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Post by Gods on Jan 7, 2018 9:58:32 GMT
I keep hearing/reading in the media and from experts just what a great 'gig' the Stoke job would be for the right person.
But is that really true?
If I were to look at it cynically then essentially the successful candidate is invited to 'administer the last rites' as our inevitable descent in to the Championship approaches terminal velocity and then attempt to somehow assemble a promotion outfit in the face of the twin barriers of a shit load of high wage players we can't move on and a Board with a mantra of 'break even'.
I mean no one escapes the Championship in those circumstances.
Oh, and the first game is Manchester United away, so you might want to delay your start date...
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Post by agingerstokie on Jan 7, 2018 9:59:59 GMT
We're two wins from top half, if Hughes really was the major culprit and the players pick their asses up off the ground we gave Man U a game already this season under shit tactics
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Post by pyrus on Jan 7, 2018 10:00:38 GMT
If you are a football manager it is one of the top 20 jobs in the UK
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 10:00:39 GMT
Not much chance of the sack.
Chairman doesn’t interfere.
Better wage than 90% of clubs in football.
Not expected to win anything.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 7, 2018 10:03:56 GMT
Very attractive.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 7, 2018 10:04:57 GMT
If you are a football manager it is one of the top 20 jobs in the UK We’d probably be in the top 10 most attractive clubs to manage if we weren’t in such a precarious league position. Interesting to listen to Steve Parish, Palace Chairman, on the Premier League Debate. Says that when the Palace job was available they had thousands of applications from all over the world. Re-iterates that the premier league really is the ‘golden egg’ for managers and players, couple that with a ‘loyal’ chairman, British board and the money Coates will supposedly give you if you prove you can spend wisely. It’s pretty attractive! |
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Post by Billybigbollox on Jan 7, 2018 10:06:36 GMT
I keep hearing/reading in the media and from experts just what a great 'gig' the Stoke job would be for the right person. But is that really true? If I were to look at it cynically (which is how I approach most things!) then essentially the successful candidate is invited to administer the last rites over our inevitable and high velocity descent in to the Championship and then attempt to somehow assemble a promotion outfit in the face of the twin barriers of a shit load of high wage players we can't move on and a Board with a mantra of 'break even'. I mean no one escapes the Championship in those circumstances. Oh, and the first game is Manchester United away, so don't expect to get off to a flyer... Utd away is a freebie for any new manager, if they’re in post by then. Whoever comes in is going to have to unravel the shambles that has been created over the last 18 months. Probably starting with a little defensive coaching and raising confidence in those that have talent but have become stifled in recent times. I don’t think the club’s strategy has been a good one, but even they must be able to see that money needs to be spent in this window or we are fucked. You are right though, this lot would struggle in the Championship. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 7, 2018 10:06:56 GMT
I will do it. Get a response, keep us up then milk it for two years as we go in to decline, earning a mint and getting a handsome pay off when they realise I know sod all about football management
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 7, 2018 10:07:32 GMT
I think the loyalty angle is important for managers. They know they'll get a fair crack of the whip with Coates and I think that serves us well.
Rowett, for example would know he'd almost certainly get the chance to bring us back up if we went down.
We could offer him a wage rise and if we offered him a real kitty this month, you can see an attraction there.
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 7, 2018 10:08:27 GMT
If you are a football manager it is one of the top 20 jobs in the UK It isn't just about the UK though,the Stoke job won't be attractive to the top world managers, I guess that's why the favourite for the job is a 65 year old. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 7, 2018 10:10:26 GMT
If you are a football manager it is one of the top 20 jobs in the UK It isn't just about the UK though,the Stoke job won't be attractive to the top world managers, I guess that's why the favourite for the job is a 65 year old. It is really, as we know Coates won’t appoint a foreign manager anyway. It’s not an attractive job to the very top level foreign managers, but it would be to the promising up and comers. |
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Post by wuzza on Jan 7, 2018 10:10:43 GMT
In the summer (secure in the PL) we would be a very attractive prospect - now - not so much (to anyone already in a decent job).
