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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 11, 2018 20:02:48 GMT
Thats how we have to play imo Clearly there is an understanding between them You have to be brave in the desperate situation we are in Playing crouch or diouf up front is not going to save us Playing this card of desperation might just do the trick That's just made me feel sick!!!
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 11, 2018 20:14:06 GMT
We really must have the worst striker options of any prem club, it's awful not signing a striker in Jan was just mind boggling Absolutely “Bang on”.
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 11, 2018 20:20:38 GMT
I really can't see how it could be any worse than the other options. I think Berahino won more balls in the air than Diouf and links up play better when given a start. Our attack has no focal point whatsoever.
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Post by trentvale68 on Feb 11, 2018 21:17:26 GMT
How did it come to this, it seemed obvious we had possibly the worst forward line in the league??!
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Post by fca47 on Feb 11, 2018 22:33:33 GMT
Jesé , yes, Berahino offers absolutely nothing. Seems to time his runs, so that he doesn't quite make it, don't think he likes playing football.
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Post by tony1234 on Feb 12, 2018 2:21:03 GMT
How about... Positives (admittedly not resounding ones): Jese and Shaq can create things (but Shaq needs more time on the ball), Diouf gets himself a chance a game, Bauer good, Sobhi energy, N'Diaye energy, Zouma Physical Negatives: swamped in MF with Allen, lack of pace/penetration up front, lack of energy, goalscoring Dementers: Fletcher and Beharinho. They are gone in this picture. We'd pick Lambert before these.
Team as below. Players [1], [2], and [3] instructed that they will be replaced after 45, 60 and 70 mins, injuries permitting, so to run like hell to that point to keep energy at max in team. 1 Butland RB Bauer, CB BMI, CB ShawX, LB Stifilidis RMF Sobhi, CM Zouma[3], CM N'Diaye, LMF Jese[1] CAM Shaq CF Diouf[2]
[1] replaced with ECM [2] replaced with Campbell [3] replaced with Cameron (or Allen)
Other subs: Grant, Pieters, Allen, Crouch
Benefits: raised energy, four threats on goal - Diouf, Jese, Shaq and Sobhi. Subs offer options.
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Post by onepara on Feb 12, 2018 2:32:25 GMT
You must be like me, can't sleep for thinking about it. I like your ideas though.
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Post by kiwistokie on Feb 12, 2018 6:40:14 GMT
You need to play to jese's strengths Jese needs a player up front with him with wjom he can play some near 1-2s Can only see him doing it with berahino Hope we dont revert to hoofing it up to crouch ffs For me you have hit the nail on the head, we need 1-2 football up front as the others can't trap or hit a ball 1st time and get shut down while playing with themselves. Doff needs sitting on the bench as he will never be a PL striker or come to that a striker for a Sunday team. A younger player regardless of having no 1st team game needs some 1st team game time and watch the enthusiasm come out as in Edwards as right back.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 7:21:05 GMT
Jesé or Choupo-Moting that is the question? And the answer is Ramadan Sobhi......
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 7:23:35 GMT
Why is Sobhi being overlooked, go a cpl of goals, full of confidence, then dropped like a hot potato.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 7:24:55 GMT
Why is Sobhi being overlooked, go a cpl of goals, full of confidence, then dropped like a hot potato. And the only one prepared to put in the hard yards away to the likes of Bournemouth when the team are on the back foot late in the game. Baffling.....
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Post by pottarius on Feb 12, 2018 7:35:58 GMT
Why is Sobhi being overlooked, go a cpl of goals, full of confidence, then dropped like a hot potato. PL is reminding us that not only LMH can make strange choices
To the OP - no way Saido should even be in the matchday squad I'm thinking it may be time to resurrect the Stokelona false-9 front three as we seem not to have a forward (thanks recruitment team):
Butland
Bauer Shawcross BMI Staffy
Allen Ireland Badou
Sobhi - Shaq - Jese
Let's go in a blaze of attempted glory rather than a whimper!
