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Post by johnnysoul60 on Feb 4, 2018 16:59:15 GMT
Should.in theory be a front three that could keep us up .
Is there any way to get them to click as a unit ?
Struggling to see how we survive if not with the games we have.
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Post by Davef on Feb 4, 2018 17:04:04 GMT
What is this obsession with Berahino?
As a club we find goals extremely difficult to come by, yet some think the answer is to include a player who not only hasn't scored for two years, but doesn't look like he's going to get another one in the next two years!
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Post by sutekh on Feb 4, 2018 17:07:21 GMT
What is this obsession with Berahino? As a club we find goals extremely difficult to come by, yet some think the answer is to include a player who not only hasn't scored for two years, but doesn't look like he's going to get another one in the next two years! We need the pace and mobility that crouch brings to the table not berahino. |
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Post by Davef on Feb 4, 2018 17:09:53 GMT
What is this obsession with Berahino? As a club we find goals extremely difficult to come by, yet some think the answer is to include a player who not only hasn't scored for two years, but doesn't look like he's going to get another one in the next two years! We need the pace and mobility that crouch brings to the table not berahino. Take the piss all you like, who's more likely to get us a goal? |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 4, 2018 17:10:35 GMT
What about this Ryan Shawcross lad? Wonder if Lambo's thinking of a permanent move up front for him for the remainder.  |
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Post by capto on Feb 4, 2018 17:12:10 GMT
Berahino is unfortunately a flop - his body language on the pitch says it all - he's not interested.
Jese has had limited chances - he has shown a bit - if he's hungry ok - if he's not, he's another Hughes flop.yway he's our one
Shaq - has all the skills - but makes too many mistakes / unforced errors - can't make my mind up if it's his attitude - or the other players are not on the same wavelength - anyway he's our one talent & so we have to stick with him & get the rest of the team to work with him.
Dear Brexshits,
“I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you.”
Love,
Friedrich Nietzsche
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Post by mickmacc on Feb 4, 2018 17:22:04 GMT
We need the pace and mobility that crouch brings to the table not berahino. Take the piss all you like, who's more likely to get us a goal? Crouch |
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Post by mickmacc on Feb 4, 2018 17:22:43 GMT
Should.in theory be a front three that could keep us up . Is there any way to get them to click as a unit ? Struggling to see how we survive if not with the games we have. And that is the front three for relegation right there |
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Post by skelman on Feb 4, 2018 17:23:35 GMT
What is this obsession with Berahino? As a club we find goals extremely difficult to come by, yet some think the answer is to include a player who not only hasn't scored for two years, but doesn't look like he's going to get another one in the next two years! Dunno whether he can do it or not Dave Lambert says he's good in training, knows how to bang then in but has to get fitter. Mame is just so wasteful Crouchie works hard but his inclusion from the start signals a pretty one dimensional approach Choupo could offer even more if played more centrally up top and perhaps paired with Berahino I would play Ramadan, Allen, Ndiaye, Shaq across the middle with Choupo and Berahino up front then ring the changes with Adam, Ireland, Crouch & Diouf depending on time and situation |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 4, 2018 17:34:37 GMT
What is this obsession with Berahino? As a club we find goals extremely difficult to come by, yet some think the answer is to include a player who not only hasn't scored for two years, but doesn't look like he's going to get another one in the next two years! Dunno whether he can do it or not Dave Lambert says he's good in training, knows how to bang then in but has to get fitter. Mame is just so wasteful Crouchie works hard but his inclusion from the start signals a pretty one dimensional approach Choupo could offer even more if played more centrally up top and perhaps paired with Berahino I would play Ramadan, Allen, Ndiaye, Shaq across the middle with Choupo and Berahino up front then ring the changes with Adam, Ireland, Crouch & Diouf depending on time and situation Jesus Christ. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 17:54:33 GMT
Shaq - has all the skills - but makes too many mistakes / unforced errors - can't make my mind up if it's his attitude - or the other players are not on the same wavelength - anyway he's our one talent & so we have to stick with him & get the rest of the team to work with him. I wouldn't say his attitude is bad as such, he's a decent person. But all his life he has played for top clubs, and for his country he's their only superstar, but he has never had to fight against relegation before, and he simply doesn't have the know how as to what is needed in terms of effort and way of applying himself. He's more into trying tricky things than making clearences, more into dribling in the middle of the park than getting stuck in and doing safe things. He's an artist among artisans (or worse), but at the moment we need for him to be playing for the team all the time, not just moments of brilliance. He was subbed on a few occasions by Hughes, not a popular move among fans and certainly with Shaq himself, but I think Hughes was making a point which was right. |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Feb 4, 2018 22:18:34 GMT
No obsession, clutching at straws really in desperation given our failure to add a forward in the Jan window.. He has done it as has Jese and I fear for us unless we can somehow get a tune from at least one of them we will go down.
