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Post by thegift on Feb 12, 2018 12:04:17 GMT
Really simple....
We have 11 games to go. Everyone has an opinion on how bad stoke are at the moment. The squad is not fit, and won't be as fit as the others in time to do anything about the results.
What would you/could we do in training to try to grind out some results.
You may suggest dropping certain players but its not exactly going to grind results out. If we sit to deep to try and defend we have no outlet. If we push up we are slow and will get countered, especially at Leicester. What on earth can be done to save us? (If any)
Everyone can see the problems but what can we do to fix it in this short amount of time.
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Post by unknown182 on Feb 12, 2018 12:41:42 GMT
*tin hat on*
Have another go at three at the back now that we have two pacey fullbacks.
Butland
Zouma - Shawcross - Pieters
Bauer - Allen - N'Diaye - Stalydj.. Greek lad
Shaqiri - Choupo - Jese
And drop Fletcher from the squad
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Post by tony1234 on Feb 12, 2018 12:46:19 GMT
Just put on another post....
Maximise strengths: Shaq on the ball as much as poss, Energy of Sobhi and N'Diaye, Zouma looks like an articulated lorry. Full backs are better now. We have fresh faces.
Minimise weaknesses: Being overrun in midfield, lack of penetration/guile up front and running out of energy, having no goalscorer.
So,
Butland
RB Bauer, CB ShawX, CB BMI, LB Stafylidis
RMF Sohbi, CM N'Diaye, CM Zouma, LMF Jese
AMF Shaq
CF Diouf
rationale: midfield energy and strength. 2-3 threats to keep the opposition occupied in their own half. And while Diouf is a bit naff, he still gets 1-2 chances a game and makes defenders defend.
The plan is to have three players run their little hearts out for 45-60 mins - Diouf dropping back to MF for instance - and then be replaced between 45-70mins - likely to be
ECM for Jese, Campbell for Diouf, Allen for N'Diaye
Other subs: Grant, Pieters, Cameron, Crouch. Waiting in the wings: Adam, Edwards.
Then, I'd be working on team unity, morale and focus, with a closer-knit bunch:
Just the sight of Beharinho's face must remind everyone of what a mess we are in. I'd pay off, release, send to the Fiji second division on loan... anything. Get rid. Same with Wimmer for now. Not sure what Fletcher is like round the club. If he is a good-egg, then bring into the fold as coach and mentor. But he goes near the kit bag, he gets harpooned.
(I've just been told on the other thread that have players know they will get replaced is "bonkers"... but we are not going to get everyone fit. And we need to use the whole squad)
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Post by thegift on Feb 12, 2018 12:55:12 GMT
Just put on another post.... Maximise strengths: Shaq on the ball as much as poss, Energy of Sobhi and N'Diaye, Zouma looks like an articulated lorry. Full backs are better now. We have fresh faces. Minimise weaknesses: Being overrun in midfield, lack of penetration/guile up front and running out of energy, having no goalscorer. So, Butland RB Bauer, CB ShawX, CB BMI, LB Stafylidis RMF Sohbi, CM N'Diaye, CM Zouma, LMF Jese AMF Shaq CF Diouf rationale: midfield energy and strength. 2-3 threats to keep the opposition occupied in their own half. And while Diouf is a bit naff, he still gets 1-2 chances a game and makes defenders defend. The plan is to have three players run their little hearts out for 45-60 mins - Diouf dropping back to MF for instance - and then be replaced between 45-70mins - likely to be ECM for Jese, Campbell for Diouf, Allen for N'Diaye Other subs: Grant, Pieters, Cameron, Crouch. Waiting in the wings: Adam, Edwards. Then, I'd be working on team unity, morale and focus, with a closer-knit bunch: Just the sight of Beharinho's face must remind everyone of what a mess we are in. I'd pay off, release, send to the Fiji second division on loan... anything. Get rid. Same with Wimmer for now. Not sure what Fletcher is like round the club. If he is a good-egg, then bring into the fold as coach and mentor. But he goes near the kit bag, he gets harpooned. (I've just been told on the other thread that have players know they will get replaced is "bonkers"... but we are not going to get everyone fit. And we need to use the whole squad) Great post. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 12:55:51 GMT
