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Post by scfcrmagic on Feb 1, 2018 2:29:21 GMT
They obviously came with the tactical approach of chuck yourself on the deck whenever you can even if you aren’t anywhere near the ball...it was infuriating to watch such blatant cheating, time wasting and general unsportsman like conduct..its not easy to build up any flow or rhythm with the continual stop start of the game. The ref should have got a grip of the match, maybe he was too busy keeping an eye on the crowd trying to spot the ruddy sniper lurking. Can’t stand cheats ... I’d be embarrassed to follow a team that behaved like that ..
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Post by 3putts on Feb 1, 2018 6:59:44 GMT
They obviously came with the tactical approach of chuck yourself on the deck whenever you can even if you aren’t anywhere near the ball...it was infuriating to watch such blatant cheating, time wasting and general unsportsman like conduct..its not easy to build up any flow or rhythm with the continual stop start of the game. The ref should have got a grip of the match, maybe he was too busy keeping an eye on the crowd trying to spot the ruddy sniper lurking. Can’t stand cheats ... I’d be embarrassed to follow a team that behaved like that .. thing is when teams resort to such gemesmanship it should be pretty obvious to the ref what they are doing but they still fall for their cheating.time refs stood up to teams like wstford.bournemouth etc
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Post by stokieinaus on Feb 1, 2018 8:55:31 GMT
At home, less possession, 4 shots on target I don’t care who we play, it says it all Does having the ball in hand for 2 minutes whilst farting around & delaying a throw in count as possession??? If so Watford will always look good on those amazing possession stats The point being, do we really want to win or are we satisfied with a draw. You can’t blame the opposition for lack of ambition.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Feb 1, 2018 8:56:19 GMT
Shit game of football but, a cracking game of head tennis in the midfield at times.
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Post by silverdollar on Feb 1, 2018 9:32:08 GMT
I came away from the match feeling very depressed! Lambert had had a week and a half to sort a team out to beat Watford. The game was worse than the worst under Pulis. The ball was up in the air all the time and very little attractive football was played by either team. Watford were the best of two very poor teams. The only consolation was that the effort and the commitment was there and we came away with a point. The signing of Ndiaye gives me a little hope though! Another clean sheet means the back four should remain the same but to me it is obvious that the midfield three for the next game should be Cameron, Ndiaye and Allen. How much longer are we going to persevere with Adam, Crouch and other over age players? Jese and Berahino need to be around the team. I was not convinced by Choupo's commitment last night although he had one or two good runs. He needs to get in the box more before he delivers. Most of all I want to see the ball on the ground! I do not want to see a game of heading tennis!
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 1, 2018 9:37:46 GMT
On reflection Watford came and did a job on us last night. We were actually lucky not to have a player sent off with the Watford antics.
They came to play on the Stoke reputation of being a hard team/place, they disrupted our play particularly at set pieces, they nearly scored and got 3 points. I thought the referee was OK and didn't over react to their play acting, a couple of other refs like Oliver and Dean could have been a lot harsher on us.
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 1, 2018 9:40:49 GMT
I came away from the match feeling very depressed! Lambert had had a week and a half to sort a team out to beat Watford. The game was worse than the worst under Pulis. The ball was up in the air all the time and very little attractive football was played by either team. Watford were the best of two very poor teams. The only consolation was that the effort and the commitment was there and we came away with a point. The signing of Ndiaye gives me a little hope though! Another clean sheet means the back four should remain the same but to me it is obvious that the midfield three for the next game should be Cameron, Ndiaye and Allen. How much longer are we going to persevere with Adam, Crouch and other over age players? Jese and Berahino need to be around the team. I was not convinced by Choupo's commitment last night although he had one or two good runs. He needs to get in the box more before he delivers. Most of all I want to see the ball on the ground! I do not want to see a game of heading tennis! Excellent post. I think Choupo has been told to play deeper to help the defence more to stop the goals being conceded.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 9:41:08 GMT
Best part of the night was southstand singing...GET YOUR TITS OUT FOR THE LADS....to Troy Deeney
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Post by Dresden_scfc on Feb 1, 2018 9:53:20 GMT
Wasnt the best but 2clean sheets in a row is great considering how many we have let in, Watford had a new manager he came to slow the game down clearly stooped the rythym managers second game in charge players working harder so got take that into consideration but we have to get points out of the teams around us now.
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Post by pb1863 on Feb 1, 2018 9:59:45 GMT
4 points off them this season and now two clean sheets in a row. Let’s build on it. Onwards and upwards and 3 points on Saturday please.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 10:31:11 GMT
Fucking hell - you want to stay up and play nice football.
