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Post by thegift on Feb 7, 2018 23:29:23 GMT
This isn't a dig at stoke players, its a generalised question upon players of the premier league. After the game, when its a win/loss/draw, do you actually think the players have any emotion at all? When we are all fuming after a defeat and vent our frustration elsewhere, do you think it goes straight over the players heads or some actually care?
If you look at stoke (example), I can imagine the likes of your dicko's, wicko's, sobhi's, allen's, and them type of players it would affect on the journey home, & when sat in front of the TV.
What about the likes of Shaq, Choupo and the more 'higher paid elite?' Is it just a job to them? Take their cash and go home?
Is it because we've been a stable prem club for so long the players assume were too good to go down?
You can imagine your brightons, Huddesfields and newly promoted teams have more players that care rather than more than don't?
Although i can't really work out if anyone cares anymore and they just take the money and go home?
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Post by Gods on Feb 7, 2018 23:52:58 GMT
It's the way now across all sport.
Federer and Djokovic warmly embrace and sing one another's praises after trading punches across the net for 4 and a half hours in the suffocating heat, in the old days Connors and McEnroe would do no more than perform the perfunctory handshake the rules demand and were barely able to speak to one another beyond trading a few insults.
I think the players sponsorship deals are involved somewhere in this new found display of false bonhomie.
Simplistically, behave like a sore losing twat and Adidas, Nike and just about anyone else won't some calling any time soon !
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Post by professorplump on Feb 8, 2018 0:03:31 GMT
I think most players care a lot more than people think. If they are purely money motivated then they are losing out on win bonuses.
Fans will always care more than players because some may have been supporting their club for 50 years or more and it is a major part of their life. But you don't get to be a top level player without having a competitive nature. They want to win if only to further their own reputations. You might get the odd rotten apple but I would say 95% of players do care.
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Post by chad on Feb 8, 2018 0:04:26 GMT
The days when players like Pej and Smithy etc gave a dam are long gone. The days when players cared about their home town club are long gone There’s still a few who have an attachment. I genuinely think Ryan loves the club. But in general it’s a wage. A very good wage and most of them know of it goes tits up they’ll get the same wage somewhere else
It’s s shame a real shame but that’s what the Premier League as created.
I used to LOVE football. I used to love Stoke City and the players who pulled on the shirt
Now Mainly I like them It’s not the same.
I think you could probably say the same for any supporters of PL clubs
Somewhere along the way it all went wrong for the GENUINE supporter the players became far to remote from the guys on the terraces
Half and half scarves. Prawn sandwiches. Players on £250k a week
Wish we could back to the Football League where players earned a good salary but not a ridiculous one. But we can’t. Sad
Rant over. ( I am a bit pissed)
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Post by Sfance on Feb 8, 2018 0:42:58 GMT
A classic case of money is the root of all evil. It's pretty hard to imagine most of the team are in any way bothered by losing. If they were, presumably, they'd try harder not to.
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Post by nsd on Feb 8, 2018 8:07:14 GMT
They're professional athletes. They've spent their whole lives competing, you can't just turn off that nature. Of course they care.
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Post by stokienorthants on Feb 8, 2018 8:17:31 GMT
A classic case of money is the root of all evil. It's pretty hard to imagine most of the team are in any way bothered by losing. If they were, presumably, they'd try harder not to. Actually it is the love of money that is the root of all evil. See Me. |
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Post by kristoff on Feb 8, 2018 8:52:53 GMT
Not wanting to lose is a bit different than hating to lose. I believe there are players that will do anything to win, but it seems far more likely that players want to cheat and scam rather that sweat and bleed to.
As for Federer and Djokovic, I suspect that’s more PC than anything now. Look at something like F1, as soon as any bile comes out they pounce on it like nobody’s business. Too many people complaining ning whenever emotion is shown nowadays.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Feb 8, 2018 8:55:42 GMT
I think they all care, but in varying degrees of caring.
Certain players will be genuinely gutted, whilst others will see it as an unwelcome episode in their careers, particularly the ones who have uprooted their family from distant shores to come here.
Let’s face it, no one in the squad would have chosen relegation which at the very least would cause a major disruption to their family lives.