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Post by sportsman on Jan 7, 2018 10:11:29 GMT
And if you get it going, the best and noisiest fans in the league. Bear pit is back, bear pit is back.
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 7, 2018 10:20:29 GMT
It isn't just about the UK though,the Stoke job won't be attractive to the top world managers, I guess that's why the favourite for the job is a 65 year old. It is really, as we know Coates won’t appoint a foreign manager anyway. It’s not an attractive job to the very top level foreign managers, but it would be to the promising up and comers. It's attractive to up and coming English managers that's for sure, but as you say not to the top foreign coaches, but as you have said so many times rob there aren't that many good English managers around anymore. |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 7, 2018 10:25:25 GMT
It's a decent job . Owners who will let you manage and do your own thing and give.you time .
The big thing you have to deliver here is value for money. We will never be able to waste much but outside the big clubs it's as good as there is I'd say.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jan 7, 2018 10:25:46 GMT
Would have been much more attractive 6 months ago
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Post by Gods on Jan 7, 2018 10:30:24 GMT
Would have been much more attractive 6 months ago Yes, that's my point. It's gone from an attractive Premier League long-termer to 'Who fancies a relegation dog fight and there is only a 50/50 chance it will be top flight job at all after that'. It is what it is but it's not what it was, nothing like. Put yourself in Gary Rowett's shoes, if the league ended today Derby are a Premier League team and Stoke a Championship club. You can see why it's not a 'no brainer' for him or anyone else. |
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Post by wembley1972 on Jan 7, 2018 10:56:05 GMT
I keep hearing/reading in the media and from experts just what a great 'gig' the Stoke job would be for the right person. But is that really true? If I were to look at it cynically then essentially the successful candidate is invited to 'administer the last rites' as our inevitable descent in to the Championship approaches terminal velocity and then attempt to somehow assemble a promotion outfit in the face of the twin barriers of a shit load of high wage players we can't move on and a Board with a mantra of 'break even'. I mean no one escapes the Championship in those circumstances. Oh, and the first game is Manchester United away, so you might want to delay your start date... Descent into the championship is not yet inevitable is it ! Its definitely possible but if we get a bounce from the introduction of a new manager we have a half decent chance of hanging on in. Right now we should be optimistic about our chances and get behind whoever comes in, if it doesn't work out then it becomes clearer that the board have a a much bigger portion of blame to carry than has already been levelled at them. Those of us that wanted Hughes gone have had our way, now it's time to back our team more than ever. |
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Post by thevoid on Jan 7, 2018 11:16:01 GMT
Would have been much more attractive 6 months ago Yes, that's my point. It's gone from an attractive Premier League long-termer to 'Who fancies a relegation dog fight and there is only a 50/50 chance it will be top flight job at all after that'. It is what it is but it's not what it was, nothing like. Put yourself in Gary Rowett's shoes, if the league ended today Derby are a Premier League team and Stoke a Championship club. You can see why it's not a 'no brainer' for him or anyone else. The league doesn't end today though. It's a more attractive job than some Stokies give it credit for. Even MOTD said it was attractive last night. |
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Post by Gods on Jan 7, 2018 11:22:36 GMT
Yes, that's my point. It's gone from an attractive Premier League long-termer to 'Who fancies a relegation dog fight and there is only a 50/50 chance it will be top flight job at all after that'. It is what it is but it's not what it was, nothing like. Put yourself in Gary Rowett's shoes, if the league ended today Derby are a Premier League team and Stoke a Championship club. You can see why it's not a 'no brainer' for him or anyone else. The league doesn't end today though. It's a more attractive job than some Stokies give it credit for. Even MOTD said it was attractive last night. I know they did say that on MOTD, that was what prompted me to address myself to the question, is it actually true? For sure the league doesn't end today, but any prospective candidate would afford himself a look at the league table. |
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Post by mrrburgundy on Jan 7, 2018 11:34:39 GMT
The Coates family have taken some stick for their loyalty to Hughes but what an attraction that could be for a new manager. Our owners are a rare breed in the football world. I feel pretty optimistic that if a manager (outside of the big clubs) was made aware of our interest, there would be few that would instantly dismiss it. I even include managers who's current stock is high like Dyche.
