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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 3, 2018 19:46:43 GMT
Isn't sending out an unfit team to press hard and fast and hit the wall after 45 minutes pretty shitty management? Davejonno1 - You are talking so much crap tonight, I always agreed with your posts, but for you not to see how much the team have improved with regards to pressing and taking the game to the opponents in such a short time, as they did in the 1st half and on occasions in the 2nd - but it was the lack of fitness from the previous manager and his useless cronies, means they can't last the whole game, because they haven't been asked to attack the opposition under them - they are not fit !!! and I'm not sure if Lambert will have time to put right what that useless Hughes created, no wonder the players loved Hughes, because is was like a holiday camp for them !! Mark Hughes was shit. Paul Lambert is no better. We beat a lousy huddersfield side, never looked like beating or scoring against Watford and lost to Bournemouth. We've taken 4 points from 9. Last season we got 7 from the same fixture set. They are the simple facts. Lambert has 3 new additions to the squad and he ended up starting with crouch and finished up with a left back in the middle of midfield. Forgive me for thinking weve replaced coco the clown with coco the clowns brother.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 3, 2018 19:51:47 GMT
Davejonno1 - You are talking so much crap tonight, I always agreed with your posts, but for you not to see how much the team have improved with regards to pressing and taking the game to the opponents in such a short time, as they did in the 1st half and on occasions in the 2nd - but it was the lack of fitness from the previous manager and his useless cronies, means they can't last the whole game, because they haven't been asked to attack the opposition under them - they are not fit !!! and I'm not sure if Lambert will have time to put right what that useless Hughes created, no wonder the players loved Hughes, because is was like a holiday camp for them !! Mark Hughes was shit. Paul Lambert is no better. We beat a lousy huddersfield side, never looked like beating or scoring against Watford and lost to Bournemouth. We've taken 4 points from 9. Last season we got 7 from the same fixture set. They are the simple facts. Lambert has 3 new additions to the squad and he ended up starting with crouch and finished up with a left back in the middle of midfield. Forgive me for thinking weve replaced coco the clown with coco the clowns brother. I have to say I only started to watch from the hour mark onwards as I was planning to avoid it, they are ruining my weekends etc. But I couldn't stop myself and started watching late on. I couldn't believe what a shambles we were, there was no shape or organisation, crouch up front on his own, we couldn't get out of our half. It looked as bad as anything under hughes. He totally fucked up with his in-game management. That was a crucial crucial game and it descended into a total disorganised shambles. Very very poor from lambert. I'm really feeling pissed off with him already
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 20:02:03 GMT
He deserves our total support as we are in a situation where we can't do anything else. I think it is very fair to suggest he wasn't on anyone's shortlist to replace Hughes. The Huddersfield match was fine. The Watford game and today were not. That has nothing to do with the results either. That said, whether you like him or not is not the option. The option is safety or relegation.
On one hand I feel for him. He has been brought in far, far too late. Everyone knows that, regardless of his name, his stature or his ability. I honestly don't think he has been backed enough either. We've done the bare minimum in the market in January and that is a recurring theme across a number of managers spanning years.
When a business fails it is usually down to poor management at the very top, with the snowball effect of numerous smaller issues caused further down the chain. We're witnessing this right now.
Piss poor management from the top in failing to deal with the issue of Hughes in the summer, failing to deal with him in a sensible time frame this season and a complete scatter gun approach to replacing him. The replacement himself is not perfect but with a fair wind and a lorry load of luck should keep us up.
I feel that would just delay the inevitable right now. There are far too many comfortable people upstairs. The club has absolutely stunk of complacency for far too long. They have believed their own hype of "Stoke will always finish in midtable" far too literally and the eye has been taken off the ball. Once that sets in it takes a monumental task to turn the tide. Ask Bolton.
Whether we stay up or not then one thing is for certain. Peter Coates needs to step aside and his son needs to come in. Whether that will change things I do not know, none of us do. Again, like the manager situation, we have very little other choice.
Sorry for the blind, windmill style rant but i'm angry. Really angry.
