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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 13:51:39 GMT
It's a hugely attractive job. Many agents have been in touch with the club from all over the world in the last month or so. This is embarrassing man, no one thinks you are itk
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 7, 2018 13:52:25 GMT
It's a hugely attractive job. Many agents have been in touch with the club from all over the world in the last month or so. If it's so attractive why can't we get Rodgers then?
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Post by Billybigbollox on Jan 7, 2018 13:59:14 GMT
Utd away is a freebie for any new manager, if they’re in post by then. Whoever comes in is going to have to unravel the shambles that has been created over the last 18 months. Probably starting with a little defensive coaching and raising confidence in those that have talent but have become stifled in recent times. I don’t think the club’s strategy has been a good one, but even they must be able to see that money needs to be spent in this window or we are fucked. You are right though, this lot would struggle in the Championship. This lot wont be playing in the championship. We would lose Butland, Allen, Wimmer, Bruno, Shaqiri, Choupo, Berahino, Ramadan, Fletcher, Shawcross at the very least SGS Yes of course. A lot of them will be gone next year whether we go down or not. Wimmer, Berahino, Ramadan and Fletcher look more like Championship players than Premiership ones anyway.
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Post by Hong Kong Stokie on Jan 7, 2018 16:18:27 GMT
Another retarded post hahahaha ...... Its gold-dust you idiot.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 16:22:06 GMT
The board need to get this decision right. Is Terry Connor available?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 7, 2018 16:36:46 GMT
Utd away is a freebie for any new manager, if they’re in post by then. Whoever comes in is going to have to unravel the shambles that has been created over the last 18 months. Probably starting with a little defensive coaching and raising confidence in those that have talent but have become stifled in recent times. I don’t think the club’s strategy has been a good one, but even they must be able to see that money needs to be spent in this window or we are fucked. You are right though, this lot would struggle in the Championship. This lot wont be playing in the championship. We would lose Butland, Allen, Wimmer, Bruno, Shaqiri, Choupo, Berahino, Ramadan, Fletcher, Shawcross at the very least SGS Butland 30 mill Allen 25 mill Wimmer. 7 mill Bruno 12 mill Shaq. 15 mil Choupo. 12 mill Berra. 10 mill Rama 12 mill Fletcher. Shawcross. 10 mill 133 million incoming. Best part of 30 million a year saved on wages This relegation lark don't look to bad on paper
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Post by cousindupree on Jan 7, 2018 16:40:55 GMT
The requirement of a scfc manager to work under the club's strategy for self sufficiency will clearly rule out quite a few interested parties particularly if they take a look at the existing squad. We were fortunate that Hughes, in need of a job, was prepared to work under such restrictions and I think we were lucky he was available. I don't see another high profile manager of Hughes' calibre out there.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 7, 2018 16:44:25 GMT
Its very attractive to an up and coming manager at a club that isn't matching their ambitions (e.g. Jokanovic at Fulham) or ex-Premiership managers with something to prove (e.g. Gary Monk). It isn't attractive to managers who see themselves as a "top" manager - which would rule out the likes of Benitez, Rogers and pretty much all the high quality overseas managers.
Rowett is an interesting one - does he stick or twist? Big call for him personally.
I'm sure one of the reasons the club wanted to stick with Hughes is that if he managed to keep us up we would have had a far bigger field of promising candidates to look at in the summer. As it is we've massively reduced our options and the timing has probably put the club back 4 or 5 years in terms of its long term development.
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Post by jeycov on Jan 7, 2018 16:50:12 GMT
I keep hearing/reading in the media and from experts just what a great 'gig' the Stoke job would be for the right person. But is that really true? If I were to look at it cynically then essentially the successful candidate is invited to 'administer the last rites' as our inevitable descent in to the Championship approaches terminal velocity and then attempt to somehow assemble a promotion outfit in the face of the twin barriers of a shit load of high wage players we can't move on and a Board with a mantra of 'break even'. I mean no one escapes the Championship in those circumstances. Oh, and the first game is Manchester United away, so you might want to delay your start date... Descent into the championship is not yet inevitable is it ! Its definitely possible but if we get a bounce from the introduction of a new manager we have a half decent chance of hanging on in. Right now we should be optimistic about our chances and get behind whoever comes in, if it doesn't work out then it becomes clearer that the board have a a much bigger portion of blame to carry than has already been levelled at them. Those of us that wanted Hughes gone have had our way, now it's time to back our team more than ever. Ideally someone with experience of managing and succeeding in the lower half of the Premiership - maybe a joint approach Moyes / Pearce combination is working
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 7, 2018 16:56:03 GMT
Very attractive to one of the "experienced" failed middle aged managers who is looking for a comfortable position, where the only serious objective is staying in the Prem.
