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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 9:56:21 GMT
The obvious key ingredient missing, that led to Hughes's demise
we could all see it - he could not (until it was too late)
now, 3 more players arrive and are available to address this obvious shortcoming
and Joe Allen wont have to do the running for three in midfield anymore
I just hope and pray its not too late for our premier league status
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 3, 2018 10:18:43 GMT
Correct - the modern day game and prem, in particular, is about pace, power and athleticism and that seemed to pass our last manager by.
Our new manager has started with Fletch, Adam and Shaq in the mid and against the better teams we are going to struggle to be competitive in the midfield if he insists on starting those 3 in every game. And like you say he cant expect Allen to run his balls off all the time.
Hopefully our latest signing can help big time and will be thrown straight into the team today and Cam needs to start also, my fear is that our current manager has a bit of a Scottish bias, hopefully not though.
That said if Fletcher starts today and our new signing does not get a look in - then it will not only be disappointing but also worrying.
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Post by lordb on Feb 3, 2018 10:24:31 GMT
You can't just run about a lot,that won't win matches.
You have to play football as well.
Obviously Lambert is addressing the goals against column as a priority (quite right) however at some point he will have to get the players to use the ball better too.
That will probably mean a move away from the three defensive midfielders.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 3, 2018 10:30:59 GMT
Correct - the modern day game and prem, in particular, is about pace, power and athleticism and that seemed to pass our last manager by. Our new manager has started with Fletch, Adam and Shaq in the mid and against the better teams we are going to struggle to be competitive in the midfield if he insists on starting those 3 in every game. And like you say he cant expect Allen to run his balls off all the time. Hopefully our latest signing can help big time and will be thrown straight into the team today and Cam needs to start also, my fear is that our current manager has a bit of a Scottish bias, hopefully not though. That said if Fletcher starts today and our new signing does not get a look in - then it will not only be disappointing but also worrying. Are we going to have this every time he picks a Scottish player Blackpool? Who else could he have played? Maybe he just thinks that in the last two games it was better to pick adam and fletcher because they are better footballers? Now as for Fletcher, I agree he got in on reputation alone and he has been poor this season, but he wasn't bad against huddersfield. But can we stop this talk of scottish bias? It smacks of anti-scottishness! |
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 3, 2018 11:03:27 GMT
Correct - the modern day game and prem, in particular, is about pace, power and athleticism and that seemed to pass our last manager by. Our new manager has started with Fletch, Adam and Shaq in the mid and against the better teams we are going to struggle to be competitive in the midfield if he insists on starting those 3 in every game. And like you say he cant expect Allen to run his balls off all the time. Hopefully our latest signing can help big time and will be thrown straight into the team today and Cam needs to start also, my fear is that our current manager has a bit of a Scottish bias, hopefully not though. That said if Fletcher starts today and our new signing does not get a look in - then it will not only be disappointing but also worrying. Are we going to have this every time he picks a Scottish player Blackpool? Who else could he have played? Maybe he just thinks that in the last two games it was better to pick adam and fletcher because they are better footballers? Now as for Fletcher, I agree he got in on reputation alone and he has been poor this season, but he wasn't bad against huddersfield. But can we stop this talk of scottish bias? It smacks of anti-scottishness! Did not mean to come across as anti-scottish. It just so happens that the 2 Scottish players we have in our midfield/squad happen to be getting on and are not the fastest players on the planet, Shaq also is not the most mobile, all 3, in my opinion, should not be starting if we want to be competitive. Our manager is Scottish though and has picked both of the Scottish players for both of our games and I am hoping he does not continue to lean on these players for the rest of the season. We do have a different option today and it will worry me if we don't see our new signing at some point and if he continues to think that Shaq, Adam & Fletch are the only answer. The thread was about pace and running, of which both Fletch & Adam lack. That said neither of them will go missing in a game and both will stand up and be counted no matter what position we find ourselves in and you can see the attraction of this for our new manager, especially when you consider that he has inherited a bit of a characterless bunch. |