Hopefully this isn't misplaced optimism, but I'm hopeful the owners are looking for a permanent appointment rather than an interim. They have consistently thought long term, so hopefully that doesn't change now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 11:55:02 GMT
I'll take it.
How many jobs can you do for one year then retire as a millionaire
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 7, 2018 12:15:48 GMT
Would have been much more attractive 6 months ago Not necessarily, the expectancy levels are much lower now. |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 7, 2018 12:16:42 GMT
The Attractiveness depends on the brief. Ultimately Hughes fell between playing more attractive football and needing to get results. He was able to attract players capable of playing more attractive football but not enough. Whatever money we have so do others and Stoke City has only moderate appeal to top players hence it is hard to create a top footballing team. If a new manager is given a brief to play more dynamic football with some finesse then it should be very appealing to an English/British manager. The way the board have treated Hughes will add to the appeal for sure. It will never appeal to the top foreign managers and I am not sure we want them, Hughes was the most foreign of current British managers (except maybe Benitez) and probably took us as far as a foreign manager could before economic reality took over.
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Post by turfite on Jan 7, 2018 12:30:24 GMT
On my personal list of what I call a 'proper' club, so I'd say very attractive to the right person.
But please don't get an ex Bastard player/manager this time, it puts me in a very difficult position.
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Post by banksy on Jan 7, 2018 12:31:54 GMT
Whoever gets the job has to get the graft/skill balance right. Pulis's side were strong on graft but low on skill, hence the " direct" approach. Hughe's side had a higher skill level (well some do) but heads dropped quickly when up against it. To me, Burnley have got the balance just about right. Achieving and maintaining that level has to be the aim of the new manager.
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Post by mistergumby on Jan 7, 2018 12:49:22 GMT
Depends on your perspective. If you're a current Prem manager then 'not very' is the honest answer. Very poor salary (by Prem standards), hugely unfashionable club, absolute dump of an area, blah, blah, blah. Add to that our current situation with a fragmented and unbalanced squad of players, a disenfranchised supporter base and the additional prospect of having to doff your cap to CEO Beavis and TD Butthead with little or no money available to spend, well, it's not a very enticing prospect, is it? So those anticipating the arrival of the likes of Dyche or Benitez are going to be somewhat disappointed, I'd respectfully suggest.
However, if you're a manager not currently riding the Premier League financial gravy train, then you might well be very ready to forego all that and give it a go. A few quid to be made and the opportunity to put yourself in the spotlight with not very much to lose if you can't turn it around, as so many supporters and others in the game seem to think relegation is now inevitable no matter what happens.
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Jan 7, 2018 13:35:40 GMT
I keep hearing/reading in the media and from experts just what a great 'gig' the Stoke job would be for the right person. But is that really true? If I were to look at it cynically (which is how I approach most things!) then essentially the successful candidate is invited to administer the last rites over our inevitable and high velocity descent in to the Championship and then attempt to somehow assemble a promotion outfit in the face of the twin barriers of a shit load of high wage players we can't move on and a Board with a mantra of 'break even'. I mean no one escapes the Championship in those circumstances. Oh, and the first game is Manchester United away, so don't expect to get off to a flyer... Utd away is a freebie for any new manager, if they’re in post by then. Whoever comes in is going to have to unravel the shambles that has been created over the last 18 months. Probably starting with a little defensive coaching and raising confidence in those that have talent but have become stifled in recent times. I don’t think the club’s strategy has been a good one, but even they must be able to see that money needs to be spent in this window or we are fucked. You are right though, this lot would struggle in the Championship. This lot wont be playing in the championship. We would lose Butland, Allen, Wimmer, Bruno, Shaqiri, Choupo, Berahino, Ramadan, Fletcher, Shawcross at the very least SGS |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 13:37:32 GMT
It’s a very attractive job. Premiership football. The backing of a fantastic chairman who stands by you. Money to spend. Outside the top 6 it’s a fantastic job to have
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Jan 7, 2018 13:43:50 GMT
It's a hugely attractive job. Many agents have been in touch with the club from all over the world in the last month or so.
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