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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Jan 6, 2018 18:15:44 GMT
I don’t think Hughes will go quietly this time..... his reputation will have been shot (as it was at QPR) but he won’t want the blame to be stuck on him this time There'll be a confidentiality clause attached to his pay off, surely? I thought that, but perhaps it may not be a „leak“ from him that could get around it..... after all, contractually, if you are not the one leaking it...
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 6, 2018 18:17:45 GMT
I don’t think Hughes will go quietly this time..... his reputation will have been shot (as it was at QPR) but he won’t want the blame to be stuck on him this time There'll be a confidentiality clause attached to his pay off, surely? Yeah it will all be lovey dovey as it was initially with Tone and Hughes will get every penny piece due to him. I actually think he'll get another job fairly easily at the end of the season though.
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 6, 2018 18:18:05 GMT
I don't know whether to laugh or be absolutely fucking livid
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Post by bobk on Jan 6, 2018 18:18:41 GMT
I think that he's indirectly saying that the players that are on the pitch are not his signings. I think that he is saying that it should concentrate other minds on what he has been telling them, i.e. that what he is working with isn't good enough & that the evidence is out there on the pitch. Plus the medical staff are not up to it, given the number of injuries. In other words, those that are responsible are not doing a professional enough job. That's my interpretation of what he is saying, reading between the lines. They are tying his hands & he's the one who is taking the flack.As someone said on radio Stoke, change the manager & the problem is still there for a new manager to cope with. That's how I interpreted his interview . and that's why I believe he won't be sacked.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Jan 6, 2018 18:18:57 GMT
I don’t think Hughes will go quietly this time..... his reputation will have been shot (as it was at QPR) but he won’t want the blame to be stuck on him this time He is to blame though, if he wasn't being backed (and I don't think he was backed properly) then he should've kicked up a fuss and walked in the summer. It is on his reputation now whether he likes it or not, he has messed up with major signings and the squad has regressed in the last few years. I don't see him getting another premier league job any time soon, he'd be better off taking the Wales job again. Im not suggesting he is not to blame, far from it. But I also believe that there are other people in the club who are are part of the problem and are out of their depth completely...
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jan 6, 2018 18:20:48 GMT
There'll be a confidentiality clause attached to his pay off, surely? Yeah it will all be lovey dovey as it was initially with Tone and Hughes will get every penny piece due to him. I actually think he'll get another job fairly easily at the end of the season though. He'll just form part of the Premier league managerial merry go round, where as long as you have a "name" and Prem experience, your actual Prem record means fuck all whatsoever you'll just waltz into a job as soon as someone else gets sacked. Football...the only industry where you can get sacked for being shit then still walk into a job with a higher wage than you were previously on!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 18:21:39 GMT
“We are not giving ourselves a platform defensively to enable ourselves to manage games and dictate to the opposition.'
Yes Mark, since you have been here you have dismantled our defence and you don't seem to have a clue what a good defender looks like!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 6, 2018 18:21:58 GMT
"The frustrating thing is, the same things keep occurring. Defensively, we are not where we need to be." Are you taking the piss Mark?
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Post by kustokie on Jan 6, 2018 18:22:47 GMT
He is clearly not going to resign because it would cost him a lot of money and Coates doesn’t want to terminate his contract because that will cost him a lot of money. It’s a classic irresistible force meeting an impenetrable wall. Unless they come to a compromise this will result in mutual destruction. Hughes gets the reputation as a first class dick and Stoke get relegated. The only people who are relatively unaffected are the Coates family.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 18:24:21 GMT
Yeah it will all be lovey dovey as it was initially with Tone and Hughes will get every penny piece due to him. I actually think he'll get another job fairly easily at the end of the season though. He'll just form part of the Premier league managerial merry go round, where as long as you have a "name" and Prem experience, your actual Prem record means fuck all whatsoever you'll just waltz into a job as soon as someone else gets sacked. Football...the only industry where you can get sacked for being shit then still walk into a job with a higher wage than you were previously on! His Premier League record in the main is decent though.....
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Post by kustokie on Jan 6, 2018 18:25:25 GMT
Erm...http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-mark-hughes-coventry-1017968
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Post by kustokie on Jan 6, 2018 18:26:27 GMT
He'll just form part of the Premier league managerial merry go round, where as long as you have a "name" and Prem experience, your actual Prem record means fuck all whatsoever you'll just waltz into a job as soon as someone else gets sacked. Football...the only industry where you can get sacked for being shit then still walk into a job with a higher wage than you were previously on! His Premier League record in the main is decent though..... Not over the past two years it is isn’t. It’s almost as bad as Pardew’s (oh, hang on a minute!).
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 6, 2018 18:26:59 GMT
So who's he on about then? Ramadan I'm guessing is one of them. Edwards possibly another but he's been one of our better players of late.
Surely every one else are his signings. Unless he means Shaq as well, he may have been his signing but he doesn't think he warrants a game either.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 18:28:11 GMT
His Premier League record in the main is decent though..... Not over the past two years it is isn’t. It’s almost as bad as Pardew’s (oh, hang on a minute!). That wasn’t the point that was made though. And in layman’s terms he was 13th and one point from 8th last season which isn’t a disaster from the outside looking in.....