Ten years in this league and it has come down to this. It is nothing short of incompetence, sheer arrogance and laziness.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 3, 2018 20:30:19 GMT
He deserves our total support as we are in a situation where we can't do anything else. I think it is very fair to suggest he wasn't on anyone's shortlist to replace Hughes. The Huddersfield match was fine. The Watford game and today were not. That has nothing to do with the results either. That said, whether you like him or not is not the option. The option is safety or relegation. On one hand I feel for him. He has been brought in far, far too late. Everyone knows that, regardless of his name, his stature or his ability. I honestly don't think he has been backed enough either. We've done the bare minimum in the market in January and that is a recurring theme across a number of managers spanning years. When a business fails it is usually down to poor management at the very top, with the snowball effect of numerous smaller issues caused further down the chain. We're witnessing this right now. Piss poor management from the top in failing to deal with the issue of Hughes in the summer, failing to deal with him in a sensible time frame this season and a complete scatter gun approach to replacing him. The replacement himself is not perfect but with a fair wind and a lorry load of luck should keep us up. I feel that would just delay the inevitable right now. There are far too many comfortable people upstairs. The club has absolutely stunk of complacency for far too long. They have believed their own hype of "Stoke will always finish in midtable" far too literally and the eye has been taken off the ball. Once that sets in it takes a monumental task to turn the tide. Ask Bolton. Whether we stay up or not then one thing is for certain. Peter Coates needs to step aside and his son needs to come in. Whether that will change things I do not know, none of us do. Again, like the manager situation, we have very little other choice. Sorry for the blind, windmill style rant but i'm angry. Really angry. Ten years in this league and it has come down to this. It is nothing short of incompetence, sheer arrogance and laziness. Agree with your diagnosis but not the proposed answer we need a top flight ambitious single minded ceo to balance out the families undoubted commitment
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Post by thevoid on Feb 3, 2018 20:47:54 GMT
Cheap, panic managerial appointment (not helped by dithering over Hughes) and no striker brought in.
Take a bow Peter, you fucking skinflint. Relegation will be no more than our board deserve.
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Post by TexasPotter on Feb 4, 2018 5:35:52 GMT
He deserves our total support as we are in a situation where we can't do anything else. I think it is very fair to suggest he wasn't on anyone's shortlist to replace Hughes. The Huddersfield match was fine. The Watford game and today were not. That has nothing to do with the results either. That said, whether you like him or not is not the option. The option is safety or relegation. On one hand I feel for him. He has been brought in far, far too late. Everyone knows that, regardless of his name, his stature or his ability. I honestly don't think he has been backed enough either. We've done the bare minimum in the market in January and that is a recurring theme across a number of managers spanning years. When a business fails it is usually down to poor management at the very top, with the snowball effect of numerous smaller issues caused further down the chain. We're witnessing this right now. Piss poor management from the top in failing to deal with the issue of Hughes in the summer, failing to deal with him in a sensible time frame this season and a complete scatter gun approach to replacing him. The replacement himself is not perfect but with a fair wind and a lorry load of luck should keep us up. I feel that would just delay the inevitable right now. There are far too many comfortable people upstairs. The club has absolutely stunk of complacency for far too long. They have believed their own hype of "Stoke will always finish in midtable" far too literally and the eye has been taken off the ball. Once that sets in it takes a monumental task to turn the tide. Ask Bolton. Whether we stay up or not then one thing is for certain. Peter Coates needs to step aside and his son needs to come in. Whether that will change things I do not know, none of us do. Again, like the manager situation, we have very little other choice. Sorry for the blind, windmill style rant but i'm angry. Really angry. Ten years in this league and it has come down to this. It is nothing short of incompetence, sheer arrogance and laziness. Brilliant post and my frustration with the club too.
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Post by TexasPotter on Feb 4, 2018 5:40:16 GMT
Davejonno1 - You are talking so much crap tonight, I always agreed with your posts, but for you not to see how much the team have improved with regards to pressing and taking the game to the opponents in such a short time, as they did in the 1st half and on occasions in the 2nd - but it was the lack of fitness from the previous manager and his useless cronies, means they can't last the whole game, because they haven't been asked to attack the opposition under them - they are not fit !!! and I'm not sure if Lambert will have time to put right what that useless Hughes created, no wonder the players loved Hughes, because is was like a holiday camp for them !! Mark Hughes was shit. Paul Lambert is no better. We beat a lousy huddersfield side, never looked like beating or scoring against Watford and lost to Bournemouth. We've taken 4 points from 9. Last season we got 7 from the same fixture set. They are the simple facts. Lambert has 3 new additions to the squad and he ended up starting with crouch and finished up with a left back in the middle of midfield. Forgive me for thinking weve replaced coco the clown with coco the clowns brother. The truth fucking hurts and kicks you square in the face and bollocks at the same time. 😔
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Post by Fred Ferret on Feb 4, 2018 7:01:16 GMT
They said it wouldn't take long. Who did ? A number on here, who said the predictable, desponds would be just waiting in the wings to belch out their dross and misery. Hello!
