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Post by estp1863 on Jan 3, 2018 0:03:09 GMT
By dinosaur do you mean good old fashioned English football? Brilliant No, I mean prehistoric types who the game has passed by. What I do like about MON is that he at least values pace and wingers, but his Sunderland team was absolutely woeful and his Ireland team are pretty hard to watch. Exactly and with Ireland his personal is restricted and Sunderland were dire but that was not his team. As you say, proper wingers & pace coming to a ground near you. Abt sodding time too, proper football
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2018 0:06:30 GMT
No, I mean prehistoric types who the game has passed by. What I do like about MON is that he at least values pace and wingers, but his Sunderland team was absolutely woeful and his Ireland team are pretty hard to watch. Exactly and with Ireland his personal is restricted and Sunderland were dire but that was not his team. As you say, proper wingers & pace coming to a ground near you. Abt sodding time too, proper football Sunderland very much was his team - he was allowed to spend £45m on Fletcher, Rodwell and Johnson alone, back when that was a lot of money. A lot of the problems they (and Villa) have had have stemmed from the dross he left them with.
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 3, 2018 0:08:56 GMT
Exactly and with Ireland his personal is restricted and Sunderland were dire but that was not his team. As you say, proper wingers & pace coming to a ground near you. Abt sodding time too, proper football Sunderland very much was his team - he was allowed to spend £45m on Fletcher, Rodwell and Johnson alone, back when that was a lot of money. A lot of the problems they (and Villa) have had have stemmed from the dross he left them with. he was highly successful at Villa. You could say the same for Hughes at QPR. Johnson was a good player, fletch was for a while
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 3, 2018 0:09:31 GMT
Personally I'd prefer a British bloke that knows the league & the players in it myself I think ‘knowing the league’ is vastly overrated as a quality. I’d like a bloke who’s tactically shrewd and can find some good players and/or improve the ones we’ve got. I don’t care if he comes from Bucknall or Saturn. The knowing the league thing is daft. It assumes everyone is as closed minded and incurious as they are. Anyway, why wouldn't they know the league? If I can sit here and watch nogger from all across the world they can too.
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Post by rawli on Jan 3, 2018 0:14:45 GMT
If you're sick, wouldn't you opt for the most qualified doctor regardless of nationality? No. I'd find an old English doctor to put leeches on me. Not some fancy Dan daygo with his modern scientific ways.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jan 3, 2018 0:24:08 GMT
Personally I'd prefer a British bloke that knows the league & the players in it myself I think ‘knowing the league’ is vastly overrated as a quality. I’d like a bloke who’s tactically shrewd and can find some good players and/or improve the ones we’ve got. I don’t care if he comes from Bucknall or Saturn. Yup,strange isn't it that a 'Johnny foreigner' type (admittedly a financially well backed one,) is currently tearing it up,with a cohesive formation and cute tactics,at the top of the Championship: supposedly the hardest league in England to get out of due it's űber competitive nature and blood and thunder football?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2018 0:27:47 GMT
Sunderland very much was his team - he was allowed to spend £45m on Fletcher, Rodwell and Johnson alone, back when that was a lot of money. A lot of the problems they (and Villa) have had have stemmed from the dross he left them with. he was highly successful at Villa. You could say the same for Hughes at QPR. Johnson was a good player, fletch was for a while Johnson wasn’t a good player for Sunderland and neither was Rodwell. Hughes was rightly pilloried for the job he did at QPR. MON started well at Villa but everyone from owner to players to fans were highly sick of him by the time he left and that marked the start of his decline. You can’t keep explaining away all his failures, the buck stops with the manager. He can’t be completely responsible for all his successes and blameless for his failures.
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 3, 2018 0:31:29 GMT
he was highly successful at Villa. You could say the same for Hughes at QPR. Johnson was a good player, fletch was for a while Johnson wasn’t a good player for Sunderland and neither was Rodwell. Hughes was rightly pilloried for the job he did at QPR. MON started well at Villa but everyone from owner to players to fans were highly sick of him by the time he left and that marked the start of his decline. You can’t keep explaining away all his failures, the buck stops with the manager. He can’t be completely responsible for all his successes and blameless for his failures. He's 65 years old of course He's had failures as well as successes. If you have never had a failure you have never learned anything 😉👍 experience. People say get a young manager etc etc. He's doing well here etc etc, his failures havnt come yet so what experience does he draw from when the shit hits the fan?
