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Post by bertieb on Jan 7, 2018 1:17:35 GMT
Think he has taken all of the flak for the incompetence of the people above him, what worries me is the fact that we are going to have the same problems as we have now but with a different manager. As someone once said before premier league on the pitch northern premier league off it !
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Post by block27row27 on Jan 7, 2018 1:19:11 GMT
Think he has taken all of the flak for the incompetence of the people above him, what worries me is the fact that we are going to have the same problems as we have now but with a different manager. As someone once said before premier league on the pitch northern premier league off it ! Some of those evo-stik teams seem better run than us at the moment. |
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Post by chamberlain on Jan 7, 2018 1:19:29 GMT
Going on the title of your thread , you feel sorry for a millionaire?
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Post by jzime on Jan 7, 2018 1:24:05 GMT
There clearly has to be criticism of the entire transfer and recruitment team, and I know that the pizza boys will never be popular on here. All of that is probably justified to one extent or another.
But it is worth remembering that Hughes did have a pretty big say all the same throughout his entire tenure, for better and worse. It was, objectively, Mark Hughes who signed his old pal Stephen Ireland and used his historic Barca contacts to sign Muniesa and Bojan. It was, as a matter of historic fact, Mark Hughes who signed Imbula on the basis of him playing well against us in a pre-season friendly. It was Mark Hughes who chased Berahino for three transfer windows and hailed him as the goalscorer who would take us to the next level.
In the coming weeks, I 100% guarantee that Hughes' media cronies (particularly Robbie Savage) will argue that Hughes didn't have enough say in the transfers as an excuse for his performances in the last 18 months.
I wouldn't pay too much attention to a lot of it.
Do the transfer team deserve legitimate criticism? Yes. Was it the transfer team who coached a side who conceded 47 goals in 22 Premier League games? No.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Jan 7, 2018 1:28:06 GMT
Going on the title of your thread , you feel sorry for a millionaire? It is possible to feel sorry for a millionaire. |
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Post by kustokie on Jan 7, 2018 1:30:41 GMT
I feel a lot sorrier for the people that have had to go through the misery of watching dross for the lost 18 months and having their hopes dashed after the early promise the team showed. I’ll feel really sorry for all the people that will lose their jobs and the negative economic impact on the N. Staffs area if Stoke go back down to the Championship. The TV money that the PL brings is outrageous, but a lot of gets spent in the area.
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Post by chamberlain on Jan 7, 2018 1:31:32 GMT
Going on the title of your thread , you feel sorry for a millionaire? It is possible to feel sorry for a millionaire. In what way ? |
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Post by Matt on Jan 7, 2018 1:32:10 GMT
Think he has taken all of the flak for the incompetence of the people above him, what worries me is the fact that we are going to have the same problems as we have now but with a different manager. As someone once said before premier league on the pitch northern premier league off it ! In his role you have to be able to manage up as well as down. |
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 7, 2018 1:33:58 GMT
Think he has taken all of the flak for the incompetence of the people above him, what worries me is the fact that we are going to have the same problems as we have now but with a different manager. As someone once said before premier league on the pitch northern premier league off it ! I’ve been a massive fan of Hughes during his time here, but he’s only got himself to blame for the absolute shit-show that this season has become. I’m not denying there may be other at the club who are at fault, but The buck stops with the manager. He’s spunked some serious coin on one failure after another, played formations that don’t remotely suit the squad he’s assembled, failed to address glaring issues and shown absolutely no sign of turning things around despite being given far more time than he would have gotten anywhere else. He gave us two fantastic seasons and I thank him for those memories, but I don’t think he has a leg to stand on in the blame game. |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 7, 2018 1:34:02 GMT
Seriously, I do feel a little sorry for the bloke, nobody really knows what actually goes on with the playing and signings side of things.... maybe Hughes has taken the brunt of the shit that's actually going on???
