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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 13, 2018 21:21:00 GMT
Why are so many portraying Roy Keane as some sort of madman? He's probably aware he's made some mistakes in his managerial career and learnt from them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2018 21:21:01 GMT
Why is it bizarre? There is the middle ground. One that seems to work for most. Because the bullying thing is just cliched nonsense. Has Keane been done for assaulting any of the players in his charge? Was Sir Alex renowned for tip toeing round the feelings of his players? It’s worthless stuff. Why is it? There's some pretty unsavoury stories out there that's for sure.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 13, 2018 21:23:09 GMT
I don't think the club will be in a position to offer anyone else enough to take Kevin Wimmer off our hands.
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Post by tony1234 on Jan 13, 2018 21:23:52 GMT
Will they learn the mistake of Imbula with Wimmer? He wasn't good enough (or should say more accurately he wasn't going to cut it for a variety of reasons)... I suspect there was perhaps a moment or time when the likes of Torino and Galatasaray would have paid £10m, £12m.... But now, what could we get?
Wimmer was never worth more than £5m really. He was a £3m player that didn't cut it at Tottenham. Nothing but inflation justified a price hike. So, does our loss just inevitably get worse the longer we keep him, until ultimately he ends up destroyed by fans, demoralised, depressed, benched, loaned out and let to rot in the French second division or at St Pauli? Or is there hope?
Its not my money, but it feels like Stoke need an amnesty as we carry around so much financial burden from our three expensive flops - someone to pay off Saido, Wimper and Imbula so they vanish for good and leave us with £150k-£200k worth of wages for another 2 good players.
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Post by wuzza on Jan 13, 2018 21:43:33 GMT
Because the bullying thing is just cliched nonsense. Has Keane been done for assaulting any of the players in his charge? Was Sir Alex renowned for tip toeing round the feelings of his players? It’s worthless stuff. Why is it? There's some pretty unsavoury stories out there that's for sure. I’m sure there - as indeed there will be about hundreds of players and coaches. Football is that kind of environment. ONeill is a fairly intelligent bloke and he wouldnt employ an idiot just for the sake of a ‘hard man’ reputation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 21:51:28 GMT
MON and Roy wouldn’t be my choice but from what I’ve seen of late we need organisation, discipline and motivation (our squad is good enough to stay up... just ).
O’Neil can certainly organise and if you can’t get motivated by Keane your probably dead. If he says run you run !
Long term the pairing already bores me, short term it might just work.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2018 21:54:30 GMT
Shaq will cry and think he's seen a monster when he meets Royston.
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Post by blackpoolred on Jan 13, 2018 21:55:24 GMT
When the team you play for has just been hit for 5 and you are the most expensive defensive player that club has ever signed, you don't hang around laughing and joking with the opposing team and fans and later admit you gave up - you feck off to the changing room as quick as possible in utter embarrassment with head hung low and come out with all guns firing in the next game.
Keane would have taken his shorts down on the pitch and smacked his arse and that would have been the least he deserved. Some of our own players are saying we lack characters and mental strength and that overpaid twat epitomises everything that is wrong with our club at the moment.
MON and Keane no what type of characters they need for a relegation battle and I would have thought he would be the 1st out the door
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 13, 2018 22:13:11 GMT
I'd be happy with Doris Day for the rest of the season if she got rid of Wimmer.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 13, 2018 22:56:29 GMT
We appear to have a squad of spineless and sensitive footballers. Now part of me agrees that this bunch of charlatans need someone like to Keane to grab them round the throat and bully the fucking life out of them but another part of me is convinced that the cowardly bunch we have accumulated will retreat further into their shells and be frightened to death on the playing field. I happen to think Keane is the worst thing this group of players need, we just want someone calm and level headed who can organise a defence.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 13, 2018 23:05:33 GMT
I am confident that the Kevin Wimmer transfer will be investigated at some point.
There is no reason why anyone would pay 18 million quid for him. Something really fishy about this transfer.
He looks like a fat pub team player
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Post by lordb on Jan 13, 2018 23:10:53 GMT
He's a good defender when fit and given instructions. They will hopefully get a player out of him. He's definitely carrying some timber
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Post by lordb on Jan 13, 2018 23:11:38 GMT
We appear to have a squad of spineless and sensitive footballers. Now part of me agrees that this bunch of charlatans need someone like to Keane to grab them round the throat and bully the fucking life out of them but another part of me is convinced that the cowardly bunch we have accumulated will retreat further into their shells and be frightened to death on the playing field. I happen to think Keane is the worst thing this group of players need, we just want someone calm and level headed who can organise a defence. Martin O'Neill. Done it his entire career.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 13, 2018 23:14:23 GMT
I bet we won't see some of our stupid fucking idiot players liking tweets from opponents after they've handed our arses to us once keane is here.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 13, 2018 23:18:03 GMT
We appear to have a squad of spineless and sensitive footballers. Now part of me agrees that this bunch of charlatans need someone like to Keane to grab them round the throat and bully the fucking life out of them but another part of me is convinced that the cowardly bunch we have accumulated will retreat further into their shells and be frightened to death on the playing field. I happen to think Keane is the worst thing this group of players need, we just want someone calm and level headed who can organise a defence. Martin O'Neill. Done it his entire career. I could cope with MON (just), but Keane is different. It maybe works at international level when the players and coaching staff only get together for a couple of days every couple of months but Keane playing the psycho every day week in week out could well crush some of the mardarses in the squad.
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Post by turtlefox on Jan 13, 2018 23:20:23 GMT
Still give him time. They might kick some guts into him.