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Post by pavel on Feb 4, 2018 7:45:11 GMT
He deserves our total support as we are in a situation where we can't do anything else. I think it is very fair to suggest he wasn't on anyone's shortlist to replace Hughes. The Huddersfield match was fine. The Watford game and today were not. That has nothing to do with the results either. That said, whether you like him or not is not the option. The option is safety or relegation. On one hand I feel for him. He has been brought in far, far too late. Everyone knows that, regardless of his name, his stature or his ability. I honestly don't think he has been backed enough either. We've done the bare minimum in the market in January and that is a recurring theme across a number of managers spanning years. When a business fails it is usually down to poor management at the very top, with the snowball effect of numerous smaller issues caused further down the chain. We're witnessing this right now. Piss poor management from the top in failing to deal with the issue of Hughes in the summer, failing to deal with him in a sensible time frame this season and a complete scatter gun approach to replacing him. The replacement himself is not perfect but with a fair wind and a lorry load of luck should keep us up. I feel that would just delay the inevitable right now. There are far too many comfortable people upstairs. The club has absolutely stunk of complacency for far too long. They have believed their own hype of "Stoke will always finish in midtable" far too literally and the eye has been taken off the ball. Once that sets in it takes a monumental task to turn the tide. Ask Bolton. Whether we stay up or not then one thing is for certain. Peter Coates needs to step aside and his son needs to come in. Whether that will change things I do not know, none of us do. Again, like the manager situation, we have very little other choice. Sorry for the blind, windmill style rant but i'm angry. Really angry. Ten years in this league and it has come down to this. It is nothing short of incompetence, sheer arrogance and laziness. Spot on and not a rant for me, the club reeks of complacency and a lack of a clear vision, little ambition other than surviving. We had a chance a couple of years ago to aim high but were happy to stand still and now we are becalmed and in danger of sinking. It comes from the top and the senior management team and major changes are needed whatever happens.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 9:27:59 GMT
This is what happens when the club show no ambition and just "settle" there is a distinct lack of testicles all over the place.
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Post by cozmick on Feb 4, 2018 9:34:42 GMT
Reading some of these comments it's no fucking wonder we're in it up to our necks.
In the bottom 3 and people are still happy clapping.
What a joke.
#CoatesOut
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Post by milky on Feb 4, 2018 9:50:12 GMT
I wasnt a fan of Lambert but he is here so i will suport him.
That said he was poor yesterday in terms of trying to address the obvious problem unfolding in front of him on the pitch.
Most folk knew though that any manager was going to take time to sort out this rabble he has inerhited.The 2 goals conceded were testimony that old habits will take a while to eridicate. Time we don't have.
The word "dithering " has been used a lot..and perfectly sums up why we are where we are.
Hughes should have gone in the summer. How he survived past the West Ham debacle tHough is criminal.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Feb 4, 2018 9:52:40 GMT
He should be popular then because we have some absolute jokers on here.
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Post by sasfan on Feb 4, 2018 9:55:49 GMT
Lambert is not a clown, he's no Pep but he has a pretty decent record. The real problem is that he has inherited a poor side. In time I believe he would get them going but time is something we simply don't have.
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Post by shrewspotter on Feb 4, 2018 10:03:54 GMT
Absolute shocking management harsh mate, agreed re subs but he’s manager to make those calls He’s still finding his feet and deserves time
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 10:09:07 GMT
Absolute shocking management harsh mate, agreed re subs but he’s manager to make those calls He’s still finding his feet and deserves time Time we don't have.
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Post by shrewspotter on Feb 4, 2018 10:09:11 GMT
Lambert is not a clown, he's no Pep but he has a pretty decent record. The real problem is that he has inherited a poor side. In time I believe he would get them going but time is something we simply don't have. correct, I think the failure to sign a goal scorer will be our undoing should it come to it We’ve been in this situation twice before, both times we signed someone who knocked in a few goals, Beattie then Odemwingie, unfortunately we don’t have a player such as these in the squad
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Post by shrewspotter on Feb 4, 2018 10:10:37 GMT
harsh mate, agreed re subs but he’s manager to make those calls He’s still finding his feet and deserves time Time we don't have. we don’t but that’s not really Lamberts fault Look I agree re the subs but he has inherited a broken side, I really don’t know what everyone expected
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Post by bombersheldon on Feb 4, 2018 10:20:29 GMT
The team he put out as far as midfield was spot on.up front choice of crouch or Diouf you could argue case for not playing either of them.we need Jese and that’s why lambert said he has a big part to play.the passion lambert is showing is just what players and fans want.as for the board how would you feel with 30million wasted on imbula and Berahino imagine it was your money! The new signings will change the side.i would love to see Ireland back.we will be ok. The support yesterday as mentioned in commentary was the best they have seen.keep faith go on stoke!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 10:27:18 GMT
we don’t but that’s not really Lamberts fault Look I agree re the subs but he has inherited a broken side, I really don’t know what everyone expected I take no pleasure from our position but I did not want him and nothing has changed my mind so far.lazy weak appointment from a desparate club.