Beggars can't be chosers.
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Post by icelandpotter on Feb 1, 2018 11:44:36 GMT
It was absolutely awful last night. I can't remember the last time we played that badly.
There was no effort to win the ball or the second ball, we didn't know what to do when we had the ball, our goalie was terrible, the midfield was worse than useless (actually giving the ball to Watford) and I would have preferred to replace one of Adam/Fletcher with another striker (as Diouf was on a hiding to nothing with noone to flick on to).
Disgraceful performance, playing like that we are going down without a doubt.
If it was me I'd replace Choupo with Ramadan, Fletcher (as CDM) with Cameron, Adam with NDiaye, then replace any of the midfield with a second striker (like he did with Crouchie last night) when we're behind.
More importantly though I would have given them as much motivation as possible to go out and play for the club, the shirt, the fans. whatever it took to get them to run their socks off. Lambert has not got them up for it properly yet apart from against Man Ure in my opinion. I know he can't polish a turd or change things overnight, but he's been talking a good game about getting the players up for it, but with very little to show.
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Post by scfc5 on Feb 1, 2018 11:51:14 GMT
It was absolutely awful last night. I can't remember the last time we played that badly. There was no effort to win the ball or the second ball, we didn't know what to do when we had the ball, our goalie was terrible, the midfield was worse than useless (actually giving the ball to Watford) and I would have preferred to replace one of Adam/Fletcher with another striker (as Diouf was on a hiding to nothing with noone to flick on to). Disgraceful performance, playing like that we are going down without a doubt. If it was me I'd replace Choupo with Ramadan, Fletcher (as CDM) with Cameron, Adam with NDiaye, then replace any of the midfield with a second striker (like he did with Crouchie last night) when we're behind. More importantly though I would have given them as much motivation as possible to go out and play for the club, the shirt, the fans. whatever it took to get them to run their socks off. Lambert has not got them up for it properly yet apart from against Man Ure in my opinion. I know he can't polish a turd or change things overnight, but he's been talking a good game about getting the players up for it, but with very little to show. The quality wasn’t there but to say there was no effort to win the ball is nonsense, in my view. There was lots of hard work but little skill. We played far worse earlier this season.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 11:59:00 GMT
I said this on the Moss thread: In general the whole affair was dismal and disappointing, the only silver lining was that we did not lose or concede. Watford set up for a draw, time wasted from the start, trying to break down all momentum, hoping to steal the points. The play acting was continental to the point of parody and so was entirely obvious to all bar one Dire evening Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/276570/jon-moss?page=1#ixzz55rCBTRku
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Post by puddledpotter on Feb 1, 2018 12:22:28 GMT
It is very difficult to play against time wasting, injury feigning, influencing the referee etc as it disrupts momentum, their tactics achieved this aim but surgically removed any entertainment value. On balance the referee did get some calls wrong but with injuries (feigned or otherwise) they will always err on the side of caution, I do credit him with getting one major decision right in relation to Diouf he was aggravated intensely but foolishly reacted by raising his arms and pushing the Watford player away who went to ground holding his face, despite the push being in the chest and rolled around as if he had been shot, the fact that the whole Watford team combined to try and get Diouf red carded for me speaks volumes about them and their coach. Would another referee, the delightful Mr Atkinson for example have left us with 11 on the pitch??. It was not an ideal result but predictable given both managers are newly in post and it would be important to each not to lose, we put in some effort but lacked guile in the final third and rose to the bait more often than I would have liked. I do not think it was a complete disaster, Shawcross looked more mobile and engaged than he has for some time, the defence looked better, we kept consecutive clean sheets for the first time in 10 months and have taken 4 points out of the last 6 under Lambert, small steps I know but at least in the right direction.
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Post by kustokie on Feb 1, 2018 12:30:08 GMT
It was absolutely awful last night. I can't remember the last time we played that badly. There was no effort to win the ball or the second ball, we didn't know what to do when we had the ball, our goalie was terrible, the midfield was worse than useless (actually giving the ball to Watford) and I would have preferred to replace one of Adam/Fletcher with another striker (as Diouf was on a hiding to nothing with noone to flick on to). Disgraceful performance, playing like that we are going down without a doubt. If it was me I'd replace Choupo with Ramadan, Fletcher (as CDM) with Cameron, Adam with NDiaye, then replace any of the midfield with a second striker (like he did with Crouchie last night) when we're behind. More importantly though I would have given them as much motivation as possible to go out and play for the club, the shirt, the fans. whatever it took to get them to run their socks off. Lambert has not got them up for it properly yet apart from against Man Ure in my opinion. I know he can't polish a turd or change things overnight, but he's been talking a good game about getting the players up for it, but with very little to show. Hang on,hang on. It two years to get into this mess. It is going to be fixed in two weeks. Right now we aren’t in a relegation scrap and not conceding goals is the top priority and we have achieved that goal, so far. When was the time we achieved two clean sheets in a row. Bournemouth will be a stearner test.