Just put on another post.... Maximise strengths: Shaq on the ball as much as poss, Energy of Sobhi and N'Diaye, Zouma looks like an articulated lorry. Full backs are better now. We have fresh faces. Minimise weaknesses: Being overrun in midfield, lack of penetration/guile up front and running out of energy, having no goalscorer. So, Butland RB Bauer, CB ShawX, CB BMI, LB Stafylidis RMF Sohbi, CM N'Diaye, CM Zouma, LMF Jese AMF Shaq CF Diouf rationale: midfield energy and strength. 2-3 threats to keep the opposition occupied in their own half. And while Diouf is a bit naff, he still gets 1-2 chances a game and makes defenders defend. The plan is to have three players run their little hearts out for 45-60 mins - Diouf dropping back to MF for instance - and then be replaced between 45-70mins - likely to be ECM for Jese, Campbell for Diouf, Allen for N'Diaye Other subs: Grant, Pieters, Cameron, Crouch. Waiting in the wings: Adam, Edwards. Then, I'd be working on team unity, morale and focus, with a closer-knit bunch: Just the sight of Beharinho's face must remind everyone of what a mess we are in. I'd pay off, release, send to the Fiji second division on loan... anything. Get rid. Same with Wimmer for now. Not sure what Fletcher is like round the club. If he is a good-egg, then bring into the fold as coach and mentor. But he goes near the kit bag, he gets harpooned. (I've just been told on the other thread that have players know they will get replaced is "bonkers"... but we are not going to get everyone fit. And we need to use the whole squad) When I saw your username then I thought you were going to offer some radical formation to get us out of this mess.....  |
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Feb 12, 2018 13:02:08 GMT
Bursik
McJannett Da Silva Shawcross Bauer
N'Diaye Allen Cameron
Campbell Diouf Shaq
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Post by tony1234 on Feb 12, 2018 13:06:20 GMT
Just put on another post.... Maximise strengths: Shaq on the ball as much as poss, Energy of Sobhi and N'Diaye, Zouma looks like an articulated lorry. Full backs are better now. We have fresh faces. Minimise weaknesses: Being overrun in midfield, lack of penetration/guile up front and running out of energy, having no goalscorer. So, Butland RB Bauer, CB ShawX, CB BMI, LB Stafylidis RMF Sohbi, CM N'Diaye, CM Zouma, LMF Jese AMF Shaq CF Diouf rationale: midfield energy and strength. 2-3 threats to keep the opposition occupied in their own half. And while Diouf is a bit naff, he still gets 1-2 chances a game and makes defenders defend. The plan is to have three players run their little hearts out for 45-60 mins - Diouf dropping back to MF for instance - and then be replaced between 45-70mins - likely to be ECM for Jese, Campbell for Diouf, Allen for N'Diaye Other subs: Grant, Pieters, Cameron, Crouch. Waiting in the wings: Adam, Edwards. Then, I'd be working on team unity, morale and focus, with a closer-knit bunch: Just the sight of Beharinho's face must remind everyone of what a mess we are in. I'd pay off, release, send to the Fiji second division on loan... anything. Get rid. Same with Wimmer for now. Not sure what Fletcher is like round the club. If he is a good-egg, then bring into the fold as coach and mentor. But he goes near the kit bag, he gets harpooned. (I've just been told on the other thread that have players know they will get replaced is "bonkers"... but we are not going to get everyone fit. And we need to use the whole squad) When I saw your username then I thought you were going to offer some radical formation to get us out of this mess..... Ha! Sorry. At the moment, that said, radical would be "fit" (I thought at first you were referencing the "Tony" bit - another thread entirely to guess what a "Tony" formation would have been like in this situation!) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 14:20:38 GMT
