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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 6, 2018 20:59:01 GMT
Because he knew he’d get a big pay out anyway? I would hope he wasn’t but there are so many things that he’s done lately that are quite uncomfortable to see as a Stoke suporter it does make you wonder. Gouranga.  |
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Post by mrred on Jan 6, 2018 21:01:21 GMT
2 and a half years of this. I don't think there's any meticulous planning involved.
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Post by chayzenbacon on Jan 6, 2018 21:03:42 GMT
Because he knew he’d get a big pay out anyway? I would hope he wasn’t but there are so many things that he’s done lately that are quite uncomfortable to see as a Stoke suporter it does make you wonder. Gouranga. Same thought had crossed my mind. We've been so bad its as if he's been working on it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 21:09:02 GMT
2 and a half years of this. I don't think there's any meticulous planning involved. 2 and a half years ago we were still 4-8 months away from beating Chelsea, destroying Manu Utd and Man City, the 4-3 thriller at Everton, a missed penalty/coat of paint away from a major final and yet another 9th placed finish. Stop rewriting history..... |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 6, 2018 21:12:16 GMT
Some of his decisions and not just the recent one really make you think. Gouranga. |
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Post by mattface on Jan 6, 2018 21:14:35 GMT
2 and a half years of this. I don't think there's any meticulous planning involved. Nope that's in the realms of strategic planning |
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Post by flea79 on Jan 6, 2018 21:16:36 GMT
i have always wondered why clubs should pay to sack a badly performing manager, surely they should insert a poor performance clause that is clear and concise
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Post by jarhead on Jan 6, 2018 21:17:58 GMT
It thought this earlier on his arrogant comments alone these past few days.
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Post by butlerstbob on Jan 6, 2018 21:19:09 GMT
2 and a half years of this. I don't think there's any meticulous planning involved. 2 and a half years ago we were still 4-8 months away from beating Chelsea, destroying Manu Utd and Man City, the 4-3 thriller at Everton, a missed penalty/coat of paint away from a major final and yet another 9th placed finish. Stop rewriting history..... Why spoil the sad bastards fun? |
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Post by professorplump on Jan 6, 2018 21:19:12 GMT
I doubt it because realistically he is unlikely to work in the Premier League again. And I would imagine that he is already a rich man even before his payoff.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 21:20:47 GMT
I doubt it because realistically he is unlikely to work in the Premier League again. And I would imagine that he is already a rich man even before his payoff. I’d happily put a few quid on him managing in the Premier League again..... |
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Post by mrred on Jan 6, 2018 21:24:14 GMT
2 and a half years of this. I don't think there's any meticulous planning involved. 2 and a half years ago we were still 4-8 months away from beating Chelsea, destroying Manu Utd and Man City, the 4-3 thriller at Everton, a missed penalty/coat of paint away from a major final and yet another 9th placed finish. Stop rewriting history..... I'm not. Tail end of that season we started to pick up the 3-0's, 3-1's, 4-0's. It all started somewhere. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 21:26:50 GMT
2 and a half years ago we were still 4-8 months away from beating Chelsea, destroying Manu Utd and Man City, the 4-3 thriller at Everton, a missed penalty/coat of paint away from a major final and yet another 9th placed finish. Stop rewriting history..... I'm not. Tail end of that season we started to pick up the 3-0's, 3-1's, 4-0's. It all started somewhere. So not 2 and a half years ago then. No problem.... |
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 6, 2018 21:32:42 GMT
He played two of the most expensive players Stoke have ever signed against a 4th division team and both looked out of their depth.
That possibly helped to seal his feat.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 6, 2018 21:35:28 GMT
His attitude and demeanour had changed over the last 2 weeks in my opinion. I actually think the pressure was getting to him and he was showing his emotion a bit more but in this he did actually care about the club and wanted to get it right.
The players have screwed him over today and embarrassed the club as well as him.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Jan 6, 2018 22:32:57 GMT
I'm betting tonight will be the most sound sleep that poor bastard has gotten in a year.
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Post by broadwayroundabout on Jan 6, 2018 22:43:30 GMT
The sack should mean the sack, clear your desk, there’s a months pay, take us to a tribunal if you want, look at your results before you do though!