Less attractive to a younger ambitious manager wanting the next step on the ladder and a reasonable budget. (Those who think we have no money to spend should remember we bought Shaqiri, Imbula, Allen, Berahino, and Wimmer for a combined serious amount of money.)
Not attractive at all to a manager who thinks his next step is (back) to a Champions League club and spending mega-bucks, like Rogers, Raffa, Koeman, Mancini etc.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jan 7, 2018 16:56:22 GMT
Would have been much more attractive 6 months ago Yes, that's my point. It's gone from an attractive Premier League long-termer to 'Who fancies a relegation dog fight and there is only a 50/50 chance it will be top flight job at all after that'. It is what it is but it's not what it was, nothing like. Put yourself in Gary Rowett's shoes, if the league ended today Derby are a Premier League team and Stoke a Championship club. You can see why it's not a 'no brainer' for him or anyone else. That's some serious trollin' even by your standards, Gods Luckily the league doesn't end today, infact we're barely halfway through it, and as it stands Stoke City are a Premier League football club with a very loyal chairman. Derby County are a Championship football club & have had more managers in recent years than Soft Mick.
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Post by exiledpotter on Jan 7, 2018 17:10:24 GMT
The choice of new manager will also depend on the plan they outline at the interview ... as we all know they will want a budget but they might also want to make other changes (scouting, how transfers are done etc) that some in the club are less keen on.
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Post by Ygor on Jan 7, 2018 17:16:16 GMT
The choice of new manager will also depend on the plan they outline at the interview ... as we all know they will want a budget but they might also want to make other changes (scouting, how transfers are done etc) that some in the club are less keen on. You think there's a plan?
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Post by exiledpotter on Jan 7, 2018 17:22:43 GMT
I am hoping managers that want the job will bring a plan with them
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Jan 7, 2018 17:29:22 GMT
This lot wont be playing in the championship. We would lose Butland, Allen, Wimmer, Bruno, Shaqiri, Choupo, Berahino, Ramadan, Fletcher, Shawcross at the very least SGS Butland 30 mill Allen 25 mill Wimmer. 7 mill Bruno 12 mill Shaq. 15 mil Choupo. 12 mill Berra. 10 mill Rama 12 mill Fletcher. Shawcross. 10 mill 133 million incoming. Best part of 30 million a year saved on wages This relegation lark don't look to bad on paper 10 million shawcross ?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 7, 2018 17:34:07 GMT
Butland 30 mill Allen 25 mill Wimmer. 7 mill Bruno 12 mill Shaq. 15 mil Choupo. 12 mill Berra. 10 mill Rama 12 mill Fletcher. Shawcross. 10 mill 133 million incoming. Best part of 30 million a year saved on wages This relegation lark don't look to bad on paper 10 million shawcross ? You think he is worth more or less Would he pass a medical All my estimates are based on a relegated team doesn't have the same bargaining position
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Post by stokeson on Jan 7, 2018 17:35:27 GMT
Very Attractive to a manager .Not so attractive to players and that's the problem. We have a wage cap that's lost us a few players coming in and driven a few out .(Arnie for example.)Ambition Do WE Have IT ?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 7, 2018 17:48:14 GMT
Yes, that's my point. It's gone from an attractive Premier League long-termer to 'Who fancies a relegation dog fight and there is only a 50/50 chance it will be top flight job at all after that'. It is what it is but it's not what it was, nothing like. Put yourself in Gary Rowett's shoes, if the league ended today Derby are a Premier League team and Stoke a Championship club. You can see why it's not a 'no brainer' for him or anyone else. That's some serious trollin' even by your standards, Gods Luckily the league doesn't end today, infact we're barely halfway through it, and as it stands Stoke City are a Premier League football club with a very loyal chairman. Derby County are a Championship football club & have had more managers in recent years than Soft Mick. Derby County does not really want premier league football.if they go up they won't have the resources to compete. They will come back down no problem. Rowett would come to stoke no problem. He will look at the squad, the money made available to him, and know he can turn things around and get far more acclaim than he would by taking Derby up
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 17:48:53 GMT
Premier league football club Worldwide exposure Worldwide branding littered with internationals
29th richest football club in the world
whats not to like ?