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Feb 4, 2018 10:30:38 GMT
Lambert is not a clown, he's no Pep but he has a pretty decent record. The real problem is that he has inherited a poor side. In time I believe he would get them going but time is something we simply don't have. correct, I think the failure to sign a goal scorer will be our undoing should it come to it We’ve been in this situation twice before, both times we signed someone who knocked in a few goals, Beattie then Odemwingie, unfortunately we don’t have a player such as these in the squad 4-4-2 Butland Stafy Ryan Zouma Bauer Cameron Allen Ndiaye Sodhi Shaqiri + 1 of.... JESE, BERAHINO, DIOUF, CROUCH, CHOUPO That’s 5 players to choose from as a striker... If Lambert can get ONE of them firing, he’ll be a hero.
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Post by malisastokie on Feb 4, 2018 10:38:50 GMT
We are is this mess because of Hughes!
The players are not fit, and were not organised !
We expect Lambert to fix that over night ?
I am as pissed off as anybody for dropping 3 points but I think if the guys keep working hard as they did over the last 3 games we will stay up !!!!
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Post by cozmick on Feb 4, 2018 11:22:45 GMT
We are is this mess because of Hughes! The players are not fit, and were not organised ! We expect Lambert to fix that over night ? I am as pissed off as anybody for dropping 3 points but I think if the guys keep working hard as they did over the last 3 games we will stay up !!!! Give me his salary and I'll get them on to the fucking moon in a week. Watford and Bournemouth results are down to him. It was 6 points on paper. He fucked it up.
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Post by stokemark on Feb 4, 2018 11:32:44 GMT
I'm all for giving Lambert a chance but in reality he is another manager who is grateful to have a job and as such beholden to his paymasters
If he had 'done his homework' on Stokes deficiencies then he wouldn't have taken the job unless he'd been given £25m for a striker in the January window - of course for him it was a risk worth taking when the alternative was travelling around German market stalls.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 4, 2018 11:38:25 GMT
He doesn't know how we lost that game! He didn't really say that, did he?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 4, 2018 12:15:23 GMT
He doesn't know how we lost that game! He didn't really say that, did he? He sure did.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 4, 2018 12:57:58 GMT
He didn't really say that, did he? He sure did. Shakes head ...
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Post by Block 22 on Feb 4, 2018 13:04:32 GMT
I'm all for giving Lambert a chance but in reality he is another manager who is grateful to have a job and as such beholden to his paymasters If he had 'done his homework' on Stokes deficiencies then he wouldn't have taken the job unless he'd been given £25m for a striker in the January window - of course for him it was a risk worth taking when the alternative was travelling around German market stalls. Why wouldn't he take the job? What a silly statement. Any 3 of about 10 teams could go down and he gets a million if we stay up.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 4, 2018 13:10:33 GMT
That result was 100% down to the manager and his lack of nous when it came to substitutions imo. If you disagree fair enough we are all entitled to our opinions or if you choose to happy clap us into the championship be my guest. OK - so what do you propose? Sack the manager three games into his tenure? Boo the team, the manager and the board in a barking mad attempt to "turn things round"? Or get behind the ream, the manager and the board when the need it the most? Us "happy clappers" have adopted the "stayingupfor" tag because we have this insane belief that being positive and getting behind the club might actually (in a small way) contribute to our survival. Why don't you and your negative tribe of know everything doom mongers start up your own "goingdownwwith" tag so we know where the battle lines are drawn? I'd rather look naive, deluded and stupid for supporting my team than look like a self absorbed egotisical dickhead spewing no stop bile over everything the club tries to do. 3 games in and the blame mongering lunatics are back in full voice.
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Post by redstriper on Feb 4, 2018 13:11:22 GMT
We are is this mess because of Hughes! The players are not fit, and were not organised ! We expect Lambert to fix that over night ? I am as pissed off as anybody for dropping 3 points but I think if the guys keep working hard as they did over the last 3 games we will stay up !!!! Give me his salary and I'll get them on to the fucking moon in a week. Watford and Bournemouth results are down to him. It was 6 points on paper. He fucked it up. Are you a fitness professional with a track record to prove it ?, or just someone sitting on a sofa thinking they can do better ? It amazes me how deluded some people are on this board are, pontificating on how easy a job they have never done is. often it comes from jealousy - your salary comment illustrates that.
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