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Post by felonious on Feb 8, 2018 19:39:15 GMT
The Freemasons have placed full-page advertisements in several national newspapers calling for an end to the "discrimination" against their members.
The United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE) said it welcomes individuals from all walks of life but that members are "undeservedly stigmatised".
It said it had written to the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
Recent news stories questioned the influence of Freemasons in policing and in parliament.
In an advert in the Times, the Daily Telegraph and the Guardian, the governing body of Freemasonry complains of the "gross misrepresentation" of its members.
Under the headline "Enough is enough", chief executive Dr David Staples said the organisation raised more than £33m for good causes last year.
◾The secret ceremonies and rituals of female Freemasons
He said people of any race, faith, age, class or political persuasion were welcome in the 300-year-old organisation.
The United Grand Lodge of England is restricted to men, although separate women-only lodges also exist.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42986319
So who's "undeservedly stigmatised" on here then? 
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 8, 2018 19:57:55 GMT
I wouldnt imagine there are many Masons on here. Bath was built on freemasonry. It’s like an occult 🔨⌛️🔪🗝🔎⚖️
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 8, 2018 20:19:48 GMT
The Freemasons have placed full-page advertisements in several national newspapers calling for an end to the "discrimination" against their members.
The United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE) said it welcomes individuals from all walks of life but that members are "undeservedly stigmatised".
It said it had written to the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
Recent news stories questioned the influence of Freemasons in policing and in parliament.
In an advert in the Times, the Daily Telegraph and the Guardian, the governing body of Freemasonry complains of the "gross misrepresentation" of its members.
Under the headline "Enough is enough", chief executive Dr David Staples said the organisation raised more than £33m for good causes last year.
◾The secret ceremonies and rituals of female Freemasons
He said people of any race, faith, age, class or political persuasion were welcome in the 300-year-old organisation.
The United Grand Lodge of England is restricted to men, although separate women-only lodges also exist.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42986319
So who's "undeservedly stigmatised" on here then?
They can piss right off they wouldn’t let the catholics in for centuries I’ll stick with the pope thanks |
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Post by felonious on Feb 8, 2018 20:24:37 GMT
The Freemasons have placed full-page advertisements in several national newspapers calling for an end to the "discrimination" against their members.
The United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE) said it welcomes individuals from all walks of life but that members are "undeservedly stigmatised".
It said it had written to the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
Recent news stories questioned the influence of Freemasons in policing and in parliament.
In an advert in the Times, the Daily Telegraph and the Guardian, the governing body of Freemasonry complains of the "gross misrepresentation" of its members.
Under the headline "Enough is enough", chief executive Dr David Staples said the organisation raised more than £33m for good causes last year.
◾The secret ceremonies and rituals of female Freemasons
He said people of any race, faith, age, class or political persuasion were welcome in the 300-year-old organisation.
The United Grand Lodge of England is restricted to men, although separate women-only lodges also exist.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42986319
So who's "undeservedly stigmatised" on here then?
They can piss right off they wouldn’t let the catholics in for centuries I’ll stick with the pope thanks So they have got some standards then? |
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 8, 2018 20:51:02 GMT
The Freemasons have placed full-page advertisements in several national newspapers calling for an end to the "discrimination" against their members.
The United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE) said it welcomes individuals from all walks of life but that members are "undeservedly stigmatised".
It said it had written to the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
Recent news stories questioned the influence of Freemasons in policing and in parliament.
In an advert in the Times, the Daily Telegraph and the Guardian, the governing body of Freemasonry complains of the "gross misrepresentation" of its members.
Under the headline "Enough is enough", chief executive Dr David Staples said the organisation raised more than £33m for good causes last year.
◾The secret ceremonies and rituals of female Freemasons
He said people of any race, faith, age, class or political persuasion were welcome in the 300-year-old organisation.
The United Grand Lodge of England is restricted to men, although separate women-only lodges also exist.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42986319
So who's "undeservedly stigmatised" on here then?
They can piss right off they wouldn’t let the catholics in for centuries I’ll stick with the pope thanks They’ve got Opus Dai ✝️ |
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 8, 2018 20:57:12 GMT
They can piss right off they wouldn’t let the catholics in for centuries I’ll stick with the pope thanks They’ve got Opus Dai ✝️ Sush be careful talking like that you could face the Spanish Inquisition |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Feb 8, 2018 21:31:39 GMT
I saw that Grand Lodge guy on Breakfast News this morning and his defence of his organisation was pathetic. And as for his £30M charity claim, well he's got some way to go before he catches up with charity do-gooders like Sir Jimmy Savile.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Feb 8, 2018 22:49:01 GMT
They can piss right off they wouldn’t let the catholics in for centuries I’ll stick with the pope thanks They’ve got Opus Dai ✝️ So they extend the membership to the Welsh?.... |
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Post by thevoid on Feb 8, 2018 23:39:07 GMT
They're not all bad.