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 3, 2018 11:07:30 GMT
Are we going to have this every time he picks a Scottish player Blackpool? Who else could he have played? Maybe he just thinks that in the last two games it was better to pick adam and fletcher because they are better footballers? Now as for Fletcher, I agree he got in on reputation alone and he has been poor this season, but he wasn't bad against huddersfield. But can we stop this talk of scottish bias? It smacks of anti-scottishness! Did not mean to come across as anti-scottish. It just so happens that the 2 Scottish players we have in our midfield/squad happen to be getting on and are not the fastest players on the planet, Shaq also is not the most mobile, all 3, in my opinion, should not be starting if we want to be competitive. Our manager is Scottish though and has picked both of the Scottish players for both of our games and I am hoping he does not continue to lean on these players for the rest of the season. We do have a different option today and it will worry me if we don't see our new signing at some point and if he continues to think that Shaq, Adam & Fletch are the only answer. The thread was about pace and running, of which both Fletch & Adam lack. That said neither of them will go missing in a game and both will stand up and be counted no matter what position we find ourselves in and you can see the attraction of this for our new manager, especially when you consider that he has inherited a bit of a characterless bunch. Shaq is “not the most mobile” and shouldn’t be starting? Confused as to why you’re lumping him in with Adam and Fletch |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Feb 3, 2018 11:10:15 GMT
This has been a key issue for us , alongside organisation and being unable to find a regular goalscorer or a system that creates chances , we have had too much in the way of nothing football that looks nice at times but achieves nothing .
Lambert somehow has to address this , started well in terms of defending but much stiffer test today , another clean sheet and he will be getting somewhere
The rest still is as it was really , players just not doing enough and no obvious system that will work .
Wednesday suggested that there is a lot more to do , so will be interesting to see if Lambert can do anything about it with the players we have .
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 3, 2018 11:17:08 GMT
Did not mean to come across as anti-scottish. It just so happens that the 2 Scottish players we have in our midfield/squad happen to be getting on and are not the fastest players on the planet, Shaq also is not the most mobile, all 3, in my opinion, should not be starting if we want to be competitive. Our manager is Scottish though and has picked both of the Scottish players for both of our games and I am hoping he does not continue to lean on these players for the rest of the season. We do have a different option today and it will worry me if we don't see our new signing at some point and if he continues to think that Shaq, Adam & Fletch are the only answer. The thread was about pace and running, of which both Fletch & Adam lack. That said neither of them will go missing in a game and both will stand up and be counted no matter what position we find ourselves in and you can see the attraction of this for our new manager, especially when you consider that he has inherited a bit of a characterless bunch. Shaq is “not the most mobile” and shouldn’t be starting? Confused as to why you’re lumping him in with Adam and Fletch Did not say Shaq should not be starting, rather we cannot afford to play 3 midfield players that lack mobility in the modern day game and Shaq was 1 of the 3 players I mentioned. I am hoping that Fletch is dropped today and Cam and our new signing can bring a bit of energy into our midfield. In my opinion, if we start with Shaq, Fletch & Adam in our mid today(any away game) we stand the chance of being overrun and more than likely will get beat as a result |
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 3, 2018 11:19:25 GMT