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Post by icelandpotter on Feb 1, 2018 12:37:23 GMT
It was absolutely awful last night. I can't remember the last time we played that badly. There was no effort to win the ball or the second ball, we didn't know what to do when we had the ball, our goalie was terrible, the midfield was worse than useless (actually giving the ball to Watford) and I would have preferred to replace one of Adam/Fletcher with another striker (as Diouf was on a hiding to nothing with noone to flick on to). Disgraceful performance, playing like that we are going down without a doubt. If it was me I'd replace Choupo with Ramadan, Fletcher (as CDM) with Cameron, Adam with NDiaye, then replace any of the midfield with a second striker (like he did with Crouchie last night) when we're behind. More importantly though I would have given them as much motivation as possible to go out and play for the club, the shirt, the fans. whatever it took to get them to run their socks off. Lambert has not got them up for it properly yet apart from against Man Ure in my opinion. I know he can't polish a turd or change things overnight, but he's been talking a good game about getting the players up for it, but with very little to show. Hang on,hang on. It two years to get into this mess. It is going to be fixed in two weeks. Right now we aren’t in a relegation scrap and not conceding goals is the top priority and we have achieved that goal, so far. When was the time we achieved two clean sheets in a row. Bournemouth will be a stearner test. I know mate, I did say he can't be expected to change things overnight, but it doesn't take anything away from the fact that last night was a shambolic performance, which for me had relegation written all over it regardless of the scoreline. I'd respectfully disagree with you about the relegation fight, I think we're well involved in one (and so are a large amount of other clubs)
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Post by callas12 on Feb 1, 2018 12:39:39 GMT
I'm not going to make judgement on Lamberts management based on 2 games. The Huddersfield victory came as a result of a high intensity approach which yielded us the 3pts & a clean sheet. Remains to be seen if that was a victory based on correct strategy or whether Huddersfield were just that poor.
Last night could purely of been a case of we'd set up to play the same way & Watford had simply done their homework on us from the Huddersfield game & did a job on us. It happens, Swansea have out witted both Liverpool & Arsenal in recent weeks as Bournemouth did to Chelsea last night.
The main thing is we didn't lose yesterday as I think we may have done had Hughes been on the touchline. Last night was our first 0-0 draw of the season so I take it as a positive, as Lambert said afterwards if you cant win a game its important not to lose it. It's the next few games where I think we'll see how Lamberts high intensity approach yields us success & more importantly if he can produce a plan B when teams are trying to stifle us.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 1, 2018 12:41:51 GMT
It was absolutely awful last night. I can't remember the last time we played that badly. There was no effort to win the ball or the second ball, we didn't know what to do when we had the ball, our goalie was terrible, the midfield was worse than useless (actually giving the ball to Watford) and I would have preferred to replace one of Adam/Fletcher with another striker (as Diouf was on a hiding to nothing with noone to flick on to). Disgraceful performance, playing like that we are going down without a doubt. If it was me I'd replace Choupo with Ramadan, Fletcher (as CDM) with Cameron, Adam with NDiaye, then replace any of the midfield with a second striker (like he did with Crouchie last night) when we're behind. More importantly though I would have given them as much motivation as possible to go out and play for the club, the shirt, the fans. whatever it took to get them to run their socks off. Lambert has not got them up for it properly yet apart from against Man Ure in my opinion. I know he can't polish a turd or change things overnight, but he's been talking a good game about getting the players up for it, but with very little to show. Lambert wasn't in charge for Manchester United and I thought they were very much up for it against (a poor) Huddersfield. Last night was flatter but we currently have a squad who's confidence and morale is absolutely shot... used to getting dicked almost week in week out almost irrespective of who we are playing )"Sick of losing" as Erik Pieters said). Another clean sheet with be another step towards reversing that. We didn't lose - and there have been far too few times this season where you can say that - home or away. I don't give a damn for the rest of this season whether we are entertained or not just so long as one way or another we grind out enough points to stay up. Last night was one more point towards doing that.
