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Post by arnie3010 on Jan 7, 2018 3:54:49 GMT
The most important thing is, to have all the targets close we want to buy with money from this sell
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 12, 2018 14:27:28 GMT
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Post by thegift on Jan 12, 2018 14:30:52 GMT
£50M minimum. let him go
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Post by theteacher on Jan 12, 2018 14:33:26 GMT
Whatever the eventual transfer fee is we need to have inserted a number of additional payments.
Such as a “sell-on” fee, games played, international caps and trophies won etc. Hang-on think I got carried away when saying Liverpool and trophies won on the same thread 😂
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 14:39:43 GMT
In the current market for an English player you would assume it would be a fee like this (well it would be if he played for Southampton). I don’t think he will be that difficult to replace, there are plenty of decent keepers about and the standard across the premier league is extremely high. Begovic went for £12m this summer and Jack is no better than Asmir, if we get a silly offer he should go.
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Post by thegift on Jan 12, 2018 14:42:28 GMT
In the current market you would assume it would be a fee like this (well it would be if he played for Southampton). I don’t think he will be that difficult to replace, there are plenty of decent keepers about and the standard across the premier league is extremely high. I genuinly don't think hes anywhere near as good as last year.
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Post by stokie23 on Jan 12, 2018 14:46:12 GMT
Never thought I would say this, but, best for everyone if he went to be honest....
Liverpool get their man, stoke get £50 million (which is what it needs to be minimum) to reinvest in playing squad, and still have Grant who will more than do a job between now and end of the season.
Butland hasn't been great recently, is he up for the battle ?
To think £50,000,000 probably gets us Ighalo for £20,000,000 leaving £30,000,000 on a world class CM !
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 12, 2018 14:55:11 GMT
Liverpool are desperate for a keeper. We aren't desperate to sell. They've got a massive wad of cash in their pockets. I reckon we should be looking at £70m plus. Remember what they've paid and received for Van Dijk and Coutinho. This is the season of silly money. We might as well join the party.
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Post by adamsson on Jan 12, 2018 14:57:22 GMT
In the current market for an English player you would assume it would be a fee like this (well it would be if he played for Southampton). I don’t think he will be that difficult to replace, there are plenty of decent keepers about and the standard across the premier league is extremely high. Begovic went for £12m this summer and Jack is no better than Asmir, if we get a silly offer he should go. Begovic is a Canadian Bosniak, Butland is English and will be England first choice goalkeeper the second he signs for a big club. The fact that couldn't catch a cold at the moment is irrelevant.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 12, 2018 14:58:07 GMT
I really wouldn't want Grant in for the rest of the season. Keep Jack until the Summer and limit the disruption.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 15:03:32 GMT
Only reason not to do it if the money was right would be that we are then only one sprained ankle away from fighting a relegation battle with Haugaard in the hotseat. New 3rd keeper please!
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Post by thegift on Jan 12, 2018 15:04:43 GMT
Liverpool are desperate for a keeper. We aren't desperate to sell. They've got a massive wad of cash in their pockets. I reckon we should be looking at £70m plus. Remember what they've paid and received for Van Dijk and Coutinho. This is the season of silly money. We might as well join the party. Maybe you're right. You know what the stoke board are like.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 12, 2018 15:06:03 GMT
I'd prefer him to go in the summer unless the new amanger is aware of a good keeper , we probably need a 3rd one anyway as one injury would leave us vulnerable even if he stays with us .
He will need to go to a big club sooner or later and we need to make as much as we can cheapest i would say is 35m plus add ons when the time comes but would prefer that to be in the summer given our league position .
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Post by Scrotnig on Jan 12, 2018 15:10:39 GMT
Grant is actually as good as Jack has been this season.
There, I've said it.
Don't get me wrong, I love Jack (in a manly footballing way, obviously) but if we get a silly-money offer for him we should take it, because I think, like Bojan, he's never going to be the same post-injury.
We then obviously need a good back up keeper with Grant as our number one.
None of this will happen until the summer though.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 12, 2018 15:14:18 GMT
We don't have a reason to sell Butland and I'd love to see him here for another couple of years at least.
So £60m upfront (not spread over contract length) plus 25% sell-on fee, another £5m for every 10 England caps while he's at Liverpool up to his first 50 caps, and £2m for every trophy he wins at Liverpool in the next 5 years. We'd need to get a replacement (or backup to Grant) in before considering a sale, so other teams wouldn't inflate the price of anyone we're after.
£90m doesn't seem stupid given what Van Dijk sold for.