Correct - the modern day game and prem, in particular, is about pace, power and athleticism and that seemed to pass our last manager by. Our new manager has started with Fletch, Adam and Shaq in the mid and against the better teams we are going to struggle to be competitive in the midfield if he insists on starting those 3 in every game. And like you say he cant expect Allen to run his balls off all the time. Hopefully our latest signing can help big time and will be thrown straight into the team today and Cam needs to start also, my fear is that our current manager has a bit of a Scottish bias, hopefully not though. That said if Fletcher starts today and our new signing does not get a look in - then it will not only be disappointing but also worrying. Are we going to have this every time he picks a Scottish player Blackpool? Who else could he have played? Maybe he just thinks that in the last two games it was better to pick adam and fletcher because they are better footballers? Now as for Fletcher, I agree he got in on reputation alone and he has been poor this season, but he wasn't bad against huddersfield. But can we stop this talk of scottish bias? It smacks of anti-scottishness! Surely he could have picked Cameron ( I assume he was fit? ) ...... there were also Ireland and Afellay ( I assume the same ). Fletcher and Adam are both woefully slow and immobile. Given the claim that Lambert had assessed our squad inside out before his appointment they seem like poor choices to start......particularly Fletcher who has been deeply involved in our defensive shit-show this season so far. The new manager's decision to pick these two against Watford was a questionable one regardless of their involvement in the previous win.......understandable but ultimately too negative I reckon. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 3, 2018 11:27:52 GMT
Are we going to have this every time he picks a Scottish player Blackpool? Who else could he have played? Maybe he just thinks that in the last two games it was better to pick adam and fletcher because they are better footballers? Now as for Fletcher, I agree he got in on reputation alone and he has been poor this season, but he wasn't bad against huddersfield. But can we stop this talk of scottish bias? It smacks of anti-scottishness! Surely he could have picked Cameron ( I assume he was fit? ) ...... there were also Ireland and Afellay ( I assume the same ). Fletcher and Adam are both woefully slow and immobile. Given the claim that Lambert had assessed our squad inside out before his appointment they seem like poor choices to start......particularly Fletcher who has been deeply involved in our defensive shit-show this season so far. The new manager's decision to pick these two against Watford was a questionable one regardless of their involvement in the previous win.......understandable but ultimately too negative I reckon. Ireland and affelay would really sort out the mobility issues. You are 100% correct in that. Get them in! |
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 3, 2018 11:42:38 GMT
Surely he could have picked Cameron ( I assume he was fit? ) ...... there were also Ireland and Afellay ( I assume the same ). Fletcher and Adam are both woefully slow and immobile. Given the claim that Lambert had assessed our squad inside out before his appointment they seem like poor choices to start......particularly Fletcher who has been deeply involved in our defensive shit-show this season so far. The new manager's decision to pick these two against Watford was a questionable one regardless of their involvement in the previous win.......understandable but ultimately too negative I reckon. Ireland and affelay would really sort out the mobility issues. You are 100% correct in that. Get them in! Thanks for agreeing... good man |
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 3, 2018 13:11:46 GMT
Shaq is “not the most mobile” and shouldn’t be starting? Confused as to why you’re lumping him in with Adam and Fletch Did not say Shaq should not be starting, rather we cannot afford to play 3 midfield players that lack mobility in the modern day game and Shaq was 1 of the 3 players I mentioned. I am hoping that Fletch is dropped today and Cam and our new signing can bring a bit of energy into our midfield. In my opinion, if we start with Shaq, Fletch & Adam in our mid today(any away game) we stand the chance of being overrun and more than likely will get beat as a result You did say Shaq shouldn’t be starting, and that he lacks mobility, both of which are nonsense frankly. At any rate Shaq hasn’t even been playing “in our mid” unless you’re counting our wide forwards as midfielders, which is a bit weird |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 14:00:24 GMT
Just hearing on SSN Badou to be 'assessed'
FFS ! surely to god we're not going to be subjected to those two fucking traction engines puffing around in midfield again,
at walking pace - like a pair of old age fucking pensioners
AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!
one with suicidal tendencies footballing wise, (Fletcher) the other one, towing a fucking caravan too ? (Adam)
surely to god, all three new lads have got to start today ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 14:05:14 GMT
Neither of them start --thank fook !