Just put on another post.... Maximise strengths: Shaq on the ball as much as poss, Energy of Sobhi and N'Diaye, Zouma looks like an articulated lorry. Full backs are better now. We have fresh faces. Minimise weaknesses: Being overrun in midfield, lack of penetration/guile up front and running out of energy, having no goalscorer. So, Butland RB Bauer, CB ShawX, CB BMI, LB Stafylidis RMF Sohbi, CM N'Diaye, CM Zouma, LMF Jese AMF Shaq CF Diouf rationale: midfield energy and strength. 2-3 threats to keep the opposition occupied in their own half. And while Diouf is a bit naff, he still gets 1-2 chances a game and makes defenders defend. The plan is to have three players run their little hearts out for 45-60 mins - Diouf dropping back to MF for instance - and then be replaced between 45-70mins - likely to be ECM for Jese, Campbell for Diouf, Allen for N'Diaye Other subs: Grant, Pieters, Cameron, Crouch. Waiting in the wings: Adam, Edwards. Then, I'd be working on team unity, morale and focus, with a closer-knit bunch: Just the sight of Beharinho's face must remind everyone of what a mess we are in. I'd pay off, release, send to the Fiji second division on loan... anything. Get rid. Same with Wimmer for now. Not sure what Fletcher is like round the club. If he is a good-egg, then bring into the fold as coach and mentor. But he goes near the kit bag, he gets harpooned. (I've just been told on the other thread that have players know they will get replaced is "bonkers"... but we are not going to get everyone fit. And we need to use the whole squad) You can't come on here with a good plan and common sense, what are you thinking.^ Can we get Geoff involved in that plan he has good energy in midfield. The rest looks spot on. |
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Post by hotterpotter on Feb 12, 2018 14:28:04 GMT
Just put on another post.... Maximise strengths: Shaq on the ball as much as poss, Energy of Sobhi and N'Diaye, Zouma looks like an articulated lorry. Full backs are better now. We have fresh faces. Minimise weaknesses: Being overrun in midfield, lack of penetration/guile up front and running out of energy, having no goalscorer. So, Butland RB Bauer, CB ShawX, CB BMI, LB Stafylidis RMF Sohbi, CM N'Diaye, CM Zouma, LMF Jese AMF Shaq CF Diouf rationale: midfield energy and strength. 2-3 threats to keep the opposition occupied in their own half. And while Diouf is a bit naff, he still gets 1-2 chances a game and makes defenders defend. The plan is to have three players run their little hearts out for 45-60 mins - Diouf dropping back to MF for instance - and then be replaced between 45-70mins - likely to be ECM for Jese, Campbell for Diouf, Allen for N'Diaye Other subs: Grant, Pieters, Cameron, Crouch. Waiting in the wings: Adam, Edwards. Then, I'd be working on team unity, morale and focus, with a closer-knit bunch: Just the sight of Beharinho's face must remind everyone of what a mess we are in. I'd pay off, release, send to the Fiji second division on loan... anything. Get rid. Same with Wimmer for now. Not sure what Fletcher is like round the club. If he is a good-egg, then bring into the fold as coach and mentor. But he goes near the kit bag, he gets harpooned. (I've just been told on the other thread that have players know they will get replaced is "bonkers"... but we are not going to get everyone fit. And we need to use the whole squad) When I saw your username then I thought you were going to offer some radical formation to get us out of this mess..... 4 up front with Pulis in goal? It could just work you know! |
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Feb 12, 2018 14:31:57 GMT
We can’t play a pressing game, we’re too unfit. Everything has to go through Shaqiri. We have to build a team around him to get the best out of him at number 10. Focus on pace around him from Jesé, Diouf etc. to either give him options or give him space to get anywhere within 25 yards of goal and shoot on sight. Anywhere around the edge of the box and he’ll score a few crucial goals between now and the end of the season. He is the key to our survival.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 14:44:04 GMT
The 343 really isn't the worst idea, but I'm not sure Allen and Badou are good enough as a 2.
433 is pretty much the only option we have now, but the full backs have to give us the width so that Shaq can come further inside.
Then we risk being broken on, but at least we might score.
Butland
Bauer Shawcross Zouma Pieters
Cameron
Allen Badou
Shaqiri ?? ??
