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Post by spitshaw on Jan 12, 2018 19:42:46 GMT
I said at the beginning of this campaign that Hughes would live or die by Berahinos' performances. Unfortunately I am correct. (not a look at me comment) If you have to say its not a look at me comment, its a look at me comment
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Post by generationex on Jan 12, 2018 19:46:32 GMT
The players that let him down - to a man - were the ones he signed. The problem was never Peter Crouch. Wasn't it, I can't remember the last time he had a good game, he was as much a part of it as anyone else. He’s been here years - and he was getting on when he got here. A great 10 million buy. But not a buy to buy incompetent recruitment teams more time.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 12, 2018 19:53:28 GMT
Trouble is we went from shit to really shit when Crouchy was returned to the starting line up.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 12, 2018 20:29:14 GMT
By forcing his way into the starting 11, he arguably tried too hard.
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Post by jarvinski on Jan 12, 2018 20:33:38 GMT
Dieuf is a fucking joke as a striker, head like a 50p piece
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jan 12, 2018 20:36:49 GMT
Dieuf is a fucking joke as a striker, head like a 50p piece I love this 'Diouf is shite' 'Diouf will never make a footballer' 'Diouf is pathetic, how is he a professional footballer'.......and yet the guy is still our top scorer in a single premier league season (no pens either!!!), yeah, he is really shit!
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jan 12, 2018 20:41:40 GMT
Dieuf is a fucking joke as a striker, head like a 50p piece And hes our joint top scorer this season, from fooking wing-back. So shit this lad.
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 12, 2018 20:41:41 GMT
Good, they needed telling what they were. He must have known he was fucked after that match, as if he wasn't after Castle, and gave them the final send off they deserved. I'm not defending the players in any way but if they were half as demoralised as the fan base I'm amazed they could be arsed put their boots on Trigger pulled a year too late, the summer at least Lets say £50k a week average. Im out of bed at 5 am and at em. Suppose they don't give a shit these days
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 12, 2018 20:44:34 GMT
Dieuf is a fucking joke as a striker, head like a 50p piece I love this 'Diouf is shite' 'Diouf will never make a footballer' 'Diouf is pathetic, how is he a professional footballer'.......and yet the guy is still our top scorer in a single premier league season (no pens either!!!), yeah, he is really shit! He's obviously got his limitations but people keep banging on about how we don't create chances for Berahino yet when Diouf is played as a striker he creates as many chances for himself in one game than Berahino has in total games.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 12, 2018 20:47:16 GMT
Wasn't it, I can't remember the last time he had a good game, he was as much a part of it as anyone else. He’s been here years - and he was getting on when he got here. A great 10 million buy. But not a buy to buy incompetent recruitment teams more time. A better player for Hughes than for the bloke who bought him.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jan 12, 2018 20:49:32 GMT
I love this 'Diouf is shite' 'Diouf will never make a footballer' 'Diouf is pathetic, how is he a professional footballer'.......and yet the guy is still our top scorer in a single premier league season (no pens either!!!), yeah, he is really shit! He's obviously got his limitations but people keep banging on about how we don't create chances for Berahino yet when Diouf is played as a striker he creates as many chances for himself in one game than Berahino has in total games. The guy will always create chances for himself and others as he works his nads off and pressures defenders, and he has got something no other striker has in the squad......pace. He will always miss chances, but the guy will always get chances due to his persistence. I feel sorry for him, as Hughes has criminally under-used him the last 2 seasons.
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 12, 2018 20:52:45 GMT
Pulis tried to get Crouch before he went Soton and you can see why. Crouch is a legend at Stoke not just because of what he has achieved stats wise but because of his undoubted positivity and popularity in the dressing room
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Post by mrred on Jan 12, 2018 21:49:41 GMT
Unlike most of the squad, Pete can sleep soundly knowing he's given everything for this club, and continues to do so. A top professional and a club legend as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 12, 2018 21:55:35 GMT
Unlike most of the squad, Pete can sleep soundly knowing he's given everything for this club, and continues to do so. A top professional and a club legend as far as I'm concerned. Without doubt one of our best value for money signings since we have been in the PL, to old to be an effective starting option now but that is not his fault, that is down to the shit recruitment under Hughes he even turned to Crouch to try to get him out of the hole he dug for himself, thankfully in many ways it did not work.