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 3, 2018 14:08:29 GMT
I believe this is why he's gone for Crouch.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 14:13:35 GMT
You can't just run about a lot,that won't win matches. You have to play football as well. Obviously Lambert is addressing the goals against column as a priority (quite right) however at some point he will have to get the players to use the ball better too. That will probably mean a move away from the three defensive midfielders. Allen and Ndiaye aren't defensive players, they are both box to box, which works in 4-1-4-1 |
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Post by lordb on Feb 3, 2018 14:20:56 GMT
You can't just run about a lot,that won't win matches. You have to play football as well. Obviously Lambert is addressing the goals against column as a priority (quite right) however at some point he will have to get the players to use the ball better too. That will probably mean a move away from the three defensive midfielders. Allen and Ndiaye aren't defensive players, they are both box to box, which works in 4-1-4-1 I was referring to midfield combo of Fletcher,Adam and Allen In my view all three were being used primarily as defensive midfielders. Different three today but essentially the same shape. No 'number 10' as such. Not slating Lambert for this as he's sorting the defensive side of the side out first. However at some point we need some craft. We have not been playing 4141 More 41221 which has left striker isolated and Shaqiri starved of the ball. However with Badly coming in the extra energy he should bring hopefully gets the ball to our danger men quicker and higher up the pitch. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 14:38:47 GMT
Allen and Ndiaye aren't defensive players, they are both box to box, which works in 4-1-4-1 I was referring to midfield combo of Fletcher,Adam and Allen In my view all three were being used primarily as defensive midfielders. Different three today but essentially the same shape. No 'number 10' as such. Not slating Lambert for this as he's sorting the defensive side of the side out first. However at some point we need some craft. We have not been playing 4141 More 41221 which has left striker isolated and Shaqiri starved of the ball. However with Badly coming in the extra energy he should bring hopefully gets the ball to our danger men quicker and higher up the pitch. Allen's played number 10 for us, and the only time he has played as a defensive mid he has been box to box, Badou primarily a number 10 in Turkey. They're attacking players that put a defensive shift in for me Lord. I agree about the isolation and I struggle to see how Crouch will help that though. |
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Post by lordb on Feb 3, 2018 14:49:49 GMT
I was referring to midfield combo of Fletcher,Adam and Allen In my view all three were being used primarily as defensive midfielders. Different three today but essentially the same shape. No 'number 10' as such. Not slating Lambert for this as he's sorting the defensive side of the side out first. However at some point we need some craft. We have not been playing 4141 More 41221 which has left striker isolated and Shaqiri starved of the ball. However with Badly coming in the extra energy he should bring hopefully gets the ball to our danger men quicker and higher up the pitch. Allen's played number 10 for us, and the only time he has played as a defensive mid he has been box to box, Badou primarily a number 10 in Turkey. They're attacking players that put a defensive shift in for me Lord. I agree about the isolation and I struggle to see how Crouch will help that though. Someone has to get close to,and beyond,Crouch. Allen and/or Badou but will they have licence to do that? If they do then that requires a lot of energy so it should work better with two midfielders with energy rather than one. In future games, especially at home,I think we will need a bone fide creator in there. Either Ireland or two wide players with Shaqiri moving inside The other alternative is 442 |
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Post by cooper67 on Feb 3, 2018 17:15:50 GMT
Are we going to have this every time he picks a Scottish player Blackpool? Who else could he have played? Maybe he just thinks that in the last two games it was better to pick adam and fletcher because they are better footballers? Now as for Fletcher, I agree he got in on reputation alone and he has been poor this season, but he wasn't bad against huddersfield. But can we stop this talk of scottish bias? It smacks of anti-scottishness! Did not mean to come across as anti-scottish. It just so happens that the 2 Scottish players we have in our midfield/squad happen to be getting on and are not the fastest players on the planet, Shaq also is not the most mobile, all 3, in my opinion, should not be starting if we want to be competitive. Our manager is Scottish though and has picked both of the Scottish players for both of our games and I am hoping he does not continue to lean on these players for the rest of the season. We do have a different option today and it will worry me if we don't see our new signing at some point and if he continues to think that Shaq, Adam & Fletch are the only answer. The thread was about pace and running, of which both Fletch & Adam lack. That said neither of them will go missing in a game and both will stand up and be counted no matter what position we find ourselves in and you can see the attraction of this for our new manager, especially when you consider that he has inherited a bit of a characterless bunch. Those are the only 2 that can understand what the fuck PL is on about-because I get about 1 word in 10! When he said let's defend from the front today-the squad only heard the word Crouch and thought he meant to lump it forward. |
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