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Jan 13, 2018 23:41:16 GMT
What a load of bollocks on here! Keane is nothing more than a cowardly thug who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a football stadium!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 0:01:45 GMT
Why is it? There's some pretty unsavoury stories out there that's for sure. I’m sure there - as indeed there will be about hundreds of players and coaches. Football is that kind of environment. ONeill is a fairly intelligent bloke and he wouldnt employ an idiot just for the sake of a ‘hard man’ reputation. Trained as a Lawyer didn't he?
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Jan 14, 2018 0:08:48 GMT
Martin O'Neill. Done it his entire career. I could cope with MON (just), but Keane is different. It maybe works at international level when the players and coaching staff only get together for a couple of days every couple of months but Keane playing the psycho every day week in week out could well crush some of the mardarses in the squad. Do you mean creative players? Yeah, we don't want any of them do we?
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 14, 2018 4:11:38 GMT
Everyone has been moaning that we need to change and now suddenly they are frightened that some of our players are going to be ‘bullied’ into changing - bizarre. You can't treat people like he is known to have done and reasonably expect a positive response.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 4:26:12 GMT
Is Wimmer our 1st defender we have signed that is scared of the ball. He seems to do everything possible to avoid it.
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Post by hanibal7 on Jan 14, 2018 6:32:51 GMT
Cant see keane being able put up with wimmer for ten minutes he'll kill him I honestly think he might be gone before the end of the month if keane comes in Ridiculous post
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Post by winfos on Jan 14, 2018 6:43:33 GMT
Why all this negatively for Wimmer? I hope he gets the chance to prove a few idiots wrong here. He's a young lad who came to stoke at a terrible time,he needs a leader and probably an arm round him.
Forget me if I'm wrong but wasn't TP desperate for this lad too? And if nothing else he has an eye for a defender.
Talk about about Stoke losing its identity, the biggest problem for me is some of the idiot support who constantly need a boo boy or someone be made a scapegoat, is this the same club I've grown up loving and supporting? Some total fuckin morons on here lately, I dread taking my kids 5 and 7 to matches now, doom and gloom merchants everywhere, I grew up where players who were playing poor or average where given even more support, Jesus wept we made kyle lightbourne and and Justin whittle like cult hero's but I suppose that was before the hangers on joined
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jan 14, 2018 6:45:25 GMT
Cause he cost £18 mil and he’s fucking useless.
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Post by s7oke on Jan 14, 2018 6:50:06 GMT
Why all this negatively for Wimmer? I hope he gets the chance to prove a few idiots wrong here. He's a young lad who came to stoke at a terrible time,he needs a leader and probably an arm round him. Forget me if I'm wrong but wasn't TP desperate for this lad too? And if nothing else he has an eye for a defender. Talk about about Stoke losing its identity, the biggest problem for me is some of the idiot support who constantly need a boo boy or someone be made a scapegoat, is this the same club I've grown up loving and supporting? Some total fuckin morons on here lately, I dread taking my kids 5 and 7 to matches now, doom and gloom merchants everywhere, I grew up where players who were playing poor or average where given even more support, Jesus wept we made kyle lightbourne and and Justin whittle like cult hero's but I suppose that was before the hangers on joined You won’t get round us that easily Kevin 😂😂😂
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Post by winfos on Jan 14, 2018 6:52:47 GMT
Fucking useless? Yeah he's not played brilliant but who has he's been more consistent than zoom or shawcross,
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Post by TexasPotter on Jan 14, 2018 6:58:02 GMT
Fucking useless? Yeah he's not played brilliant but who has he's been more consistent than zoom or shawcross, 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by s7oke on Jan 14, 2018 6:58:45 GMT
Fucking useless? Yeah he's not played brilliant but who has he's been more consistent than zoom or shawcross, More consistently wank and lazy yes I would agree !!!
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 14, 2018 7:07:12 GMT
Why all this negatively for Wimmer? I hope he gets the chance to prove a few idiots wrong here. He's a young lad who came to stoke at a terrible time,he needs a leader and probably an arm round him. Forget me if I'm wrong but wasn't TP desperate for this lad too? And if nothing else he has an eye for a defender. Talk about about Stoke losing its identity, the biggest problem for me is some of the idiot support who constantly need a boo boy or someone be made a scapegoat, is this the same club I've grown up loving and supporting? Some total fuckin morons on here lately, I dread taking my kids 5 and 7 to matches now, doom and gloom merchants everywhere, I grew up where players who were playing poor or average where given even more support, Jesus wept we made kyle lightbourne and and Justin whittle like cult hero's but I suppose that was before the hangers on joined I've got kids too and i'd never let them see Kevin Wimmer play. Shame on you! :-)
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Post by thegift on Jan 14, 2018 7:09:10 GMT
Why all this negatively for Wimmer? I hope he gets the chance to prove a few idiots wrong here. He's a young lad who came to stoke at a terrible time,he needs a leader and probably an arm round him. Forget me if I'm wrong but wasn't TP desperate for this lad too? And if nothing else he has an eye for a defender. Talk about about Stoke losing its identity, the biggest problem for me is some of the idiot support who constantly need a boo boy or someone be made a scapegoat, is this the same club I've grown up loving and supporting? Some total fuckin morons on here lately, I dread taking my kids 5 and 7 to matches now, doom and gloom merchants everywhere, I grew up where players who were playing poor or average where given even more support, Jesus wept we made kyle lightbourne and and Justin whittle like cult hero's but I suppose that was before the hangers on joined If it is you posting this kevin, fuck off somewhere else, you lazy cocksucker.
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