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Feb 1, 2018 12:44:12 GMT
It was absolutely awful last night. I can't remember the last time we played that badly. There was no effort to win the ball or the second ball, we didn't know what to do when we had the ball, our goalie was terrible, the midfield was worse than useless (actually giving the ball to Watford) and I would have preferred to replace one of Adam/Fletcher with another striker (as Diouf was on a hiding to nothing with noone to flick on to). Disgraceful performance, playing like that we are going down without a doubt. If it was me I'd replace Choupo with Ramadan, Fletcher (as CDM) with Cameron, Adam with NDiaye, then replace any of the midfield with a second striker (like he did with Crouchie last night) when we're behind. More importantly though I would have given them as much motivation as possible to go out and play for the club, the shirt, the fans. whatever it took to get them to run their socks off. Lambert has not got them up for it properly yet apart from against Man Ure in my opinion. I know he can't polish a turd or change things overnight, but he's been talking a good game about getting the players up for it, but with very little to show. Strange how you see things. I thought we were “too” up for it actually. So were they ! For me playing football was secondary to battling, added to a few hangover grudges from our last encounter with Watford. I hope things settle down because we can play and last nights game was as poor a game as you wouldn’t wish to see. Actually I thought our first half display against Man Utd was the best in a long time - but we conceded two goals !! Lambert has to get the balance right. Maybe playing away will be better ??
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 13:05:57 GMT
It was absolutely awful last night. I can't remember the last time we played that badly. There was no effort to win the ball or the second ball, we didn't know what to do when we had the ball, our goalie was terrible, the midfield was worse than useless (actually giving the ball to Watford) and I would have preferred to replace one of Adam/Fletcher with another striker (as Diouf was on a hiding to nothing with noone to flick on to). Disgraceful performance, playing like that we are going down without a doubt. If it was me I'd replace Choupo with Ramadan, Fletcher (as CDM) with Cameron, Adam with NDiaye, then replace any of the midfield with a second striker (like he did with Crouchie last night) when we're behind. More importantly though I would have given them as much motivation as possible to go out and play for the club, the shirt, the fans. whatever it took to get them to run their socks off. Lambert has not got them up for it properly yet apart from against Man Ure in my opinion. I know he can't polish a turd or change things overnight, but he's been talking a good game about getting the players up for it, but with very little to show. I lost interest when you said I can't remember us playing that badly. Bloody hell what was your first game Huddersfield??
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Post by JetBlack on Feb 1, 2018 13:27:10 GMT
I thought Watford played out their game plan perfectly. Assassinate the match, they started even before the kick off with their huddle. Quite possibly the worst 'team' I've seen down at the Bet365 ever. Fantastic at going down for non-fouls and squealing like SJW's who spot something offensive. And Mr. Moss, the so called referee fell for these tactics every single time. With Watford crowding any and every official when one of their 'players' ended up on the floor, which was usually about every 3 minutes. If that's how Watford play when they're 'fully committed' then I would like to see them when they really put their efforts into time wasting. As I said above, they played out their game plan excellently, never allowing Stoke to get into any sort of rhythm and when they did, a squeal and fall to the floor alerted the ref to which he dutifully stopped the game right away.
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Post by icelandpotter on Feb 1, 2018 13:28:29 GMT
It was absolutely awful last night. I can't remember the last time we played that badly. There was no effort to win the ball or the second ball, we didn't know what to do when we had the ball, our goalie was terrible, the midfield was worse than useless (actually giving the ball to Watford) and I would have preferred to replace one of Adam/Fletcher with another striker (as Diouf was on a hiding to nothing with noone to flick on to). Disgraceful performance, playing like that we are going down without a doubt. If it was me I'd replace Choupo with Ramadan, Fletcher (as CDM) with Cameron, Adam with NDiaye, then replace any of the midfield with a second striker (like he did with Crouchie last night) when we're behind. More importantly though I would have given them as much motivation as possible to go out and play for the club, the shirt, the fans. whatever it took to get them to run their socks off. Lambert has not got them up for it properly yet apart from against Man Ure in my opinion. I know he can't polish a turd or change things overnight, but he's been talking a good game about getting the players up for it, but with very little to show. I lost interest when you said I can't remember us playing that badly. Bloody hell what was your first game Huddersfield?? Not that I need to qualify myself, but season ticket holder since 1992, was there vs 0-8, 0-7 etc. Thought we were mainly shite against Huddersfield as well btw albeit a bit more effort (which you'd expect as a first outing under new management)
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Post by muglump on Feb 1, 2018 13:36:30 GMT
Poor game yes but I've seen so, so much worse. With Hughes we would have lost that. Games like that happen, say whatever, it's a point, and move on
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 13:59:38 GMT
Ball was in play for 42 minutes according to OPTA. Can't believe we don't have a timekeeper in the premier league ffs.
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