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Jan 17, 2018 9:01:06 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 17, 2018 9:01:06 GMT
It is very clear what will happen. He will be good cop this week as he seeks to get to know everyone whilst leaving them in no uncertain terms about what is expected of each and everyone of them.
Thursday and Friday he'll just drill them on the shape he wants in and out of possession and hopefully that will make us solid enough to get the result we need on Saturday.
Then we have a 10 day break until our next fixture and it is this period of time where fitness will be addressed if he feels it needs addressing.
Wonder what "scouse" is doing these days, our old fitness coach under pulis where muscle injuries were nearly non existent?
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Post by thegift on Jan 17, 2018 9:06:30 GMT
I reckon he will be nice as pie with them this week as he seeks to galvanise them enough to win on saturday. Then the hard work will start. I reckon they'll all go off to Dubai for some serious warm weather training and if there are fitness issues they'll be addressed in the 10 days post huddersfield and pre Watford. They can fuck right off. Dubai = recipe for disaster.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 17, 2018 9:11:06 GMT
Sadly they will struggle to improve fitness within a month . Utter tripe, Moyes did at West Ham. Stop being constantly negative on every thread man. West Ham’s first two result under Moyes 1 point from 6 I believe took time and even a dead cat bounce will here , why people suddenly expect us to tear into Huddersfield Off a defensive base of sold steel based on us playing a high pressing game with a 36 year sold centre forward , a 35 year old midfielder and bunch lost souls just leaves me a bit surprised
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Jan 17, 2018 9:14:16 GMT
The situation reminds me of the time when Lou Macari took over from Alan Ball, it soon became apparent how much fitter the team was in a relatively short period of time, I am hoping we will see something similar, but it really is disgraceful that fitness should be an issue with highly paid professionals.
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Jan 17, 2018 9:15:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 9:15:03 GMT
I reckon he will be nice as pie with them this week as he seeks to galvanise them enough to win on saturday. Then the hard work will start. I reckon they'll all go off to Dubai for some serious warm weather training and if there are fitness issues they'll be addressed in the 10 days post huddersfield and pre Watford. They can fuck right off. Dubai = recipe for disaster. It’s a perfect place to put them through their paces and work them hard.......
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 17, 2018 9:16:33 GMT
Utter tripe, Moyes did at West Ham. Stop being constantly negative on every thread man. West Ham’s first two result under Moyes 1 point from 6 I believe took time and even a dead cat bounce will here , why people suddenly expect us to tear into Huddersfield Off a defensive base of sold steel based on us playing a high pressing game with a 36 year sold centre forward , a 35 year old midfielder and bunch lost souls just leaves me a bit surprised Where have I said we're going to win on Saturday? Because I haven't. Neither have I said we're going to get the new manager bounce. What I have taken issue with is the fact you think he can't get the players fitter and although it took Moyes 2/3 weeks he's proven it is possible. You turn every thread, no matter what subject it is about, into the same point you've been bashing for what seems like years. You know what Benji? We heard you the first time around.
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Post by thegift on Jan 17, 2018 9:16:59 GMT
They can fuck right off. Dubai = recipe for disaster. It’s a perfect place to put them through their paces and work them hard....... Yes, you're right, i guess the last 5 times they have been its worked a fucking treat aint it!
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Jan 17, 2018 9:22:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 9:22:52 GMT
It’s a perfect place to put them through their paces and work them hard....... Yes, you're right, i guess the last 5 times they have been its worked a fucking treat aint it! On some occasions it did and other times it didn’t. But you do realise whether you have a week in Dubai or a week in a Butlins chalet in Minehead you’re not guaranteed to win your next game don’t you?
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Post by cerebralstokie on Jan 17, 2018 9:31:26 GMT
I think fitness is an issue. Some players cannot last 90 minutes. How many points have been dropped this season as a result of conceding goals in the last 5 minutes of the game? I never thought it a good idea to swan off to the Far East pre season rather than running up and down mountains in Austria.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 17, 2018 9:36:16 GMT
Sadly they will struggle to improve fitness within a month . West Ham seem to manage it with double sessions , one issue for us is our squad is older
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 10:02:59 GMT
Sadly they will struggle to improve fitness within a month . West Ham seem to manage it with double sessions , one issue for us is our squad is older West Ham's oldest starting XI this season averaged 29.7, as did our oldest starting XI (against Liverpool) Both teams are averaging 28.8 per game for the season. Newcastle have the lowest average age and West Brom the highest.....