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Jan 7, 2018 17:51:18 GMT
You think he is worth more or less Would he pass a medical All my estimates are based on a relegated team doesn't have the same bargaining position Alot less.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 7, 2018 17:58:00 GMT
It's a hugely attractive job. Many agents have been in touch with the club from all over the world in the last month or so. It’s the biggest hospital pass since Terry Conner took the wolves just job , shit squad , no investment , crap scouting , guaranteed relegation . Georgie Bingham talk sport Stoke dont buy well or sell spot on girl
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jan 7, 2018 17:58:18 GMT
Utd away is a freebie for any new manager, if they’re in post by then. Whoever comes in is going to have to unravel the shambles that has been created over the last 18 months. Probably starting with a little defensive coaching and raising confidence in those that have talent but have become stifled in recent times. I don’t think the club’s strategy has been a good one, but even they must be able to see that money needs to be spent in this window or we are fucked. You are right though, this lot would struggle in the Championship. This lot wont be playing in the championship. We would lose Butland, Allen, Wimmer, Bruno, Shaqiri, Choupo, Berahino, Ramadan, Fletcher, Shawcross at the very least SGS Who would take Shawcross?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 7, 2018 18:17:31 GMT
It's a hugely attractive job. Many agents have been in touch with the club from all over the world in the last month or so. It’s the biggest hospital pass since Terry Conner took the wolves just job , shit squad , no investment , crap scouting , guaranteed relegation . Georgie Bingham talk sport Stoke dont buy well or sell spot on girl It's not a shit squad Benj and I can think of about 1 million reasons less tax that someone would be interested.
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Jan 7, 2018 18:26:41 GMT
This lot wont be playing in the championship. We would lose Butland, Allen, Wimmer, Bruno, Shaqiri, Choupo, Berahino, Ramadan, Fletcher, Shawcross at the very least SGS Who would take Shawcross? Any team being promoted. Clubs like Watford etc SGS
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Post by salopstick on Jan 7, 2018 18:49:15 GMT
There will be a certain type of manager typing applications, speaking to agents and people connected since Hughes was approaching the sack.
A good wage a prem team on cv. Very attractive.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 7, 2018 18:55:36 GMT
It’s the biggest hospital pass since Terry Conner took the wolves just job , shit squad , no investment , crap scouting , guaranteed relegation . Georgie Bingham talk sport Stoke dont buy well or sell spot on girl It's not a shit squad Benj and I can think of about 1 million reasons less tax that someone would be interested. Beg to differ but it’s all about opinions I think it’s a truly dreadful squad and that’s why it’s in the bottom three and getting Lower by the week
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 7, 2018 19:08:56 GMT
It's a hugely attractive job. Many agents have been in touch with the club from all over the world in the last month or so. It’s the biggest hospital pass since Terry Conner took the wolves just job , shit squad , no investment , crap scouting , guaranteed relegation . Georgie Bingham talk sport Stoke dont buy well or sell spot on girl Hahaha as if you're quoting her, she's the most useless "pundit" going. Also very fucking annoying.
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Post by reddipotter on Jan 7, 2018 19:28:03 GMT
I am hoping managers that want the job will bring a plan with them Exactly. I wonder what Hughes offered as a plan, because he never seemed to have one.
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Post by exiledpotter on Jan 7, 2018 20:57:02 GMT
I am hoping managers that want the job will bring a plan with them Exactly. I wonder what Hughes offered as a plan, because he never seemed to have one. I think MH would argue that he had a plan and that it delivered the three 9th place finishes and lead to beating Liverpool 6-1. With hindsight, its his plan to build on those achievements that was lacking. (I suspect that the second plan was designed around the players he wanted, not around the players that he/the club managed to sign).
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Post by stokeoptimist on Jan 7, 2018 21:26:34 GMT
I am hoping managers that want the job will bring a plan with them Exactly. I wonder what Hughes offered as a plan, because he never seemed to have one. Of course he did it was to play more attractive football and establish us as a top half club. Worked as well, for 3 years
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