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Post by felonious on Feb 9, 2018 7:37:38 GMT
I saw that Grand Lodge guy on Breakfast News this morning and his defence of his organisation was pathetic. And as for his £30M charity claim, well he's got some way to go before he catches up with charity do-gooders like Sir Jimmy Savile. Do we know which Lodge Sir Jimmy was in? |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Feb 9, 2018 8:09:11 GMT
I saw that Grand Lodge guy on Breakfast News this morning and his defence of his organisation was pathetic. And as for his £30M charity claim, well he's got some way to go before he catches up with charity do-gooders like Sir Jimmy Savile. Do we know which Lodge Sir Jimmy was in? I made the Savile connection because of how he used his charity work as a weapon of defense, rather than any specific Mason connection. After a bit of Googling, there's a lot of speculation about Savile being a Mason, but I did not find anything concrete to prove it. The fact that there were plenty of Masons at his funeral suggests that he was, and I doubt that anyone would be surprised to hear that he was a Mason. But the main point is that the Grand Lodge leader has never seen or heard about any specific incident where Masons give each other preferential treatment. So it's all good. |
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Post by felonious on Feb 9, 2018 8:28:41 GMT
Do we know which Lodge Sir Jimmy was in? I make the Savile connection because of how he used his charity work as a weapon of defense, rather than any specific Mason connection. After a bit of Googling, there's a lot of speculation about Savile being a Mason, but I did not find anything concrete to prove it. The fact that there were plenty of Masons at his funeral suggests that he was, and I doubt that anyone would be surprised to hear that he was a Mason. But the main point is that the Grand Lodge leader has never seen or heard about any specific incident where Masons give each other preferential treatment. So it's all good. I only know one person that openly admits to being a Freemason. I used to have a boss many years ago that was in the Freemasons purely to get business from fellow members. I only knew because he suggested that I might join for the same reason. There was never a suggestion to join because of the fantastic charity work that they do. If it was for the charity work surely you'd join the Round Table or a similar organisation and enjoy similar contacts.
I had a friend who I discovered was in the Masons many years back and he wouldn't be drawn on their business. Secrecy just draws suspicion.
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Post by cerebralstokie on Feb 9, 2018 16:32:52 GMT
I have been told that to get promotion in the police force it "helps" if you become a mason, especially if you aspire to the higher ranks. While the police generally do a good job, occasionally there is a "bad egg" and the police are very good at doing cover ups if one of their own transgresses. Often it is the police themselves who investigate complaints and this makes me very suspicious.
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Post by neworleanstokie on Oct 5, 2018 17:29:02 GMT
I just watched "Inside the Freemasons" on Netflix. Tbh I thought is was a bit of a fluff piece as it only showed the positives leaving me to think there has to be some downside to it all! I also thought the whole charity angle was a bit over emphasized. As was the "it's not for networking angle". Really what else are they talking about at the numerous dinners...
Anyway, I'm interested to learn more as both my Grandad and dad were Freemason in one of the N-u-L lodges.
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Post by felonious on Oct 5, 2018 18:06:46 GMT
I just watched "Inside the Freemasons" on Netflix. Tbh I thought is was a bit of a fluff piece as it only showed the positives leaving me to think there has to be some downside to it all! I also thought the whole charity angle was a bit over emphasized. As was the "it's not for networking angle". Really what else are they talking about at the numerous dinners... Anyway, I'm interested to learn more as both my Grandad and dad were Freemason in one of the N-u-L lodges. Was it a dirty family secret that no one ever spoke about? |
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Post by felonious on Oct 5, 2018 18:08:04 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Oct 5, 2018 18:13:35 GMT
I know a mason. He recommended me to join his lodge as it may replicate ‘mess life’ once I left the army.
His lodge was more a social club type place even though the rules of free masons were followed.