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 6, 2018 22:46:34 GMT
A very wealthy man doesn't need Stoke City. He's achieved more than we ever have. I suspect he will survive and doesn't need to work again. Its a toxic business
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 23:09:32 GMT
Firstly, he needed to go. It wasn't working, it was looking bad for everyone and as said above there's probably even a some relief for him, as well for us. As always, people are going to remember the end rather than the beginning or the middle - which may be a little unfair, as we were playing some decent football for a while.
But there's no way he would manoeuvre to something like this. He is a proud and professional man. When things are not going right, people get stressed and they make decisions which don't look good. I've done this, and I think anyone with an ounce of honestly would say they've dug a deeper hole for themselves in a situation with the benefit of hindsight.
I said in an earlier post that he has a style - he puts together a bunch of 'mercenaries', so to speak - which works for a while but it never enables team spirit or ethic. And he had a bit of that in the bank when he came, but it slowly dwindled away. Of all the things I heard to concerned me, it was Marc Wilson's comment that there's no defensive training. This was the first alarm bell for me (and there was no reason to doubt what he said), but the alarm bells starting coming with a little too much regularity after that.
Good luck to whoever the new manager is, there's a lot of work to do.
But please, for the love of God, not McClaren.
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Post by Billybigbollox on Jan 6, 2018 23:10:19 GMT
I doubt it because realistically he is unlikely to work in the Premier League again. And I would imagine that he is already a rich man even before his payoff. I’d happily put a few quid on him managing in the Premier League again..... No chance. Stoke was his last chance saloon and he fucked it up. Defence is not in his coaching manual so the rules 50% of clubs out. The rest are mostly interested in foreign coaches. |
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 6, 2018 23:12:28 GMT
I doubt it because realistically he is unlikely to work in the Premier League again. And I would imagine that he is already a rich man even before his payoff. I’d happily put a few quid on him managing in the Premier League again..... I'll be amazed if he's not back in a Premier League manager's seat by the end of the season. The merry-go-round just keeps on spinning. |
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Post by stokemark on Jan 6, 2018 23:14:01 GMT
I’d happily put a few quid on him managing in the Premier League again..... I'll be amazed if he's not back in a Premier League manager's seat by the end of the season. The merry-go-round just keeps on spinning. He will take th Wales job won't he |
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 6, 2018 23:15:26 GMT
He will be the next Wales Manager ,I even recon this was in the bag a while ago
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Post by thevoid on Jan 6, 2018 23:17:20 GMT
I'm not sure what he's being trying to achieve in the last two years but trying to engineer his own sacking wasn't part of his plan.
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Post by hchpotter on Jan 6, 2018 23:24:44 GMT
He might not have deliberately engineered his own sacking but if he gets a seven figure pay-off there will be few tears in his Mottram St Andrew mansion this evening.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 23:25:17 GMT
i have always wondered why clubs should pay to sack a badly performing manager, surely they should insert a poor performance clause that is clear and concise There most likely is a clause in the contract, but "poor performance" is virtually impossible to prove in the football business. |
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Post by jzime on Jan 6, 2018 23:30:21 GMT
He knew his days were numbered in the week, and he knew he was gone tonight. Hence his comments about fans wanting him out and trying to deflect blame.
But the idea that he actively wanted to be sacked for the pay off is a bit silly for me. He clearly wanted to turn it around, he just wasn't capable of it.
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Post by cheshirepotter on Jan 6, 2018 23:30:52 GMT
2 and a half years of this. I don't think there's any meticulous planning involved. 2 and a half years ago we were still 4-8 months away from beating Chelsea, destroying Manu Utd and Man City, the 4-3 thriller at Everton, a missed penalty/coat of paint away from a major final and yet another 9th placed finish. Stop rewriting history..... You’re wrong. We’ve been going downhill for that long. |
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Post by MooG on Jan 6, 2018 23:30:52 GMT
I think your view is ultimately going to depend on whether you like Hughes' style. I don't; so where nightharvest sees proud and professional I see an arrogant man with no idea how to fix the problems he has caused who now gets to keep proclaiming that he doesn't do relegation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 23:33:35 GMT
That guy couldn't plan a fucking picnic. I think he's genuinely just an arrogant bastard who believed the bullshit he was saying week after week.
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