I don’t subscribe either to the ‘not trying’ accusation. Of course they all try but as we all know it was the misguided leadership from the coaching staff that truly threw the spanner in the works.
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Post by shangamuzo on Feb 8, 2018 10:46:58 GMT
Strong emotions all around if Swansea send Stoke down in the final match methinks.
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Post by potterblade on Feb 8, 2018 10:51:37 GMT
Question is how much do the players really identify with the club and the supporters. For most of them the answer is not much. Stoke is somewhere they are passing through to earn a buck and will never be anything more to them. Professional pride hopefully kicks in for 90mins at a time but beyond that they don't give a fuck. There are exceptions of course, but it's clear to see from plenty of our players, particularly some of the better paid ones that SCFC means nothing to them. They know they are overpaid win lose or draw so I think twats like Berahino are more likely to laugh about it when we lose. If you think he for one gives a flying fuck you're deluded. And this attitude is inevitable with the contracts we give out. Wage caps will never work but contract caps is a great idea. Make it 1 year at a time, earn your crust or fuck off
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 8, 2018 11:02:44 GMT
Question is how much do the players really identify with the club and the supporters. For most of them the answer is not much. Stoke is somewhere they are passing through to earn a buck and will never be anything more to them. Professional pride hopefully kicks in for 90mins at a time but beyond that they don't give a fuck. There are exceptions of course, but it's clear to see from plenty of our players, particularly some of the better paid ones that SCFC means nothing to them. They know they are overpaid win lose or draw so I think twats like Berahino are more likely to laugh about it when we lose. If you think he for one gives a flying fuck you're deluded. And this attitude is inevitable with the contracts we give out. Wage caps will never work but contract caps is a great idea. Make it 1 year at a time, earn your crust or fuck off Welcome to modern football. Name me a club where that doesn't apply? It's like that right the way down pretty much. |
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Post by potterblade on Feb 8, 2018 11:10:32 GMT
Question is how much do the players really identify with the club and the supporters. For most of them the answer is not much. Stoke is somewhere they are passing through to earn a buck and will never be anything more to them. Professional pride hopefully kicks in for 90mins at a time but beyond that they don't give a fuck. There are exceptions of course, but it's clear to see from plenty of our players, particularly some of the better paid ones that SCFC means nothing to them. They know they are overpaid win lose or draw so I think twats like Berahino are more likely to laugh about it when we lose. If you think he for one gives a flying fuck you're deluded. And this attitude is inevitable with the contracts we give out. Wage caps will never work but contract caps is a great idea. Make it 1 year at a time, earn your crust or fuck off Welcome to modern football. Name me a club where that doesn't apply? It's like that right the way down pretty much. You can only hope to tap into that professional pride that they all players must have (or have had) to make it to a professional level. The club needs to be well run at all levels for that to happen consistently and the supporters play a big role too. Its a cliche but it's down to team spirit. Leicester showed what can happen when everyone pulls in the same direction. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 8, 2018 11:18:19 GMT
Welcome to modern football. Name me a club where that doesn't apply? It's like that right the way down pretty much. You can only hope to tap into that professional pride that they all players must have (or have had) to make it to a professional level. The club needs to be well run at all levels for that to happen consistently and the supporters play a big role too. Its a cliche but it's down to team spirit. Leicester showed what can happen when everyone pulls in the same direction. That's not the same as what you were saying about feeling stuff for the club though. The first chance they got several of their big players moved on. They're hardly Leicester til they die. That's football. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 11:30:09 GMT
The problem is that they earn a fortune without win bonuses. For many there's little incentive as after a few seasons they're financially safe.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 11:34:12 GMT
If I was a pro on stoke books and saw the club showing what looks low ambition, but still talking the talk, I’d be saying all the right things but turning up to each game to give 100% would be a struggle, knowing it’s all really fake
On the whole We all, players and supporters are saying we can do this....Subconsciously (we) I May have already conceded defeat
For me the owners created this when they hired lambert
A big statement was needed to boost fans and players
Yet it looks more like the club prepared for the championship with this appointment
Don’t get me wrong it’s not lamberts fault...I’ll support him to the end....but if I’m honest I’m already looking at the competition in the championship
This week I’ve swayed from I feel a win coming this Saturday to nah, we’ll panick and fuck it up again
Here’s hoping the players have bigger bollocks than me 😬 🙏🏾
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Feb 8, 2018 11:35:09 GMT
They've all got professional pride, nobody goes out to perform badly - why would you?
