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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 8, 2018 22:55:07 GMT
Nah, if you’re good enough you’re old enough. It’s no different than Liverpool throwing in a young Michael Owen or Man Utd throwing in a Rashford or Wellbeck, or some of the ones that don’t work out too. I’d love to see us give an 18 year old who is on fire a chance rather than the same plan that has failed all season. NGoy deserves another chance too but he didn’t really step up to the mark last time, although he was out of position My point wasn't that we should let either go it was more around Ngoy doing well getting promoted and now seemingly rotting away in no mans land, until his loan at least. What does it say about us if we then promote Campbell above Ngoy ? For me Ngoy should have been given far more chance this season to prove his worth for what it's worth I hope they both come good. That we think N'Goy isn't good enough maybe, or not yet at least.
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Post by thegift on Feb 9, 2018 9:43:19 GMT
I would start campbell up front. We actually cant do any worse, we are seriously lacking pace.
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Post by lordb on Feb 9, 2018 10:06:54 GMT
Problem is its impossible to judge a player on U23 performances as the standard is so low. The old reserve football was a much better standard.
Campbell ahead of Berahino in the pecking order? No argument against that however I would rather Jese, Ramadan and Crouch on the bench ahead of either.
Having said that if Campbell makes the bench and gets in the crowd would be right behind him.
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Post by thegift on Feb 9, 2018 10:12:27 GMT
Problem is its impossible to judge a player on U23 performances as the standard is so low. The old reserve football was a much better standard. Campbell ahead of Berahino in the pecking order? No argument against that however I would rather Jese, Ramadan and Crouch on the bench ahead of either. Having said that if Campbell makes the bench and gets in the crowd would be right behind him. Jese i can imagine won't be fit.
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Post by BuzzB on Feb 9, 2018 10:17:25 GMT
Problem is its impossible to judge a player on U23 performances as the standard is so low. The old reserve football was a much better standard. Campbell ahead of Berahino in the pecking order? No argument against that however I would rather Jese, Ramadan and Crouch on the bench ahead of either. Having said that if Campbell makes the bench and gets in the crowd would be right behind him. Jese i can imagine won't be fit. Lambert has confirmed that Jese is in the squad tomorrow
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 9, 2018 10:18:34 GMT
Campbell seems "sharp" rather than someone with out and out pace.
Anyway, I'll be surprised to see him on the bench let alone starting a game any time soon no matter how highly I rate the kid. Diouf has to start tomorrow, that's the minimum.
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Post by nutterpotter on Feb 9, 2018 10:23:53 GMT
Judging by Lambert's comments yesterday, he's not going to be on the bench anytime soon. He trained with the kids yesterday as there were enough fit first team players.
Think next season will be his time.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 9, 2018 10:29:13 GMT
Judging by Lambert's comments yesterday, he's not going to be on the bench anytime soon. He trained with the kids yesterday as there were enough fit first team players. Think next season will be his time. Yeah - his comments seemed to pretty much close the door on the Campbell-bench talk. Shame as if we needed a goal in the last 15, I'd take a young, confident, eager-to-impress kid over Berahino any day. The crowd would have been massively up for it. But realistically if Diouf for Crouch is the only change in the XI - and Jese is going to be on the bench, he's not going to be amongst the 5 other outfield players if he's choosing from: Johnson Edwards BMI Stafylidis Wimmer Adam Fletcher Afellay Ireland Ramadan Berahino Campbell
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Post by nutterpotter on Feb 9, 2018 10:31:55 GMT
Judging by Lambert's comments yesterday, he's not going to be on the bench anytime soon. He trained with the kids yesterday as there were enough fit first team players. Think next season will be his time. Yeah - his comments seemed to pretty much close the door on the Campbell-bench talk. Shame as if we needed a goal in the last 15, I'd take a young, confident, eager-to-impress kid over Berahino any day. The crowd would have been massively up for it. But realistically if Diouf for Crouch is the only change in the XI - and Jese is going to be on the bench, he's not going to be amongst the 5 other outfield players if he's choosing from: Johnson Edwards BMI Stafylidis Wimmer Adam Fletcher Afellay Ireland Ramadan Berahino Campbell Exactly. Don't think people realise how big our squad is.