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Post by redstriper on Jan 17, 2018 11:46:51 GMT
Interesting to note that bauer looked the fittest man on the park against manure. Our training methods won't yet have had any effect on him.
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Post by thegift on Jan 17, 2018 11:48:04 GMT
Yes, you're right, i guess the last 5 times they have been its worked a fucking treat aint it! On some occasions it did and other times it didn’t. But you do realise whether you have a week in Dubai or a week in a Butlins chalet in Minehead you’re not guaranteed to win your next game don’t you? It's never worked a treat. Name me a time its worked under Hughes
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 11:52:32 GMT
On some occasions it did and other times it didn’t. But you do realise whether you have a week in Dubai or a week in a Butlins chalet in Minehead you’re not guaranteed to win your next game don’t you? It's never worked a treat. Name me a time its worked under Hughes 2013/14 - Came back and lost 0-1 at Man City before going on a 5 match unbeaten run including a win at home to Arsenal and the 4-1 demolition of Villa at their place. 2014/15 - Came back and beat QPR with a John Walters hat-trick, our record thereafter was W7 D4 L5 and we finished 9th. 2015/16 - Came back and beat Villa an Newcastle and drew at Stamford Bridge Hope this helps......
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Post by thegift on Jan 17, 2018 11:54:11 GMT
It's never worked a treat. Name me a time its worked under Hughes 2014/15 - Came back and beat QPR with a John Walters hat-trick, our record thereafter was W7 D4 L5 and we finished 9th. Hope this helps...... As quoted by yourself... one game doesn't mean its worked/hasn't worked
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 11:57:35 GMT
2014/15 - Came back and beat QPR with a John Walters hat-trick, our record thereafter was W7 D4 L5 and we finished 9th. Hope this helps...... As quoted by yourself... one game doesn't mean its worked/hasn't worked The quote above is 16 games though at a ratio of 1.5 pts per game or 57 pts per season. What are you struggling here with, let me help you?
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Post by thegift on Jan 17, 2018 11:59:09 GMT
As quoted by yourself... one game doesn't mean its worked/hasn't worked The quote above is 16 games though at a ratio of 1.5 pts per game or 57 pts per season. What are you struggling here with, let me help you? What has points per game averaging across a season got to do with a single trip to dubai?
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Jan 17, 2018 11:59:39 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 17, 2018 11:59:39 GMT
On some occasions it did and other times it didn’t. But you do realise whether you have a week in Dubai or a week in a Butlins chalet in Minehead you’re not guaranteed to win your next game don’t you? It's never worked a treat. Name me a time its worked under Hughes It definitely worked in first 2 seasons. Who cares where or how they get fit so long as it happens?
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Post by thegift on Jan 17, 2018 12:02:06 GMT
It's never worked a treat. Name me a time its worked under Hughes It definitely worked in first 2 seasons. Who cares where or how they get fit so long as it happens? But Dave as a general rule it didn't with hughes
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Jan 17, 2018 12:06:34 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 17, 2018 12:06:34 GMT
It definitely worked in first 2 seasons. Who cares where or how they get fit so long as it happens? But Dave as a general rule it didn't with hughes We did it 4 times under Hughes. Twice we produced stronger results coming off the back of It, twice we didn't though we were decimated by injuries after the 3rd one having produced decent results in the immediate aftermath of the trip. 50/50 success rate is ok isn't It?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 17, 2018 12:06:52 GMT
On some occasions it did and other times it didn’t. But you do realise whether you have a week in Dubai or a week in a Butlins chalet in Minehead you’re not guaranteed to win your next game don’t you? It's never worked a treat. Name me a time its worked under Hughes Season before last just after Imbula signed, team looked dead beat after the LCsemi. Came back from the break beat Bournemouth, scraped results against Villa and Newcastle, drew with Arse {or Chelsea}. A run that rescued the season run in, 9th again. Not saying it was all down to a warm weather mid season break, but it did seem to give them a lift. Interesting to see what happens now Roden/periodisation has gone. In theory our approach should mean the players still have plenty in the tank 'stronger second halves' etc.
