The Butland/Allen/Shaq money and parachute cash should see us to respectability, regardless of the extent Bet 365 choose to go through the motions. But, realistically, can we see a Paul Lambert-led team of Pizza Boys' purchases troubling the promotion places? Sadly, no. Not really. I can see big money coming in for Butland and Shaq, but Joe Allen...really... 7 to 10 Mill would be my guess...If we sold him at all that is... www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-joe-allen-west-ham-1167649I'd say we'd get a lot more than that. We paid £13m and the market has continued to heat up.
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Post by werrington on Feb 18, 2018 14:39:47 GMT
Can't see us falling any further in the next few years. The Butland/Allen/Shaq money and parachute cash should see us to respectability, regardless of the extent Bet 365 choose to go through the motions. But, realistically, can we see a Paul Lambert-led team of Pizza Boys' purchases troubling the promotion places? Sadly, no. Not really. I can see big money coming in for Butland and Shaq, but Joe Allen...really... 7 to 10 Mill would be my guess...If we sold him at all that is... Behave, League 2 players go for that these days Not 27 year old internationals
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 15:25:48 GMT
Used to say if the Queen stood on top of Broadway she would fall into The Kings Arms. In Meir that is.
It's not the skill level that worries me it's the attitude of the players, the lack of fight.
Get a manager who can turn that negativity into a push for promotion and we could fight our way back in a few seasons after rebuilding some very weak positions in the team , not least our Strike Force.
I expect Peter to stand down if we get relegated and let John take the reins who shows more signs of looking to the future than his Dad does at the moment.
So some room for optimism, not all doom and gloom yet but many things are in the pan stirring and you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs can you?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 15:55:20 GMT
I can see big money coming in for Butland and Shaq, but Joe Allen...really... 7 to 10 Mill would be my guess...If we sold him at all that is... Behave, League 2 players go for that these days Not 27 year old internationals Too hit and miss in my opinion...Really don't put him in the Arnie bracket, and we got 20+ for him.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 18, 2018 15:58:00 GMT
Behave, League 2 players go for that these days Not 27 year old internationals Too hit and miss in my opinion...Really don't put him in the Arnie bracket, and we got 20+ for him. Well, Sullivan claims he offered £25m for Allen 3 weeks ago. That does seem high for him, but I can certainly see high-teens for him without any problem.
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Post by Jimmyg on Feb 18, 2018 17:32:46 GMT
Too hit and miss in my opinion...Really don't put him in the Arnie bracket, and we got 20+ for him. Well, Sullivan claims he offered £25m for Allen 3 weeks ago. That does seem high for him, but I can certainly see high-teens for him without any problem. They could have been taking the piss as they knew we were in no position to sell him even if the offer was made.
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Post by robstokie on Feb 18, 2018 17:34:19 GMT
It could go one of 2 ways - 1 we look to cut the dead wood, bring the kids into the first team picture and get in some decent championship grafters, we consolidate next season and try to push on from there (like Villa) or 2 - we end up with the ageing and uncommitted dead wood still at the club and don't bring in adequate replacements for the likes of Shaq and Allen (Grant is a more than capable goalie at Championship level so im not too worried on that front) and we do what Wolves did a few years ago.
Unfortunately, I can't see us having the balls to blood the kids, rebuild and bring in a vibrant young manager who would breathe some life back into the club. Coates will probably think that the likes of Afellay, Johnson, Fletcher, Adam, Ireland, Wimmer, Imbula and Berahino will boss the championship, even though all the evidence points to that any championship team would bully us, out-run us and pick up on our mistakes.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 18, 2018 18:28:39 GMT
Our natural place in the pecking order is probably top-half/mid-table Championship and that's where we'll probably end up for a while when we go down. , This is exactly what i think - but I still think "if" rather than "when" (for this season at least) - same glass, mine's half full. Fortunately we are run by people who understand the realities of our situation - which means we are far less likely to go the way of Blackburn, Coventry, Portsmouth, Sunderland. However if the club were run along the lines some on here would like us to go we would definitely go that way.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2018 18:30:14 GMT
Our natural place in the pecking order is probably top-half/mid-table Championship and that's where we'll probably end up for a while when we go down. , This is exactly what i think - but I still think "if" rather than "when" (for this season at least) - same glass, mine's half full. Fortunately we are run by people who understand the realities of our situation - which means we are far less likely to go the way of Blackburn, Coventry, Portsmouth, Sunderland. However if the club were run along the lines some on here would like us to go we would definitely go that way. They haven't known the realities of our situation for 3/4 years now!
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