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Post by thegift on Feb 9, 2018 10:33:33 GMT
Yeah - his comments seemed to pretty much close the door on the Campbell-bench talk. Shame as if we needed a goal in the last 15, I'd take a young, confident, eager-to-impress kid over Berahino any day. The crowd would have been massively up for it. But realistically if Diouf for Crouch is the only change in the XI - and Jese is going to be on the bench, he's not going to be amongst the 5 other outfield players if he's choosing from: Johnson Edwards BMI Stafylidis Wimmer Adam Fletcher Afellay Ireland Ramadan Berahino Campbell Exactly. Don't think people realise how big our squad is. Afellay isn't getting a game either for some strange reason.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 9, 2018 10:34:36 GMT
Judging by Lambert's comments yesterday, he's not going to be on the bench anytime soon. He trained with the kids yesterday as there were enough fit first team players. Think next season will be his time. Yeah - his comments seemed to pretty much close the door on the Campbell-bench talk. Shame as if we needed a goal in the last 15, I'd take a young, confident, eager-to-impress kid over Berahino any day. The crowd would have been massively up for it. But realistically if Diouf for Crouch is the only change in the XI - and Jese is going to be on the bench, he's not going to be amongst the 5 other outfield players if he's choosing from: Johnson Edwards BMI Stafylidis Wimmer Adam Fletcher Afellay Ireland Ramadan Berahino Campbell Yeah the lift to the crowd of a raw Campbell coming on if we need something in the last 15 would offer stark contrast to the knowing, feet shuffling depression of Saido's number being held aloft.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 9, 2018 10:36:30 GMT
Maybe Saido won't be on the bench either and we'll just go with Crouch and Jese as the forward bench options?
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Post by thegift on Feb 9, 2018 10:36:47 GMT
Maybe Saido won't be on the bench either and we'll just go with Crouch and Jese as the forward bench options? Crouch god no. NO
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Post by stokeramblers on Feb 9, 2018 10:47:52 GMT
Maybe Saido won't be on the bench either and we'll just go with Crouch and Jese as the forward bench options? Crouch god no. NO You wouldn’t have Crouch on the bench even..? Don’t get me wrong he shouldn’t be starting but throughout his career he’s proved he can be a very handy sub. Who would you rather see come on if we needed a goal in the last 10 mins. Berahino or Crouch?
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Post by miggo on Feb 9, 2018 10:55:14 GMT
My point wasn't that we should let either go it was more around Ngoy doing well getting promoted and now seemingly rotting away in no mans land, until his loan at least. What does it say about us if we then promote Campbell above Ngoy ? For me Ngoy should have been given far more chance this season to prove his worth for what it's worth I hope they both come good. That we think N'Goy isn't good enough maybe, or not yet at least. Or that we are happy to have youth doing well up until a certain standard in the u23 and then let them go. Ngoy was doing just as well as Campbell is now but everybody seems to have forgotten that in all fairness Campbell looks slightly better as he is quicker but he only got promoted to the u23 at the beginning of the year whilst NGoy has had a full year at that level, made his debut (out of position) and then scored on his debut for a league team a lot higher standard than the u23. I get the excitement for Campbell I really do but Ngoy has proven he is as good and let's not forget that we beat a lot of big European teams to get him here due to beswicks, I get that all to familiar feeling coming along that we will let him go and we will regret it similar to Ben Foster and De Laet who have both proven to be decent players. I suppose what I'm getting too is let's not get too excited about Campbell as we've already have a player who's just as good at that level not being given his chance despite being with the first team all year.
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Post by thegift on Feb 9, 2018 10:56:16 GMT
You wouldn’t have Crouch on the bench even..? Don’t get me wrong he shouldn’t be starting but throughout his career he’s proved he can be a very handy sub. Who would you rather see come on if we needed a goal in the last 10 mins. Berahino or Crouch? I read this wrong. I thought it said starting, my bad. I would defo have crouch on the bench.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 9, 2018 11:14:53 GMT
Odd the way Hughes treated Crouch. Personally I would have rarely started him but I would always have him on the bench as a plan B option. Yet, towards the end of his tenure, Hughes did the reverse and usually started him for no clear reason that I could see. Starting with Crouch always meant that the attack lacked pace and there was a tendency to miss out the midfield and go for the long ball up to the target man. Trouble is when Crouch was the only striker on the team there was usually no one close enough to benefit from the times he won the ball in an advanced position.