I politely declined more due to not having the time than anything else
He’s quite a genuine guy and although he said you always help a fellow mason out it’s not as clandestine as you would think
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Post by felonious on Oct 5, 2018 18:38:07 GMT
I know a mason. He recommended me to join his lodge as it may replicate ‘mess life’ once I left the army. His lodge was more a social club type place even though the rules of free masons were followed. I politely declined more due to not having the time than anything else He’s quite a genuine guy and although he said you always help a fellow mason out it’s not as clandestine as you would think What's his handshake like? |
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Post by salopstick on Oct 5, 2018 19:33:51 GMT
I know a mason. He recommended me to join his lodge as it may replicate ‘mess life’ once I left the army. His lodge was more a social club type place even though the rules of free masons were followed. I politely declined more due to not having the time than anything else He’s quite a genuine guy and although he said you always help a fellow mason out it’s not as clandestine as you would think What's his handshake like? normal |
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Post by neworleanstokie on Oct 5, 2018 20:21:48 GMT
I just watched "Inside the Freemasons" on Netflix. Tbh I thought is was a bit of a fluff piece as it only showed the positives leaving me to think there has to be some downside to it all! I also thought the whole charity angle was a bit over emphasized. As was the "it's not for networking angle". Really what else are they talking about at the numerous dinners... Anyway, I'm interested to learn more as both my Grandad and dad were Freemason in one of the N-u-L lodges. Was it a dirty family secret that no one ever spoke about? Definitely not a secret as my grandad was always at those dinners but we never discussed what it was all about. He died when I was 16 and I do remember one of the Freemason's being at the house following the funeral, presumably to pick up the suitcase! My dad died when i was 3 so I didn't have a chance to talk to him about it. Is it all a big pyramid scheme (no pun intended).? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 20:28:44 GMT
Always find that the people who know the most about Freemasonary are the people that have never been a member.
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 5, 2018 20:57:42 GMT
I have been told that to get promotion in the police force it "helps" if you become a mason, especially if you aspire to the higher ranks. While the police generally do a good job, occasionally there is a "bad egg" and the police are very good at doing cover ups if one of their own transgresses. Often it is the police themselves who investigate complaints and this makes me very suspicious. The match commander (Duckenfield) at Hillsborough was a Freemason and we all know the attempted cover up following that tragedy. Not saying it's linked or owt  |
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Post by felonious on Oct 6, 2018 7:11:02 GMT
Was it a dirty family secret that no one ever spoke about? Definitely not a secret as my grandad was always at those dinners but we never discussed what it was all about. He died when I was 16 and I do remember one of the Freemason's being at the house following the funeral, presumably to pick up the suitcase! My dad died when i was 3 so I didn't have a chance to talk to him about it. Is it all a big pyramid scheme (no pun intended).? I'm sorry to hear about your dad passing when you were so young. My understanding is that it is surrounded by secrecy with rather silly initiation ceremonies and all a bit blokey. The charity angle is dubious for me because the Round Table do charitable works but you see members proudly wearing badges and raising money for good causes in high profile events such as Santa sleighs going around the villages at Christmas. The Freemasons have an association with the police and the professions, law, accountancy, business, etc but no one is open in public about this and there is a suggestion that everyone in the club is there to look after each other.
I was being a little mischievous in my OP however there will be Freemasons on here but none of them are likely to admit to it. I have only come across one friend who is open with me about being a Freemason and I think it was because he made an initial assumption that I might be in a lodge.
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Post by felonious on Oct 6, 2018 7:11:34 GMT
What's his handshake like? normal Oh so you've joined then. |
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Post by felonious on Oct 6, 2018 7:13:11 GMT
Always find that the people who know the most about Freemasonary are the people that have never been a member. Interesting Shangs tell us more |
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 6, 2018 7:18:20 GMT
Always find that the people who know the most about Freemasonary are the people that have never been a member. You don't suppose the lower ranks knew what the top brass knew... |
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Post by felonious on Oct 6, 2018 7:21:29 GMT
Always find that the people who know the most about Freemasonary are the people that have never been a member. You don't suppose the lower ranks knew what the top brass knew... Are you referring to the foot soldiers or Constables as I believe they are referred to in Freemasonry terms. |
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 6, 2018 8:57:15 GMT
You don't suppose the lower ranks knew what the top brass knew... Are you referring to the foot soldiers or Constables as I believe they are referred to in Freemasonry terms. My father was a Freemason & I have no idea what you are talking about... |
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Post by marwood on Oct 6, 2018 9:33:57 GMT
I had an offer to join the masons some years ago and I declined
To be fair the extent of my knowledge of the masons is mainly from an interest in The Whitechapel murders of 1888 /1889. I read the Stephen Knight inside story of how there was a Freemason cover up many years ago.
Bruce Robinson is one of my favourite film makers of all time, and he's recently published a book exposing the masons, which took him 15 years of research, it's a heavy tome but I'm due to start it soon
I've had a much more recent offer to join the Rotarians and will probably go for that - charity, networking but without any of the secrecy
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 6, 2018 9:34:21 GMT
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