Obviously, they won't be as affected as us, because we're fan's and we live and breathe the club - but they will care.
You don't get to the level they're playing at without having that competitive nature.
Also, there are financial benefits for them to stay in the league, so you can bet your bottom dollar they'll be trying to keep us in this league.
Otherwise, we'd have never been promoted, how many of the players who brought us up had a deep affinity with the club? Dicko? Wilko? And some of the longer serving players?
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Post by potterblade on Feb 8, 2018 11:35:28 GMT
You can only hope to tap into that professional pride that they all players must have (or have had) to make it to a professional level. The club needs to be well run at all levels for that to happen consistently and the supporters play a big role too. Its a cliche but it's down to team spirit. Leicester showed what can happen when everyone pulls in the same direction. That's not the same as what you were saying about feeling stuff for the club though. The first chance they got several of their big players moved on. They're hardly Leicester til they die. That's football. What?! How is team spirit not the same as feeling stuff for the club? You asked me to name a club and I did. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 8, 2018 11:37:24 GMT
That's not the same as what you were saying about feeling stuff for the club though. The first chance they got several of their big players moved on. They're hardly Leicester til they die. That's football. What?! How is team spirit not the same as feeling stuff for the club? You asked me to name a club and I did. It's not the same as 'feeling for the club and really identifying with its supporters', which is what you were on about. It's a job to them. Even the good ones. |
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Post by potterblade on Feb 8, 2018 11:44:41 GMT
What?! How is team spirit not the same as feeling stuff for the club? You asked me to name a club and I did. It's not the same as 'feeling for the club and really identifying with its supporters', which is what you were on about. It's a job to them. Even the good ones. I'm saying Leicester could not have achieved what they did without feeling like it meant something to be a Leicester player. It helped they went through the relegation scare then survival the previous season. Not sure where you're coming from tbh |
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Post by thegift on Feb 8, 2018 11:49:15 GMT
It's not the same as 'feeling for the club and really identifying with its supporters', which is what you were on about. It's a job to them. Even the good ones. I'm saying Leicester could not have achieved what they did without feeling like it meant something to be a Leicester player. It helped they went through the relegation scare then survival the previous season. Not sure where you're coming from tbh Got to agree here. They went out and played for each other, not for themselves. The team morale and bonding must of been sky high. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 8, 2018 11:52:23 GMT
It's not the same as 'feeling for the club and really identifying with its supporters', which is what you were on about. It's a job to them. Even the good ones. I'm saying Leicester could not have achieved what they did without feeling like it meant something to be a Leicester player. It helped they went through the relegation scare then survival the previous season. Not sure where you're coming from tbh N'golo Kante wasn't involved in the relegation scare. Neither was Okazaki. Neither was Fuchs. They signed that summer. Kante and Drinkwater felt so strongly for the club that they left the second a big club came in for them. Mahrez, who was PFA Player of the Year that season, cared so much that he went AWOL because he couldn't get his big move. I'm sure they enjoy the club and respect their fans while they're there, but they're not doing it for the love of the badge or the fans. They're doing it because they're professionals who want to achieve as much as they possibly can from the game. They're not crying God for Gary, Richard III and Walkers Crisps. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 8, 2018 11:53:38 GMT
Question is how much do the players really identify with the club and the supporters. For most of them the answer is not much. Stoke is somewhere they are passing through to earn a buck and will never be anything more to them. Professional pride hopefully kicks in for 90mins at a time but beyond that they don't give a fuck. There are exceptions of course, but it's clear to see from plenty of our players, particularly some of the better paid ones that SCFC means nothing to them. They know they are overpaid win lose or draw so I think twats like Berahino are more likely to laugh about it when we lose. If you think he for one gives a flying fuck you're deluded. And this attitude is inevitable with the contracts we give out. Wage caps will never work but contract caps is a great idea. Make it 1 year at a time, earn your crust or fuck off This bit wasn't any more true of Leicester winning the league than it is of us now. |
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Post by potterblade on Feb 8, 2018 12:05:28 GMT