Brought on late as a sub in an attempt to change the game he usually had a strike partner and (hopefully) a wide player who could cross the ball and so he looked more effective.
Quite bizarre how Hughes (a superb attacking player in his day) could not see how Crouch, as a lone striker with no pace, limited us when he started games.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 9, 2018 11:28:40 GMT
Odd the way Hughes treated Crouch. Personally I would have rarely started him but I would always have him on the bench as a plan B option. Yet, towards the end of his tenure, Hughes did the reverse and usually started him for no clear reason that I could see. Starting with Crouch always meant that the attack lacked pace and there was a tendency to miss out the midfield and go for the long ball up to the target man. Trouble is when Crouch was the only striker on the team there was usually no one close enough to benefit from the times he won the ball in an advanced position. Brought on late as a sub in an attempt to change the game he usually had a strike partner and (hopefully) a wide player who could cross the ball and so he looked more effective. Quite bizarre how Hughes (a superb attacking player in his day) could not see how Crouch, as a lone striker with no pace, limited us when he started games. It did for TP too. And now Lambert has reverted to it, only for one game I know but with how we want to press Crouch should never have been an option. It's weird.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 9, 2018 11:35:53 GMT
I think looking to Campbell to save us is about as last ditch as you can get
Reminds of the days of Brian Bithell as a replacement for Alan Hudson
I just think Crouch must have an amazing charisma in the dressing room for him to get on the pitch in a starting 11.
You would back any team in the Prem who starts with Crouch to go straight down.
Sunderland tried it with Defoe.
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Post by fca47 on Feb 9, 2018 11:37:44 GMT
Rashford stepped up to Man U squad, having not looked anything that special in their lower age squads. Whether they can step up you never know until they actually do it. Goalscoring is an art in itself, there have been some terrible footballers who have had the ability to put it in the net, for people old enough Malcolm Macdonald was a right donkey but knew where the net was.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 9, 2018 11:42:44 GMT
Rashford stepped up to Man U squad, having not looked anything that special in their lower age squads. Whether they can step up you never know until they actually do it. Goalscoring is an art in itself, there have been some terrible footballers who have had the ability to put it in the net, for people old enough Malcolm Macdonald was a right donkey but knew where the net was. That's true about Rashford. Some Stokies who saw him play for Man U against us at U18 level said he had not been a stand out player against us. I certainly would not want to RELY on Campbell getting us out of relegation trouble but I see no problem in giving him a chance to show what he can do. He certainly looks a better option than Berahino does ON CURRENT FORM.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 9, 2018 11:57:47 GMT
Assuming Diouf for Crouch is the only change, sadly there isn't going to be space for him if Crouch and Jese are nailed-on. Lambert doesn't seem to be giving it real consideration as it'd mean putting more senior noses out of joint.
Grant Jese Crouch
leaves 4 spots between:
Johnson Edwards Stafylidis BMI (if fit) Wimmer Adam Fletcher Afellay Ireland Ramadan Berahino Campbell
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Post by VolvicStokie on Feb 9, 2018 12:01:05 GMT
Assuming Diouf for Crouch is the only change, sadly there isn't going to be space for him if Crouch and Jese are nailed-on. Lambert doesn't seem to be giving it real consideration as it'd mean putting more senior noses out of joint. Grant Jese Crouch leaves 4 spots between: Johnson Edwards Stafylidis BMI (if fit) Wimmer Adam Fletcher Afellay Ireland Ramadan Berahino Campbell Stafylidis Adam Ramadan Campbell Johnson shouldn't be near it (we all know it, i dont care how well he's trained!" BMI - He's simply going to have to wait Wimmer - Hahahahaha Fletcher - See Wimmer Affelay - Looks like he's not going to ever get back into the side Ireland - See Affelay Berahino, See Wimmer, Fletcher, Affelay & Ireland. It would be great to get Campbell on the bench, and it'll make a few 'first teamers' on big money realise, that if they don't do the business, then tough shit. You're not even making the squad!