1 from Choupo/Jese on the wing and one from Choupo/Jese/Campbell/Saido/Diouf up front.
I honestly haven't got a fucking clue which. Choupo and Diouf is most likely.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 12, 2018 15:04:29 GMT
Butland
Bauer, Shawcross, BMI, Pieters
Ndiaye, Cameron
Allen
Sobhi, Diouf/Crouch, Shaq
Grant
Greek lad
Adam
Afellay
Diouf/Crouch
Zouma
Campbell
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Post by itsallgonepetetone on Feb 12, 2018 15:14:39 GMT
Butland
Bauer - Shawx - BMI - Stafy
Zouma
Allen N’Diaye
Shaq
Chopo. Jesse
Or
Butland
Bauer. Shawx Zouma. Staffs
BMI N’Diaye
Sohbi. Allen. Shaq
Jesse
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 15:19:31 GMT
Butland
Bauer Shawcross Zouma Pieters
Cameron Badou
Diouf Shaqiri Ramadan
Jese
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Post by metalhead on Feb 12, 2018 15:29:31 GMT
Well firstly, Darren would be gone. No, not out of the fucking team, I mean out of the fucking city. Seriously that guy, for me, sums up in human-form everything that is wrong with our club.
I would then look at bringing in a 4-4-2 where we actually try and play 4-4-2 and not one of these modern day namby pamby 4-4-2's which is actually more like 4-5-1.
I would try and give Bera a proper chance. Let's be honest, we're fucked and we're not scoring when he's out the team, so let's give him a chance. I would try and use Crouch, but look at whether both Diouf and Bera could be used together as well.
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Post by Godo on Feb 12, 2018 15:30:17 GMT
I don't like the formation as we haven't a quality ball winner in the squad but with the quality of strikers we have we've got to go 442 and go for 3 pts every game.
Butland
Bauer Zouma Ryan Stafy (cause hopefully he can cross a ball)
Shaq Allen Badu Sobhi
Diouf Berahino (with Crouch and Jese as late impact players 😨)
And God help us if that's the best we can muster....
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Post by tony1234 on Feb 12, 2018 18:16:47 GMT
Just put on another post.... Maximise strengths: Shaq on the ball as much as poss, Energy of Sobhi and N'Diaye, Zouma looks like an articulated lorry. Full backs are better now. We have fresh faces. Minimise weaknesses: Being overrun in midfield, lack of penetration/guile up front and running out of energy, having no goalscorer. So, Butland RB Bauer, CB ShawX, CB BMI, LB Stafylidis RMF Sohbi, CM N'Diaye, CM Zouma, LMF Jese AMF Shaq CF Diouf rationale: midfield energy and strength. 2-3 threats to keep the opposition occupied in their own half. And while Diouf is a bit naff, he still gets 1-2 chances a game and makes defenders defend. The plan is to have three players run their little hearts out for 45-60 mins - Diouf dropping back to MF for instance - and then be replaced between 45-70mins - likely to be ECM for Jese, Campbell for Diouf, Allen for N'Diaye Other subs: Grant, Pieters, Cameron, Crouch. Waiting in the wings: Adam, Edwards. Then, I'd be working on team unity, morale and focus, with a closer-knit bunch: Just the sight of Beharinho's face must remind everyone of what a mess we are in. I'd pay off, release, send to the Fiji second division on loan... anything. Get rid. Same with Wimmer for now. Not sure what Fletcher is like round the club. If he is a good-egg, then bring into the fold as coach and mentor. But he goes near the kit bag, he gets harpooned. (I've just been told on the other thread that have players know they will get replaced is "bonkers"... but we are not going to get everyone fit. And we need to use the whole squad) You can't come on here with a good plan and common sense, what are you thinking.^ Can we get Geoff involved in that plan he has good energy in midfield. The rest looks spot on. Very fitting if GC is involved, yep. Fresh too. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 12, 2018 18:25:01 GMT
I’d resign
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Post by robstokie on Feb 12, 2018 20:51:40 GMT
First thing - I would drop the likes of Johnson, Adam and Berahino completely. I would promote young Tommy back to the bench and give Tyrese Campbell a place on there too.