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Post by retired1 on Jan 7, 2018 1:39:40 GMT
A word in the ears of the international footballers who couldnt string more than 2 passes together would be usueful for the new manager. Regardless of how Hughes set the team up it is down to them to find their team mates, tackle opponents, defend properly and tried to score a goal during a game. The players should feel ashamed at letting the manager the fans and the club down with how poorly they have played.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Jan 7, 2018 2:05:48 GMT
Think he has taken all of the flak for the incompetence of the people above him, what worries me is the fact that we are going to have the same problems as we have now but with a different manager. As someone once said before premier league on the pitch northern premier league off it !  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 2:12:43 GMT
There clearly has to be criticism of the entire transfer and recruitment team, and I know that the pizza boys will never be popular on here. All of that is probably justified to one extent or another. But it is worth remembering that Hughes did have a pretty big say all the same throughout his entire tenure, for better and worse. It was, objectively, Mark Hughes who signed his old pal Stephen Ireland and used his historic Barca contacts to sign Muniesa and Bojan. It was, as a matter of historic fact, Mark Hughes who signed Imbula on the basis of him playing well against us in a pre-season friendly. It was Mark Hughes who chased Berahino for three transfer windows and hailed him as the goalscorer who would take us to the next level. In the coming weeks, I 100% guarantee that Hughes' media cronies (particularly Robbie Savage) will argue that Hughes didn't have enough say in the transfers as an excuse for his performances in the last 18 months. I wouldn't pay too much attention to a lot of it. Do the transfer team deserve legitimate criticism? Yes. Was it the transfer team who coached a side who conceded 47 goals in 22 Premier League games? No. I would pay zero attention to Savage - and I'm lucky he's not on my radar anyway. But I'm not so sure that it was Hughes personally who chased those guys. He was just the public figure who spoke in conferences about players we were chasing, but it would be a selection of scouts, Cartwright, and maybe even Scholes who did the chasing and tied them down to contracts. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 2:22:39 GMT
I've stood by Hughes as late as this afternoon when a similar thread to this one came up. But I am not in the sorry camp.
My only concern is SCFC. I'm worried that unless we find the absolutely perfect manager straight away, we could be heading for a torrent of turmoil which could haunt us for years.
Hughes leaves a huge amount of problems behind him. The consistent failure to integrate the Academy players, players who just aren't good enough on lengthy contracts, recruitment that relies on personal contacts rather than a "company strategy", filure to find a Shawcross replacement, because can his back hold up for long, and more.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 7, 2018 3:06:59 GMT
A word in the ears of the international footballers who couldnt string more than 2 passes together would be usueful for the new manager. Regardless of how Hughes set the team up it is down to them to find their team mates, tackle opponents, defend properly and tried to score a goal during a game. The players should feel ashamed at letting the manager the fans and the club down with how poorly they have played. You have obviously never had a boss who is a complete idiot and gives you instructions that you know make no sense and are guaranteed not to work? It tends affect your overall performance so you cant even do the basic stuff properly. |
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Post by kustokie on Jan 7, 2018 3:12:05 GMT
Seriously, I do feel a little sorry for the bloke, nobody really knows what actually goes on with the playing and signings side of things.... maybe Hughes has taken the brunt of the shit that's actually going on??? If you order a meal in an expensive hotel and it tastes like shit, you can be fairly certain the problem is in the kitchen not in the reservations department or house keeping. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 7, 2018 3:14:28 GMT
I like Mark a lot. But you live and die by results and we don't win enough games.
Sometimes sackings have to be done and his was overdue if the truth be told. He would understand that himself. If you don't like the sight of blood you don't become a surgeon.
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Post by oatcakesteve on Jan 7, 2018 3:18:17 GMT
Seriously, I do feel a little sorry for the bloke, nobody really knows what actually goes on with the playing and signings side of things.... maybe Hughes has taken the brunt of the shit that's actually going on??? If you order a meal in an expensive hotel and it tastes like shit, you can be fairly certain the problem is in the kitchen not in the reservations department or house keeping. I get your point, but there is much more to it. Hughes isn't alone here. |
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Post by TexasPotter on Jan 7, 2018 3:18:55 GMT
I fucking don’t feel bad for that arrogant prick he bottled it himself! Some of those transfers he made and wages structures are cringeworthy! Any decent manager worth common sense will cut Johnson, Ireland and move on our players out on loan instantly!