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 12, 2018 7:54:20 GMT
Why is Sobhi being overlooked, go a cpl of goals, full of confidence, then dropped like a hot potato. PL is reminding us that not only LMH can make strange choices
To the OP - no way Saido should even be in the matchday squad I'm thinking it may be time to resurrect the Stokelona false-9 front three as we seem not to have a forward (thanks recruitment team):
Butland
Bauer Shawcross BMI Staffy
Allen Ireland Badou
Sobhi - Shaq - Jese
Let's go in a blaze of attempted glory rather than a whimper!
This might be an option as well Anything but Crouch or Diouf alone up front
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 12, 2018 7:55:55 GMT
We have tried every "striker"at the club,none of which has worked,so why not give Campbell a go? He will get some experience in the Premiership,before playing in the Championship next season.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 12, 2018 8:00:29 GMT
We don’t have any pairing that works. Not enough time now for them to build an understanding. I’d rather we gave Campbell a chance.
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Post by thegift on Feb 12, 2018 8:54:31 GMT
Thats how we have to play imo Clearly there is an understanding between them You have to be brave in the desperate situation we are in Playing crouch or diouf up front is not going to save us Playing this card of desperation might just do the trick Whilst i want to agree with you, Berahino is a dead beat striker.
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Post by pez75 on Feb 12, 2018 10:54:42 GMT
We need to try something different thats for sure. Adding an extra training session, banning mobile phones but then doing exactly the same as Hughes on the pitch wont work.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Feb 12, 2018 11:01:59 GMT
How about... Positives (admittedly not resounding ones): Jese and Shaq can create things (but Shaq needs more time on the ball), Diouf gets himself a chance a game, Bauer good, Sobhi energy, N'Diaye energy, Zouma Physical Negatives: swamped in MF with Allen, lack of pace/penetration up front, lack of energy, goalscoring Dementers: Fletcher and Beharinho. They are gone in this picture. We'd pick Lambert before these. Team as below. Players [1], [2], and [3] instructed that they will be replaced after 45, 60 and 70 mins, injuries permitting, so to run like hell to that point to keep energy at max in team. 1 Butland RB Bauer, CB BMI, CB ShawX, LB Stifilidis RMF Sobhi, CM Zouma[3], CM N'Diaye, LMF Jese[1] CAM Shaq CF Diouf[2] [1] replaced with ECM [2] replaced with Campbell [3] replaced with Cameron (or Allen) Other subs: Grant, Pieters, Allen, Crouch Benefits: raised energy, four threats on goal - Diouf, Jese, Shaq and Sobhi. Subs offer options. You don't tell players they'll be replaced before a ball is kicked. You see how the game unfolds first of all. Bonkers.
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Post by stantheman on Feb 12, 2018 11:03:56 GMT
Thats how we have to play imo Clearly there is an understanding between them You have to be brave in the desperate situation we are in Playing crouch or diouf up front is not going to save us Playing this card of desperation might just do the trick And how has this clear understanding developed? They've barely played together
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Post by tony1234 on Feb 12, 2018 12:26:57 GMT
How about... Positives (admittedly not resounding ones): Jese and Shaq can create things (but Shaq needs more time on the ball), Diouf gets himself a chance a game, Bauer good, Sobhi energy, N'Diaye energy, Zouma Physical Negatives: swamped in MF with Allen, lack of pace/penetration up front, lack of energy, goalscoring Dementers: Fletcher and Beharinho. They are gone in this picture. We'd pick Lambert before these. Team as below. Players [1], [2], and [3] instructed that they will be replaced after 45, 60 and 70 mins, injuries permitting, so to run like hell to that point to keep energy at max in team. 1 Butland RB Bauer, CB BMI, CB ShawX, LB Stifilidis RMF Sobhi, CM Zouma[3], CM N'Diaye, LMF Jese[1] CAM Shaq CF Diouf[2] [1] replaced with ECM [2] replaced with Campbell [3] replaced with Cameron (or Allen) Other subs: Grant, Pieters, Allen, Crouch Benefits: raised energy, four threats on goal - Diouf, Jese, Shaq and Sobhi. Subs offer options. You don't tell players they'll be replaced before a ball is kicked. You see how the game unfolds first of all. Bonkers. The plan has potentially lots of holes and of course its a gamble, but the reason you give isn't one of them Its a team game. Players need to do what is needed for the team. The equivalent of pace setters in athletics or cycling, pinch-hitters in cricket etc. If Jese, say, is dominating after 50 mins, he stays on, of course he does. But with sports science, i'd expect they can measure pretty much when he will flag. It maximises the km run in the team, because 6 players (3 starters, 3 subs) are aiming to give their all in a shorter window It overcomes the problem where Jese's creativity is desperately needed but he isn't fully fit We inject pace later in the game when we are typically flagging and pinned in our own box It gives everyone a role and so they know it before the game (rather than making it up on the hoof) Absolutely, there is need to adapt. But we have to dictate how the game unfolds and influence at every possible turn.