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 3, 2018 1:04:08 GMT
he was highly successful at Villa. You could say the same for Hughes at QPR. Johnson was a good player, fletch was for a while Johnson wasn’t a good player for Sunderland and neither was Rodwell. Hughes was rightly pilloried for the job he did at QPR. MON started well at Villa but everyone from owner to players to fans were highly sick of him by the time he left and that marked the start of his decline. You can’t keep explaining away all his failures, the buck stops with the manager. He can’t be completely responsible for all his successes and blameless for his failures. O'Neil has had 6 club managerial roles, all but 1 have been a success and He's not done a bad job with the R.O.I either. That's really not a bad average
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2018 1:05:28 GMT
Johnson wasn’t a good player for Sunderland and neither was Rodwell. Hughes was rightly pilloried for the job he did at QPR. MON started well at Villa but everyone from owner to players to fans were highly sick of him by the time he left and that marked the start of his decline. You can’t keep explaining away all his failures, the buck stops with the manager. He can’t be completely responsible for all his successes and blameless for his failures. He's 65 years old of course He's had failures as well as successes. If you have never had a failure you have never learned anything 😉👍 experience. People say get a young manager etc etc. He's doing well here etc etc, his failures havnt come yet so what experience does he draw from when the shit hits the fan? ‘Experience’ can be a burden. It comes back, again, to being set in your ways, to being risk averse. Not being encumbered with it can actually be an advantage. And the issue with O’Neill isn’t that he’s had successes and failures, but that his successes at club level are fast disappearing over the horizon.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2018 1:07:20 GMT
Johnson wasn’t a good player for Sunderland and neither was Rodwell. Hughes was rightly pilloried for the job he did at QPR. MON started well at Villa but everyone from owner to players to fans were highly sick of him by the time he left and that marked the start of his decline. You can’t keep explaining away all his failures, the buck stops with the manager. He can’t be completely responsible for all his successes and blameless for his failures. O'Neil has had 6 club managerial roles, all but 1 have been a success and He's not done a bad job with the R.O.I either. That's really not a bad average Norwich wasn’t a success either was it? Villa he did well up to a point but it wasn’t an an unqualified success and is generally regarded as the start of his decline.
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 3, 2018 1:15:12 GMT
O'Neil has had 6 club managerial roles, all but 1 have been a success and He's not done a bad job with the R.O.I either. That's really not a bad average Norwich wasn’t a success either was it? Villa he did well up to a point but it wasn’t an an unqualified success and is generally regarded as the start of his decline. He had villa right up there qualifying for Europe and a top 3rd fixture, I'd class it as success myself. Not too clued up on Norwich think it was over a striker (windass) but it didn't harm his reputation so it couldn't of been a bad innings because from there he went straight to Leicester winning promotion in his first season knocking us out of the play offs on the way. Then onto Celtic. It really isn't a bad c.v at all we could do a lot worse
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 3, 2018 1:37:26 GMT
O'Neil has had 6 club managerial roles, all but 1 have been a success and He's not done a bad job with the R.O.I either. That's really not a bad average Norwich wasn’t a success either was it? Villa he did well up to a point but it wasn’t an an unqualified success and is generally regarded as the start of his decline. It looks like he did well with Aston BUT that's only from looking at it where Aston are now. His brief was to get them into the Champions League. And he failed.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2018 7:37:11 GMT
Norwich wasn’t a success either was it? Villa he did well up to a point but it wasn’t an an unqualified success and is generally regarded as the start of his decline. He had villa right up there qualifying for Europe and a top 3rd fixture, I'd class it as success myself. Not too clued up on Norwich think it was over a striker (windass) but it didn't harm his reputation so it couldn't of been a bad innings because from there he went straight to Leicester winning promotion in his first season knocking us out of the play offs on the way. Then onto Celtic. It really isn't a bad c.v at all we could do a lot worse Ask Villa fans about him or look at what they say about him on their forums. For all the early good, it went sour in the end. They don’t exactly eulogise about him. My point is that the good stuff was years ago now. Managers lose it and get past it just like players do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 7:42:37 GMT
British only please, then let the manager go buy all foreign players that don't speak nor understand English.
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Post by arnie3010 on Jan 3, 2018 7:50:07 GMT
Exactly and with Ireland his personal is restricted and Sunderland were dire but that was not his team. As you say, proper wingers & pace coming to a ground near you. Abt sodding time too, proper football Sunderland very much was his team - he was allowed to spend £45m on Fletcher, Rodwell and Johnson alone, back when that was a lot of money. A lot of the problems they (and Villa) have had have stemmed from the dross he left them with. Rodwell wasn't his signing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 7:54:18 GMT
People sound surprised?
I said this months ago to hoots of derision from some quarters. Might still be wrong mind, but the odds are heavily stacked that way. He's ALWAYS spoke out for British managers.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Jan 3, 2018 8:08:18 GMT
Im convinced that the board have no idea how the modern game is now run. Looking purely at British managers?! fuck really?!.
No confidence in them whatsoever. These goons look like they're taking us down.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2018 8:08:51 GMT
Sunderland very much was his team - he was allowed to spend £45m on Fletcher, Rodwell and Johnson alone, back when that was a lot of money. A lot of the problems they (and Villa) have had have stemmed from the dross he left them with. Rodwell wasn't his signing. Fair play, thought he’d been there longer than that. Danny Graham for £5m another MON Sunderland gem...
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Post by NassauDave on Jan 3, 2018 8:38:07 GMT
If you're sick, wouldn't you opt for the most qualified doctor regardless of nationality? Unless he’s Nigerian and requires a bank account number up front.
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Post by superheroantonius on Jan 3, 2018 8:39:14 GMT
This has turned into a horror film
I will probably wake up tomorrow and find out that coates has gone for a steve mcclaren/ garth crooks dream ticket
I want the new dr who, she must british surely?? she can take us back to playing at the victoria ground with jimmy greenhoff up front
And i can sleep soundly at night again
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Post by mrred on Jan 3, 2018 10:02:53 GMT
Called it.
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Post by Northy on Jan 3, 2018 10:09:43 GMT
That doesn’t mean it will forever. Personally I'd prefer a British bloke that knows the league & the players in it myself weve got one of those who seems to sign foreign players who turn out to be duds. maybe a foreign manager may know foreign players better?
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