Crouch is great but just a sub impact these days and Mama Diouf will run all day but not sure he can unlock a defence .
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 5, 2018 2:21:59 GMT
What is this obsession with Berahino? As a club we find goals extremely difficult to come by, yet some think the answer is to include a player who not only hasn't scored for two years, but doesn't look like he's going to get another one in the next two years! If only we could create. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 5, 2018 2:23:32 GMT
Berahino is unfortunately a flop - his body language on the pitch says it all - he's not interested. Jese has had limited chances - he has shown a bit - if he's hungry ok - if he's not, he's another Hughes flop.yway he's our one Shaq - has all the skills - but makes too many mistakes / unforced errors - can't make my mind up if it's his attitude - or the other players are not on the same wavelength - anyway he's our one talent & so we have to stick with him & get the rest of the team to work with him. Dear Brexshits, “I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you.” Love, Friedrich Nietzsche He was interested against Chelsea, played well, made some good runs, held the ball up and was rewarded with getting dropped, he should be given another chance. |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 5, 2018 2:29:48 GMT
What is this obsession with Berahino? As a club we find goals extremely difficult to come by, yet some think the answer is to include a player who not only hasn't scored for two years, but doesn't look like he's going to get another one in the next two years! I can't believe that there's some people that STILL persist with having Berahino up front, and think he'll all of a sudden become some sort of saviour!!! He might help himself if he actually got into scoring positions, but he never seems to be there when the ball is in or around the box!!! |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 5, 2018 2:38:39 GMT
What is this obsession with Berahino? As a club we find goals extremely difficult to come by, yet some think the answer is to include a player who not only hasn't scored for two years, but doesn't look like he's going to get another one in the next two years! Dunno whether he can do it or not Dave Lambert says he's good in training, knows how to bang then in but has to get fitter. Mame is just so wasteful Crouchie works hard but his inclusion from the start signals a pretty one dimensional approach Choupo could offer even more if played more centrally up top and perhaps paired with Berahino I would play Ramadan, Allen, Ndiaye, Shaq across the middle with Choupo and Berahino up front then ring the changes with Adam, Ireland, Crouch & Diouf depending on time and situation Both Crouch and Diouf are better goal scorers, there's no way Berahino should get in the team in front of those two... Unless things change, at the moment, I just can't see that happening!!! |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 5, 2018 3:08:57 GMT
What is this obsession with Berahino? As a club we find goals extremely difficult to come by, yet some think the answer is to include a player who not only hasn't scored for two years, but doesn't look like he's going to get another one in the next two years! I can't believe that there's some people that STILL persist with having Berahino up front, and think he'll all of a sudden become some sort of saviour!!! He might help himself if he actually got into scoring positions, but he never seems to be there when the ball is in or around the box!!! No one played him the ball!! |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 5, 2018 6:27:48 GMT
I can't believe that there's some people that STILL persist with having Berahino up front, and think he'll all of a sudden become some sort of saviour!!! He might help himself if he actually got into scoring positions, but he never seems to be there when the ball is in or around the box!!! No one played him the ball!! That's cuz no one thinks he'll score!!!  |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Feb 5, 2018 9:47:41 GMT
Somehow we need to create and take more chances . I thought Ireland improved us at United but Lambert hasn't used him . I've not felt less confident in a group of players for a long time .