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Post by Dr Hesham on Feb 12, 2018 12:41:40 GMT
Campbell : 0 Chances Berahino : 100000000 Chances and we still ask to give him more chances
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Post by jimmygscfc on Feb 12, 2018 13:39:30 GMT
You don't tell players they'll be replaced before a ball is kicked. You see how the game unfolds first of all. Bonkers. The plan has potentially lots of holes and of course its a gamble, but the reason you give isn't one of them Its a team game. Players need to do what is needed for the team. The equivalent of pace setters in athletics or cycling, pinch-hitters in cricket etc. If Jese, say, is dominating after 50 mins, he stays on, of course he does. But with sports science, i'd expect they can measure pretty much when he will flag. It maximises the km run in the team, because 6 players (3 starters, 3 subs) are aiming to give their all in a shorter window It overcomes the problem where Jese's creativity is desperately needed but he isn't fully fit We inject pace later in the game when we are typically flagging and pinned in our own box It gives everyone a role and so they know it before the game (rather than making it up on the hoof) Absolutely, there is need to adapt. But we have to dictate how the game unfolds and influence at every possible turn. I know exactly what you mean and the theory is sound, but you don't necessarily have to tell the individual players is all I'm saying. It doesn't motivate at all.
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Post by PotterEd on Feb 12, 2018 14:39:49 GMT
We really must have the worst striker options of any prem club, it's awful not signing a striker in Jan was just mind boggling Agreed. Coupled with that, we've got the worst defender in the league (Wimmer) and the worst midfielder (Fletcher). I honestly haven't seen worse than those two and Berahino anywhere else in the league. What we DO have, though, is a Shaqiri. No-one else near the bottom has anyone with the ability to single-handedly win or save a match like he does. He is our only hope.
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Post by jeycov on Feb 12, 2018 16:05:56 GMT
Not Berahino for me, I’d prefer Choupo Moting and he is struggling Involve Ramadan, Crouch on the bench Campbell an unknown at this level- a calculated risk?
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Post by senojbor on Feb 12, 2018 16:34:54 GMT
Berahino is the worst signing I've ever seen in a Stoke shirt in 45 years of supporting and I've seen some shit. He is a passenger in the side and shouldn't be anywhere near the first team. The OP is stupid beyond belief.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 12, 2018 16:44:30 GMT
Berahino should have taken the penalty.
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Post by redstriper on Feb 12, 2018 17:41:30 GMT
Thats how we have to play imo Clearly there is an understanding between them You have to be brave in the desperate situation we are in Playing crouch or diouf up front is not going to save us Playing this card of desperation might just do the trick You clearly see something different when watching football, last year you told us Sobhi was the new Ronaldo - after one game *. Now your telling us it's these pair, after one game. Both of them can only be considered as toxic to team morale....So I think we'll pass on your "insight". * no slight on sobhi, I like him in the team.
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Post by redstriper on Feb 12, 2018 17:44:06 GMT
Berahino should have taken the penalty. Are you serious ??
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 12, 2018 18:49:16 GMT
I wouldn't play either of them again this season. Berahino because he is washed up and finished as a Premier League footballer and suspect his attitude has filtered into the general demise of the spirit within the squad. Jese because of his disgraceful strop throwing and hissy fit on Saturday. The last thing Adam needed.
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Post by robstokie on Feb 12, 2018 20:27:35 GMT
I thought Jese made an impact Saturday - at least he looked to run with the ball and create something. As for Berahino, he looks shot - no confidence, hes not making those runs in behind which can split defences - hes just looking to touch the ball and get rid of it asap.
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