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Post by harrysburrow on Jan 12, 2018 22:01:28 GMT
Sometimes it's difficult to figure who's actually putting a proper shift in? Crouch and Allen clearly do? Then there's players like Pieters and Diouf who I think also do, but this effort is masked by the fact that they are shite?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 12, 2018 22:01:28 GMT
Wasn't it, I can't remember the last time he had a good game, he was as much a part of it as anyone else. He’s been here years - and he was getting on when he got here. A great 10 million buy. But not a buy to buy incompetent recruitment teams more time. He's been okay but that doesn't mean he hasn't been poor recently.
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Post by Ygor on Jan 12, 2018 23:46:54 GMT
I'm a bit fed up with the number of football professionals that have jumped to the defence of Mark Hughes and his backroom staff, telling us how talented they are/were, and how sorry they are (Crouchy included) at what has happened to them.
I've heard it on Sky, MOT, in the papers, the internet etc. But not one has offered to tell us why, if they were/are so talented, what has gone wrong at Stoke. Why is that then? Why did this "very talented" coaching team fail so miserably at Stoke?
What I can't wait to find out is what happens over the next 4-5 games (hopefully) under a new manager. Because after what happened to Mourinho at Chelsea a while back, Koeman at Everton, Shakespeare at Leicester, and Bilic at West Ham, I think there's reasonable evidence to suggest that so called "player power" may have been evident due to the drastic turn around in performances once the manager had been sacked. Many of you will put it down to the influence of the new manager but I'm afraid I don't entirely buy that.
The Stoke players can seemingly bleat all they like about how sorry they are to see MH go but if they suddenly start performing a shed load better from now on (which I honestly hope they do), I'm not sure I will buy in to the idea that it's all down to the new manager.
There was/is something very wrong down at Stoke and I've no doubt that someone down there knows exactly where the problem(s) lay/lie. They just can't tell us for political reasons. I doubt we will ever know and I suppose we shouldn't care if we now start to achieve the results necessary to keep us up.
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Post by hanibal7 on Jan 13, 2018 6:35:17 GMT
Yes I believe he did. The selling of Walters and Josulu, playing Diouf at wing back and the utter disastrous Berahino signing meant he had to start games at the age of 36 which was ridiculous. I really liked Joselu and couldn't believe we sold him not replaced him or bought in a wingback to free up Diouf! Crackers Is this the same Joselu that the so called fantastic manager at Castle bought and has dropped him cos he is shit
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 6:46:56 GMT
Honestly i think the resorting to people like Crouch is what finished Hughes. All our best football under Hughes has been with either some pace up front (Bojan/Diouf) or at least some mobility and strength (Walters).
In December 2016, when Hughes shat himself for the first time and decided that we'd be a hoofball team from then on, that's when he lost it as manager of our club. Crouch might try hard and it's not his fault but the plodders ruined Hughes, not the flair.
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 13, 2018 7:35:56 GMT
I'm a bit fed up with the number of football professionals that have jumped to the defence of Mark Hughes and his backroom staff, telling us how talented they are/were, and how sorry they are (Crouchy included) at what has happened to them. I've heard it on Sky, MOT, in the papers, the internet etc. But not one has offered to tell us why, if they were/are so talented, what has gone wrong at Stoke. Why is that then? Why did this "very talented" coaching team fail so miserably at Stoke? What I can't wait to find out is what happens over the next 4-5 games (hopefully) under a new manager. Because after what happened to Mourinho at Chelsea a while back, Koeman at Everton, Shakespeare at Leicester, and Bilic at West Ham, I think there's reasonable evidence to suggest that so called "player power" may have been evident due to the drastic turn around in performances once the manager had been sacked. Many of you will put it down to the influence of the new manager but I'm afraid I don't entirely buy that. The Stoke players can seemingly bleat all they like about how sorry they are to see MH go but if they suddenly start performing a shed load better from now on (which I honestly hope they do), I'm not sure I will buy in to the idea that it's all down to the new manager. There was/is something very wrong down at Stoke and I've no doubt that someone down there knows exactly where the problem(s) lay/lie. They just can't tell us for political reasons. I doubt we will ever know and I suppose we shouldn't care if we now start to achieve the results necessary to keep us up. But you haven heard from EVERY player. Some will genuinely be gutted hughes has gone, on the other hand there will be people delighted. You’ve only heard from a small sample which won’t give a true reflection imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 8:32:06 GMT
Has Crouch even got close to the oppositions goal since he’s been starting lately?