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Post by salopstick on Jan 6, 2018 18:30:00 GMT
It’s moot really
99% of all post match interviews follow the same script depending on the narrative performance etc of the day. And that’s regardless of club
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Post by greystokie on Jan 6, 2018 18:33:02 GMT
“We are not giving ourselves a platform defensively to enable ourselves to manage games and dictate to the opposition.' Yes Mark, since you have been here you have dismantled our defence and you don't seem to have a clue what a good defender looks like! He doesn't have much idea of what a striker looks like, either.
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Post by djduncanjames on Jan 6, 2018 18:35:36 GMT
It was pretty much comments that are as good as asking Coates to sack him tonight. Yep Come on Pete, I've just alienated half of the dressing room, and the Teflon Toppings Boys. Get it done and get my compo sorted.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 6, 2018 18:35:50 GMT
People in the game always comment that he's a proud man, if he was he would do the right thing and walk away tonight.
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Post by liathroid on Jan 6, 2018 18:38:22 GMT
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Post by stokeoptimist on Jan 6, 2018 18:39:30 GMT
People in the game always comment that he's a proud man, if he was he would do the right thing and walk away tonight. There's proud and there's just plain stupid, with millions at stake there is no way he's walking, why would you.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 6, 2018 18:39:59 GMT
Im quite upset right now, feel a bit stunned. Relegation is really sinking in. I feel that we are hopeless and its so, so heartbreaking I look further than relegation. Our board have completely failed to see or act on what has been obvious to the fans for at least 18 moths. What kind of future can we have with blind people who REFUSE to see the problems or act upon them in charge at the club. It's never nice sacking someone, I know I've had to do it in the past. But that goes with the territory when you are in charge and what's more it is your responsibility to the owners and the other workers to remove bad people. The first thing I used to say to them was. Why shouldn't I sack you? Tell me why I should excuse your poor performance. Most had no reason some just didn't care. You should also sack someone professionally and with as much dignity as possible
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 6, 2018 18:41:13 GMT
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Post by chamberlain on Jan 6, 2018 18:44:32 GMT
People in the game always comment that he's a proud man, if he was he would do the right thing and walk away tonight. Bang on mate
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 6, 2018 18:44:51 GMT
I don’t think Hughes will go quietly this time..... his reputation will have been shot (as it was at QPR) but he won’t want the blame to be stuck on him this time There'll be a confidentiality clause attached to his pay off, surely? Unless it's in his existing contract why would he agree to a confidentiality clause, he's got a fixed term contract and will be due compensation for early termination
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Post by bangorstokie on Jan 6, 2018 18:46:31 GMT
Does anyone else think Hughes needs physciatric treatment. Hope that's the right spelling.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 6, 2018 18:48:59 GMT
There'll be a confidentiality clause attached to his pay off, surely? Unless it's in his existing contract why would he agree to a confidentiality clause, he's got a fixed term contract and will be due compensation for early termination
It will be in his existing contract.
How often do you see a manager bad mouth a club when their contract is terminated early?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 18:50:32 GMT
I think that he's indirectly saying that the players that are on the pitch are not his signings. I think that he is saying that it should concentrate other minds on what he has been telling them, i.e. that what he is working with isn't good enough & that the evidence is out there on the pitch. Plus the medical staff are not up to it, given the number of injuries. In other words, those that are responsible are not doing a professional enough job. That's my interpretation of what he is saying, reading between the lines. They are tying his hands & he's the one who is taking the flack.As someone said on radio Stoke, change the manager & the problem is still there for a new manager to cope with. That's how I interpreted his interview . and that's why I believe he won't be sacked. Kinda how I heard it too, but which one will PC back? Easier to get rid of Hughes and bring in someone who can inject new ideas with the squad available. Hopefully he’ll show Cartwright the door too and a new CEO in the summer would be welcome.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 18:52:22 GMT
I look further than relegation. Our board have completely failed to see or act on what has been obvious to the fans for at least 18 moths. What kind of future can we have with blind people who REFUSE to see the problems or act upon them in charge at the club. It's never nice sacking someone, I know I've had to do it in the past. But that goes with the territory when you are in charge and what's more it is your responsibility to the owners and the other workers to remove bad people. The first thing I used to say to them was. Why shouldn't I sack you? Tell me why I should excuse your poor performance. Most had no reason some just didn't care. You should also sack someone professionally and with as much dignity as possible I've had to sack thieves and people who abused other workers, verbally and physically. Allowing them to explain their actions was as dignified as I could manage. If Mark Hughes can present genuine reasons that show why we are under performing that are out of his control then now is the time to present those reasons. If he is "taking the can" for others then I fear his gesture is futile and indeed inappropriate as he will only be leaving the same situation for his replacement and that is unprofessional. He is the rabbit in the headlights and as they say "the ball is in his court".
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 6, 2018 18:53:03 GMT
Unless it's in his existing contract why would he agree to a confidentiality clause, he's got a fixed term contract and will be due compensation for early termination
It will be in his existing contract.
How often do you see a manager bad mouth a club when their contract is terminated early?
Mmmm fair point. Hope he sqawks though, as it appears rotten to the core. Surely one of his cronies could do the leaking akin to, "a source close to Mark Hughes said that they used to pick names and numbers out of a hat for the transfer strategy "!!!!
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Post by stokemark on Jan 6, 2018 18:53:24 GMT
There'll be a confidentiality clause attached to his pay off, surely? Unless it's in his existing contract why would he agree to a confidentiality clause, he's got a fixed term contract and will be due compensation for early termination He will likely get an offer first of a lump sum which will be less than the total value of his contract paid monthly He will negotiate and the club will pay him more on the basis of him signing a confidentiality clause (settlement agreement)
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