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Post by juiceandbits on Jan 12, 2018 15:14:36 GMT
Grant is actually as good as Jack has been this season. There, I've said it. Don't get me wrong, I love Jack (in a manly footballing way, obviously) but if we get a silly-money offer for him we should take it, because I think, like Bojan, he's never going to be the same post-injury. We then obviously need a good back up keeper with Grant as our number one. None of this will happen until the summer though. Could do a lot worse than Fabianski to be fair.
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 12, 2018 15:16:42 GMT
He's looked thoroughly f*cked off for most of this season. Can't blame him either. Hopefully QSF gets us organised, he gets a few clean sheets and his focus back. He's going to struggle to be first choice for England in the summer as things stand.
No reason to sell unless it's a stupid offer.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 12, 2018 15:17:02 GMT
I think this will happen especially now Liverpool will have £146m from Coutinho sale - so if that is the case we must maximize the fee given their available spend. I say we start at £50m fee for him - remember they paid £75m for Van Dyke So can I get this right? This is based on you thinking it will happen because Liverpool have money to spend and you think that Stoke should start with an asking price of £50m? Can I ask you apart from just guessing this might happen or indeed you guessing Liverpool are interested in Butland what evidence exactly is there that there’s the remotest chance it could even be a possibility? Gouranga.
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Post by haway on Jan 12, 2018 15:17:08 GMT
To add perspective and context Pickford was sold to Everton for £40M It was £30m but your point still stands.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 12, 2018 15:33:51 GMT
All those saying this season's Butland isn't as good as he was two years ago...it's a bit difficult when you're facing an inordinate amount of shots from extremely threatening positions every game.
Coventry's second should never have gone in, but when a keeper makes a mistake there's nowhere to hide. When a striker makes one (as Diouf and Berahino did) it still gets pinned on the keeper.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Jan 12, 2018 15:35:51 GMT
When players are out for a long time they often "hit the wall" for a period after the initial comeback. In this case the wall is only very low as his performances are not what we expect from him of late but again not that bad.Just noticeable because it is Butland. Expect him to reach and improve his previous levels in due course. He was easily the best in England before his injury and will be again.
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Post by samwidge on Jan 12, 2018 15:40:29 GMT
50 Million , or 40 Million with 15% sell on clause .
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Post by stokiesteve on Jan 12, 2018 15:44:28 GMT
To be honest, I would be gutted if Jack went.
We need all hands on deck to fight relegation off
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 15:55:36 GMT
He simply has to stay until the summer. Selling one of our first choice players while in the relegation zone in January would be the best way to make our new manager’s job of gettng the squad geared up enough to keep us up next to impossible.
Is he worth selling in the summer? Yes, he’s English and his transfer fee is therefore likely to be I nflated beyond any realistic level compared to his ability. But at the end of the day while he needs to step up and become one of the characters he says the club needs, selling him now would probably as good for squad morale as throwing one player at random into the next angry mob that forms around the team train/bus.
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Post by wuzza on Jan 12, 2018 16:05:37 GMT
It’s a fairly simple scenario really. If everything goes in our favour - 1. He stays for the rest of the season. 2. His form picks up a bit and he gets in the ‘shop window’ maybe via international call ups. 3. More than one club is interested starting a bit of bidding war. 4. We sell him for anywhere between 30 and 50m. 5. A reasonablyy good replacement is signed for a fraction of that amount.
Worse case - he drops a few high profile clangers or gets injured in which case we lose him to a mid ranking club for about 10-15m.
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Post by Pricey on Jan 12, 2018 16:06:04 GMT
We'll get about the same as we got for Arnautovic.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 12, 2018 16:23:07 GMT
There is very little between Jack and Jordan Pickford so anything over £30m seems realistic. I'd have thought Joe Hart's value has plummeted recently so a bid for him could be worthwhile.
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Post by Roy Cropper on Jan 12, 2018 16:28:29 GMT
People talking about 70 million, living in dreamland.
He'll end up going for around 30 mill.
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Post by magliarosa on Jan 12, 2018 16:37:40 GMT
Be gutted to see Jack go myself, he's the first name on the team sheet for me and I'd prefer us to keep our best players and not sell such as Arnie. If Liverpool do come in though it's got to be in the region of the Pickford sale, similar age, similar potential ability so £30 million plus.
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Post by theplantpotter on Jan 12, 2018 16:45:43 GMT
If our team is so bad, why do Liverpool want almost 20% of it.
Just a thought.
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