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Post by Northy on Jan 7, 2018 7:29:20 GMT
In last nights post match interview he called himself 'head of football' not sure what that means but does it indicate Cartwright worked for him and he had the final say on football matters?
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Post by gogogadget on Jan 7, 2018 8:08:32 GMT
He must be gutted, don't they usually take a trip to dubai for a holiday, errrm warm weather training around this time.
Seriously though, if that trip is still booked, who will be running that. Surely if it was due this week, it must be cancelled.
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Post by tuum on Jan 7, 2018 8:18:26 GMT
Seriously, I do feel a little sorry for the bloke, nobody really knows what actually goes on with the playing and signings side of things.... maybe Hughes has taken the brunt of the shit that's actually going on??? If you order a meal in an expensive hotel and it tastes like shit, you can be fairly certain the problem is in the kitchen not in the reservations department or house keeping. Who is rèsponsible for purchasing the raw ingredients that are either well past their sell by date or clearly unsuitable? I agree that a good chef should be able to knock up something edible from dodgy materials but he will struggle to create the perfect dish if the raw materials are already flawed. |
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Post by pyrus on Jan 7, 2018 8:33:46 GMT
Going on the title of your thread , you feel sorry for a millionaire? I think you are focusing on the wrong thing. Money aside, Hughes seemed (to me) to care a great deal about the performance of the team and trying to change our style and be successful. I did not think of him as someone who just took the money and did not give a shit. Nothing about his background suggests that he is like that. Every manager in the Premiership is paid well, but all except three of them are paid better than Hughes. He bears the lions share of the responsibility for it not working. I don’t doubt that there are others who escape direct criticism because they are out of the lime-light. But I agree with the OP. I think Hughes heart was in the right place, he seemed to desperately want to make it work and he seemed very determined to get things right. It did not work so I also feel sorry for him, his reputation suffers and a seemingly decent bloke has lost his job on behalf of a club and team that are all underperforming. Yes he had to go, but I cannot feel malice towards him. Millionaires have feelings and pride too. |
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Post by timbo1988 on Jan 7, 2018 8:55:22 GMT
He has had significant cash to spend. Not MC and TS fault he has wasted it on Imbula, Berahino and wimmer
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Post by rawli on Jan 7, 2018 8:56:11 GMT
I feel sorry for him up to a point.
Think he was let down by the club when it came to a lot of the signings. When you look at who we pursued and then who we actually got then it shows we are shit at getting signings over the line.
Also let down by certain players - Imbula and to a lesser degree Shaqiri top that list.
However, he's not helped himself this season. Sticking to 3 at the back without wing backs when coming off a pretty shitty season last year was his downfall.
And in the end he'd just become an unlucky general. Brighton. Burnley, Newcastle and Bournemouth were all games we should have got something out of but didn't.
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Post by Pedropotter on Jan 7, 2018 9:00:36 GMT
Like you, I too will be feeling sorry for multi millionaire Mark Hughes, when I'm sitting at my desk next week when he's lounging on the private beach of his 5 star Tahiti hotel, recharging his batteries before another multi million pound contract in the limelight at the helm of some other mediocre football club.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 7, 2018 9:03:24 GMT
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Post by Pedropotter on Jan 7, 2018 9:06:19 GMT
Now someone has to try to do something with poor squad, poor players and boys. Hughes' legacy. And some people 'feel sorry for him'? You couldn't make it up. |
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 7, 2018 9:10:11 GMT
There's no reason to feel sorry for Mark Hughes, he's had a great career as a player and manager and he will bounce back, for Hughes this is just a temporary setback.
Remember a manager of a club does not have the emotional tie the same as supporters, for Hughes it was just a job and you can bet he's thinking now about the next opportunity.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 7, 2018 9:17:20 GMT
Yes he’s been let down by recent funding and only he knows how much say he had in the likes of Imbulat, Wimmer and Berahino bur in recent months he’s shown himself to be tactically inept.
1) The 343 with no proper wingbacks
2) his reliance of Crouch up front
3) constant misuse of players Shaq, Diouf etc
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