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Post by Davef on Jan 17, 2018 12:07:05 GMT
It definitely worked in first 2 seasons. Who cares where or how they get fit so long as it happens? But Dave as a general rule it didn't with hughes You said it NEVER worked a treat. Just as you said that Hughes NEVER turned up for training. Seriously, stop this rubbish.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Jan 17, 2018 12:07:24 GMT
It definitely worked in first 2 seasons. Who cares where or how they get fit so long as it happens? But Dave as a general rule it didn't with hughes As Prestwich Potter has tried (in vain it seems) to explain, it generally did.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 12:08:40 GMT
The quote above is 16 games though at a ratio of 1.5 pts per game or 57 pts per season. What are you struggling here with, let me help you? What has points per game averaging across a season got to do with a single trip to dubai? So I can't quote an individual game but I can't look beyond that either? I feel like I'm pissing in the wind here I'll be honest. I'm off to eat my Corned Beef sarnie........
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Post by thegift on Jan 17, 2018 12:09:16 GMT
But Dave as a general rule it didn't with hughes We did it 4 times under Hughes. Twice we produced stronger results coming off the back of It, twice we didn't though we were decimated by injuries after the 3rd one having produced decent results in the immediate aftermath of the trip. 50/50 success rate is ok isn't It? But a trip to dubai doesn't improve fitness. Get them doing some circuit training in the freezing cold.
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Jan 17, 2018 12:09:17 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 17, 2018 12:09:17 GMT
But Dave as a general rule it didn't with hughes You said it NEVER worked. Just as you said that Hughes NEVER turned up for training. Seriously, stop this rubbish. Is Hughes going to be like pulis? Gone but never truly gone?
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Jan 17, 2018 12:11:45 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 17, 2018 12:11:45 GMT
We did it 4 times under Hughes. Twice we produced stronger results coming off the back of It, twice we didn't though we were decimated by injuries after the 3rd one having produced decent results in the immediate aftermath of the trip. 50/50 success rate is ok isn't It? But a trip to dubai doesn't improve fitness. Get them doing some circuit training in the freezing cold. If Lambert perceives there to be a fitness issue I don't care where he takes them in an attempt to address It, so long as he addresses it. Dubai, Spain, Butlins, trentham gardens. Who really gives a shit?
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Post by thegift on Jan 17, 2018 12:12:43 GMT
But a trip to dubai doesn't improve fitness. Get them doing some circuit training in the freezing cold. If Lambert perceives there to be a fitness issue I don't care where he takes them in an attempt to address It, so long as he addresses it. Dubai, Spain, Butlins, trentham gardens. Who really gives a shit? Should they be rewarded by going to dubai for being unfit?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 12:13:27 GMT
But a trip to dubai doesn't improve fitness. Get them doing some circuit training in the freezing cold. If Lambert perceives there to be a fitness issue I don't care where he takes them in an attempt to address It, so long as he addresses it. Dubai, Spain, Butlins, trentham gardens. Who really gives a shit? But it's warm and they go out for a day at the races and eat nice food Dave. Far better to send them to a static caravan in Barnmouth it's all they deserve......
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Jan 17, 2018 12:17:30 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 17, 2018 12:17:30 GMT
If Lambert perceives there to be a fitness issue I don't care where he takes them in an attempt to address It, so long as he addresses it. Dubai, Spain, Butlins, trentham gardens. Who really gives a shit? Should they be rewarded by going to dubai for being unfit? No but they should be rewarded for conveniently going out at the first hurdle of the FA Cup to Coventry in exactly the same way Tony pulis rewarded his team for losing to hartlepool at the same stage the last time we were involved in a relegation battle....that's right, with a warm weather training break to Dubai that involved 3 training sessions per day and little breaks that gave them a round of golf, a trip to the night races and a meal out just for the players. Make you feel better now?
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