Training this week would be exclusively fitness-based eg. some shuttle runs, followed by some jogging 1 min/sprinting 1 min concluding with 5 a side matches on a full size pitch. From next week, every Tuesday will be a double fitness session - morning in gym, Afternoon looking to build some sort of match fitness as above.
My team would be as follows...
Butland
Bauer
Ryan
BMI
Staffy for the games against teams in and around us where we need to play on the front foot - Erik for the likes of City/Arsenal where we would just sit back and try to hit them on the break.
NDiaye
Allen
Sobhi
Shaq - I would give the Shaq a free role - he is obviously our best player, and he is at his most effective whenever he cuts inside to a central position, but does leave his full-back exposed a fair bit.
Diouf
Choupo - I would go with Choupo over Crouch as our front man just because Choupo offers a bit more dynacism, particularly if we are looking to hit on the break.
Bench
Grant
Zouma
Edwards
GCam - Fresh legs in midfield to see a match out or to bring an extra body in if we are struggling to find our rhythym.
Jese - bring him on if we are struggling to break down teams
Crouch - bring him on if we are behind/drawing - change to a flat 4-4-2 with wingers and look to whip balls into the 6 yard box
Campbell - bring him on if we are winning - he could hit teams on the counter.
What I would want us to do is to be direct - if theres nothing on coming forward, play percentage balls into the corners or look to run at them, instead of keeping possession for possessions sake and losing all our momentum by passing it back - the worst that can happen is that it goes out for a goal kick, which allows us time to organise ourselves and press them up the pitch. Saturday is a case in point for what I would want to try to get away from.
Defensively, I have gone for Sobhi and Diouf out wide simply because they will track back and support the full backs. I have also gone for NDiaye and Allen through the middle as they both have the legs to get back and win possession, then advance it forward - I would play NDiaye slightly behind Allen just because he has more of a physical presence. If we were struggling to control the midfield, I would bring one of the front 4 off, bring GCam on as an out-and-out shielding midfielder, and push NDiaye forward alongside Allen.
In short, the football wouldn't be pretty, but we would look to either bully or out run teams.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 12, 2018 20:59:30 GMT
Butland
Bauer Shawcross Indi Pieters
Cameron Badou
Diouf Shaqiri Ramadan
Bera
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 21:17:15 GMT
Play Shaq as 10 is the most simple and basic change that needs implementing.
------------Butland
Bauer Shawcross Indi Pieters
--------Cameron Badou
-----Jese Shaqiri Ramadan
--------------Diouf
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Post by exiledpotter on Feb 12, 2018 21:45:56 GMT
I'd try to have three plans ... the Shaqiri focussed one's above for most games; for the games vs Man City, Spurs and Liverpool, I would play 4-4-1 with the other player man marking de Bruyne, and whichever midfielder we think makes Spurs and then Liverpool tick. Good old fashioned disruption and annoyance. (I've done it in hockey and football ... you don't have to be anywhere near as good as the person you are marking, you just have to be disciplined and constantly in the way).
For the Arsenal game I'd pick the most brutish back four we have and the fastest front 6 ... with simple instructions ... shoot on sight at one end ... and tackle on sight everywhere. We might not win but I think we can score an away try.
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Post by stokiekm on Feb 12, 2018 22:01:50 GMT
Not a clue for training but how about give them something to think about when they come onto the pitch by replacing the cringe material 'mighty mighty potters' with something closer to the truth like 'players that don't give a fuck'
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 22:05:37 GMT
If I was PL I would resign because I know I'm not up to you job and that I was chosen as a patsy.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 12, 2018 22:11:06 GMT
Some pretty good formations above. I hope the manager shows such imagination and guts. I would rather die trying than play it safe and go down anyway. We need to be bold.
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Post by exiledpotter on Feb 12, 2018 22:12:18 GMT
If I was PL I would resign because I know I'm not up to you job and that I was chosen as a patsy. If I was PL, I'd do everything in my power to keep us up to remind people that I'm a very good manager; nobody's pasty and not a quitter just because the goings got tough. |
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