Question is how much do the players really identify with the club and the supporters. For most of them the answer is not much. Stoke is somewhere they are passing through to earn a buck and will never be anything more to them. Professional pride hopefully kicks in for 90mins at a time but beyond that they don't give a fuck. There are exceptions of course, but it's clear to see from plenty of our players, particularly some of the better paid ones that SCFC means nothing to them. They know they are overpaid win lose or draw so I think twats like Berahino are more likely to laugh about it when we lose. If you think he for one gives a flying fuck you're deluded. And this attitude is inevitable with the contracts we give out. Wage caps will never work but contract caps is a great idea. Make it 1 year at a time, earn your crust or fuck off This bit wasn't any more true of Leicester winning the league than it is of us now. Fine I've put my case forward your honour, can't be arsed arguing for the sake of it. |
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 8, 2018 12:08:56 GMT
They've all got professional pride, nobody goes out to perform badly - why would you? Obviously, they won't be as affected as us, because we're fan's and we live and breathe the club - but they will care. You don't get to the level they're playing at without having that competitive nature. Also, there are financial benefits for them to stay in the league, so you can bet your bottom dollar they'll be trying to keep us in this league. Otherwise, we'd have never been promoted, how many of the players who brought us up had a deep affinity with the club? Dicko? Wilko? And some of the longer serving players? I was thinking pretty much the same. Professional sportsmen are ultra competitive type personalities and they won't like losing that's for sure. They will experience emotions connected to the team's performances and their psychology and the emotions they feel as a result will matter to them. |
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Post by scfc75 on Feb 8, 2018 12:17:28 GMT
It's not the same as 'feeling for the club and really identifying with its supporters', which is what you were on about. It's a job to them. Even the good ones. I'm saying Leicester could not have achieved what they did without feeling like it meant something to be a Leicester player. It helped they went through the relegation scare then survival the previous season. Not sure where you're coming from tbh Those same players were abjectly shit the following season too. If it was 'being a Leicester player' and their love for the club that motivated them to win the league, then you can only conclude that being a Leicester player only meant something to them from April 2015 to May 2016. |
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Post by Sfance on Feb 8, 2018 12:50:59 GMT
If they cared at all, they wouldn’t run out of steam after 60 minutes. As hopeless a manager as Hughes was, if our current lot are so hyper competitive how come they don’t know enough to keep themselves fit without being told to? No, there’s no caring there at all. And if they pretend to, it’s all crocodile tears.
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Post by potterblade on Feb 8, 2018 12:54:02 GMT
I'm saying Leicester could not have achieved what they did without feeling like it meant something to be a Leicester player. It helped they went through the relegation scare then survival the previous season. Not sure where you're coming from tbh Those same players were abjectly shit the following season too. If it was 'being a Leicester player' and their love for the club that motivated them to win the league, then you can only conclude that being a Leicester player only meant something to them from April 2015 to May 2016. Pretty much yeah. |
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Post by kjpt140v on Feb 8, 2018 12:59:17 GMT
The days when players like Pej and Smithy etc gave a dam are long gone. The days when players cared about their home town club are long gone There’s still a few who have an attachment. I genuinely think Ryan loves the club. But in general it’s a wage. A very good wage and most of them know of it goes tits up they’ll get the same wage somewhere else It’s s shame a real shame but that’s what the Premier League as created. I used to LOVE football. I used to love Stoke City and the players who pulled on the shirt Now Mainly I like them It’s not the same. I think you could probably say the same for any supporters of PL clubs Somewhere along the way it all went wrong for the GENUINE supporter the players became far to remote from the guys on the terraces Half and half scarves. Prawn sandwiches. Players on £250k a week Wish we could back to the Football League where players earned a good salary but not a ridiculous one. But we can’t. Sad Rant over. ( I am a bit pissed) Who buys half and half scarves? I can imagine tourists, maybe young kids at their first game or even regulars at cup finals (even then I wouldn’t wear it) but not hardcore regular fans, surely. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 13:13:49 GMT
Of course they care they care about the next pay day and nowt else.
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