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Post by mickmacc on Feb 5, 2018 9:56:44 GMT
Berahino is unfortunately a flop - his body language on the pitch says it all - he's not interested. Jese has had limited chances - he has shown a bit - if he's hungry ok - if he's not, he's another Hughes flop.yway he's our one Shaq - has all the skills - but makes too many mistakes / unforced errors - can't make my mind up if it's his attitude - or the other players are not on the same wavelength - anyway he's our one talent & so we have to stick with him & get the rest of the team to work with him. Dear Brexshits, “I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you.” Love, Friedrich Nietzsche He was interested against Chelsea, played well, made some good runs, held the ball up and was rewarded with getting dropped, he should be given another chance. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 5, 2018 10:01:43 GMT
Lambert still raising Berahino's fitness as an issue
"He needs to get a little bit fitter"
It's like we've gone back 12 months.
He's had no significant injuries, so what the hell is going on? He's had a full year of uninterrupted training
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 10:07:15 GMT
No time to fuck about with Berahino up front, just play Diouf and accept that he will miss the odd sitter, but will get into goal scoring opportunities and at least give the opposition defence something to think about. Give him 12 games up front and he’ll probably score you 5 goals....
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Post by ohbottom on Feb 5, 2018 10:10:34 GMT
I can't believe that there's some people that STILL persist with having Berahino up front, and think he'll all of a sudden become some sort of saviour!!! He might help himself if he actually got into scoring positions, but he never seems to be there when the ball is in or around the box!!! No one played him the ball!! I have a memory (possibly false) that earlier in the season for a part of a game or two Diouf was on the right and Bera in the middle. And whenever the ball came in from the left it was Diouf making the move to a potential scoring position with Bera nowhere near. He (Diouf) fluffed his header, mind. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Feb 5, 2018 11:25:06 GMT
NO MORE BERAHINO
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 12:39:43 GMT
Should he be getting more or less hookers to improve his fitness?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 12:47:28 GMT
If we're playing Saido it has to be with creative players behind him and close to him.
4231 or 343 are the only formations that allow that.
Unfortunately I don't think N'diaye and Allen are disciplined enough to both play in a 2. One of them would need to be dropped, and they're both very important.
The 4231 would have to be:
Butland
Bauer Shawcross Indi Pieters
Cameron [Allen/Ndiaye]
Shaqiri Jese Choupo
Saido
The 343 could be a good option but we'd have to fix the issue with balls in over the defenders that we had earlier in the season.
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Post by karl on Feb 5, 2018 12:50:22 GMT
Why don't we play Berahino and Jese in Pl2 for the next international break to get them match fit? Does the club give the strikers shooting practice as well as training?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 5, 2018 13:07:13 GMT
No time to fuck about with Berahino up front, just play Diouf and accept that he will miss the odd sitter, but will get into goal scoring opportunities and at least give the opposition defence something to think about. Give him 12 games up front and he’ll probably score you 5 goals.... It really is that simple. That's where we're at. |
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Post by kustokie on Feb 5, 2018 13:17:29 GMT
We need the pace and mobility that crouch brings to the table not berahino. Take the piss all you like, who's more likely to get us a goal? I can’t recall when Crouch last scored as a starter. He’s only useful coming off the bench. For all his faults, the only viable striker is Diouf. Lambert figured this out and started him against Huddesfield and then mysteriously did a passable Hughes impression and dropped him to the bench in favor of Crouch. |
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 5, 2018 13:48:00 GMT
No time for sentimental nonsense right now. Saido looks nowhere near being the striker we need to save us from relegation.
The best option we have is Diouf - not ideal, but the best we have. If fit, he has to start every game for the rest of the season.
If Jese gets fit and shows up well in training, he may be worth minutes off the bench to give us a different option.
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