He’s also not exactly terrifying to defenders, due to no pace and generally being weak as piss.
Also a decent player but this is the only club that hasn’t got rid of him when they realise the team suffers when he plays.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 8:35:32 GMT
Dieuf is a fucking joke as a striker, head like a 50p piece I love this 'Diouf is shite' 'Diouf will never make a footballer' 'Diouf is pathetic, how is he a professional footballer'.......and yet the guy is still our top scorer in a single premier league season (no pens either!!!), yeah, he is really shit! His technical ability is shit. Probably worst in the league. Yes he runs around a lot and causes a bit of chaos but I’m pretty sure his legs are not controlled by his brain, also if any other striker missed as many chances as him they’d be slaughtered. Needs replacing along with the remaining forwards.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 8:41:09 GMT
Sometimes it's difficult to figure who's actually putting a proper shift in? Crouch and Allen clearly do? Then there's players like Pieters and Diouf who I think also do, but this effort is masked by the fact that they are shite? Diouf is not shite. He has been played at right back most of the season and parts of last, all of pre season and his training program would have been built around playing in that position. He hasn't been that sharp up front probably because he hasn't done much shooting practice. He always puts 110% in and is not the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 9:55:22 GMT
I really liked Joselu and couldn't believe we sold him not replaced him or bought in a wingback to free up Diouf! Crackers Is this the same Joselu that the so called fantastic manager at Castle bought and has dropped him cos he is shit Haha probably! I just think he gave us more options to play to than Two Metre Peter does at times. Not saying he's better, just different
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 13, 2018 10:10:39 GMT
Is this the same Joselu that the so called fantastic manager at Castle bought and has dropped him cos he is shit Haha probably! I just think he gave us more options to play to than Two Metre Peter does at times. Not saying he's better, just different He'd still have been a better option than Berahinogoals.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2018 10:19:47 GMT
He’s been here years - and he was getting on when he got here. A great 10 million buy. But not a buy to buy incompetent recruitment teams more time. A better player for Hughes than for the bloke who bought him. His goals per game ratio for Pulis was better than it was for Hughes, Rob and those 14 goals in his first season doesn't seem like its going to be beaten any time soon.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jan 13, 2018 10:31:57 GMT
Dieuf is a fucking joke as a striker, head like a 50p piece You have to despair when you read this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 11:36:32 GMT
Haha probably! I just think he gave us more options to play to than Two Metre Peter does at times. Not saying he's better, just different He'd stills have been a better option than Berahinogoals. Unfortunately a case of putting all our eggs in one basket and finding the basket (Berahino) having no bottom! Would love him to come good under QSF
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 11:51:12 GMT
I think half of Hughes’ problem is he didn’t have enough players in the squad who knew they were guaranteed a start under him. Other than Butland and Allen, did anyone know if they worked hard enough they’d be guaranteed 90 minutes? Maybe Pieters?
I’m not saying you can’t rotate. I’m thinking of an example of someone who seems more popular with his players than he deserves to be based on actual success like Klopp... he does use rotation but enough of the key members in the squad know if they work hard for him they’ll play in the vast majority of games. Or Mourinho for example, he’s hardly the most cheerful man nowadays but most of his key players seem to fight for him, because they know where they stand.
Obviously they are extreme examples, but there didn’t seem enough players who feel they owe anything to Hughes when things started getting a little tough. Maybe he just made the mistake of trying to please all of the squad and avoid the ‘favourites’ tag other managers have fallen foul of
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