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 9, 2018 12:02:02 GMT
Assuming Diouf for Crouch is the only change, sadly there isn't going to be space for him if Crouch and Jese are nailed-on. Lambert doesn't seem to be giving it real consideration as it'd mean putting more senior noses out of joint. Grant Jese Crouch leaves 4 spots between: Johnson Edwards Stafylidis BMI (if fit) Wimmer Adam Fletcher Afellay Ireland Ramadan Berahino Campbell Also, if Cameron doesn't start he is a guaranteed member of the bench due to his versatility. I can see Adam coming back in for him tomorrow if he's recovered from his illness.
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Post by lordb on Feb 9, 2018 13:18:47 GMT
Exactly. Don't think people realise how big our squad is. Afellay isn't getting a game either for some strange reason. Lambert is going with 3 battlers in midfield to stem the goals against Afellay is a different type of player
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 9, 2018 13:22:31 GMT
Afellay should have never been given a new deal.
That's the only strange occurrence around Afellay.
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 9, 2018 13:39:04 GMT
Assuming Diouf for Crouch is the only change, sadly there isn't going to be space for him if Crouch and Jese are nailed-on. Lambert doesn't seem to be giving it real consideration as it'd mean putting more senior noses out of joint. Grant Jese Crouch leaves 4 spots between: Johnson Edwards Stafylidis BMI (if fit) Wimmer Adam Fletcher Afellay Ireland Ramadan Berahino Campbell For me, the other four are Martins Indi (Staffy, if BMI not fit), Adam, Ramadan and Campbell. We simply have to win this game so it makes sense to me to have a greater degree of attacking options at your disposal to change things. If injury causes a reshuffle, we always have Geoff already on the pitch who can cover a number of positions and switch mid-game, if necessary.
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Post by lordb on Feb 9, 2018 13:44:01 GMT
Assuming Diouf for Crouch is the only change, sadly there isn't going to be space for him if Crouch and Jese are nailed-on. Lambert doesn't seem to be giving it real consideration as it'd mean putting more senior noses out of joint. Grant Jese Crouch leaves 4 spots between: Johnson Edwards Stafylidis BMI (if fit) Wimmer Adam Fletcher Afellay Ireland Ramadan Berahino Campbell For me, the other four are Martins Indi (Staffy, if BMI not fit), Adam, Ramadan and Campbell. We simply have to win this game so it makes sense to me to have a greater degree of attacking options at your disposal to change things. If injury causes a reshuffle, we always have Geoff already on the pitch who can cover a number of positions and switch mid-game, if necessary. Providing Geoff's fitness holds up
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Post by thegift on Feb 9, 2018 13:53:35 GMT
Afellay isn't getting a game either for some strange reason. Lambert is going with 3 battlers in midfield to stem the goals against Afellay is a different type of player That's all well and good and till you have a pacy midfielder, who just runs past them.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 9, 2018 13:56:42 GMT
Assuming Diouf for Crouch is the only change, sadly there isn't going to be space for him if Crouch and Jese are nailed-on. Lambert doesn't seem to be giving it real consideration as it'd mean putting more senior noses out of joint. Grant Jese Crouch leaves 4 spots between: Johnson Edwards Stafylidis BMI (if fit) Wimmer Adam Fletcher Afellay Ireland Ramadan Berahino Campbell For me, the other four are Martins Indi (Staffy, if BMI not fit), Adam, Ramadan and Campbell. We simply have to win this game so it makes sense to me to have a greater degree of attacking options at your disposal to change things. If injury causes a reshuffle, we always have Geoff already on the pitch who can cover a number of positions and switch mid-game, if necessary. Lambert said "Jese comes back into the squad" but I took that to mean "he comes back into the matchday squad". As we all know, the matchday squad is bigger than the "match squad" and it wouldn't surprise me if that was Lambert simply telling everyone that he was back in the fold and available for selection. I don't see Jese being on the bench this week and if he is, it will be at the expense of Berahino I would have thought. The starting 11, I don't envisage changing from Bournemouth given that Lambert has said it was our best performance for some time, but I hope it is Diouf ahead of Crouch in the starting 11.
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