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Post by sunshnesdad on Dec 31, 2017 12:05:31 GMT
As an "oldie" who remembers watching Stanley Matthews in his last days at Stoke, and the 1972 League Cup Fial win at Wembley, I watched yesterday's Chelsea game live on French TV.
For me, Stoke were embarrassingly poor. The body language was shocking. There seemed to be no team spirit, no "fight" - just a group of demoralised players.
Worse, whilst his opposition manager Conte was ultra-active in his box, instructing and motivating his players, Hughes was either sitting down with a frown on his face, or standing up in his box, "zombie-like", not interacting with the team - and with a big frown on his face!
I got the impression, rightly or wrongly, that he felt "the game was up", in more ways than one.
I feel that had the Stoke Chairman not been known to be a kind and patient chairman, and if there were possible replacements available (not the case) Hughes would soon be on his bike.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 31, 2017 12:08:13 GMT
Of all the problems we have with the manager, him not being a whirling dervish on the sidelines isn’t one of them.
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 31, 2017 12:13:32 GMT
When things were shit with the previous manager his ongoing ranting from the sidelines was deemed to be undermining the players and the action of a control freak. Now things are shit with Hughes he gets called out for not ongoingly ranting from the sidelines.
The conclusion we reach is... it doesn't matter a bit. All it proves is when things are not going well every single aspect will get criticised. Relevant or not.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 31, 2017 13:00:41 GMT
When things were shit with the previous manager his ongoing ranting from the sidelines was deemed to be undermining the players and the action of a control freak. Now things are shit with Hughes he gets called out for not ongoingly ranting from the sidelines. The conclusion we reach is... it doesn't matter a bit. All it proves is when things are not going well every single aspect will get criticised. Relevant or not. His apparent lack of passion on the side lines mirror what is playing out on the pitch, he occasionally flaps his arms around like a demented duck normally sits in the dugout staring at his shoes. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 31, 2017 13:02:49 GMT
And he's done that since the get-go, it didn't seem to be a problem during the first couple of seasons?
It's almost as if it's had no bearing whatsoever on anything...
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Dec 31, 2017 13:04:19 GMT
I still believe that the problems are not all down to Hughes.
Coates & his band of merry yes men are more than to blame for the mess we now find ourselves in.
Penny pinching with loan players & free transfers was never going to work in this league dithering over whether to back or sack your manager & his backroom staff has backfired big time.
We can still survive this season but its a big ask we need 6 wins & 2 draws at least to have a chance of staying here & Coates needs to back Hughes with serious money this Janurary or replace him sharpish to give someone a fair chance of turning things round.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 31, 2017 13:04:35 GMT
When things were shit with the previous manager his ongoing ranting from the sidelines was deemed to be undermining the players and the action of a control freak. Now things are shit with Hughes he gets called out for not ongoingly ranting from the sidelines. The conclusion we reach is... it doesn't matter a bit. All it proves is when things are not going well every single aspect will get criticised. Relevant or not. His apparent lack of passion on the side lines mirror what is playing out on the pitch, he occasionally flaps his arms around like a demented duck normally sits in the dugout staring at his shoes. Demented duck!  I'm just trying to picture a demented duck. Anybody got a picture of one? |
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Post by Sfance on Dec 31, 2017 13:14:19 GMT
Well said Notbeaten. I suspect that Hughes, as sad a manager as he is, is not the real problem.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 31, 2017 14:26:21 GMT
His apparent lack of passion on the side lines mirror what is playing out on the pitch, he occasionally flaps his arms around like a demented duck normally sits in the dugout staring at his shoes. Demented duck! I'm just trying to picture a demented duck. Anybody got a picture of one? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 15:24:29 GMT
Of all the problems we have with the manager, him not being a whirling dervish on the sidelines isn’t one of them. I disagree. The players take their instructions from the top and if the grey haired, dour Welshman sits on his arse in the dugout, it says “I don’t care” and this is the attitude the playeds have. If you see your manager, such as Conte or Klopp, showing you passion and desire on the touchline, the players are likely to follow suit. |
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Post by NassauDave on Dec 31, 2017 15:32:03 GMT
There’s a picture in The Daily Mail of Conte and the referee having an absolute giggle on the pitch after the game.
Embarrassing......
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Post by loosestools on Dec 31, 2017 15:34:13 GMT
Just like the crowd really. Mostly zombies at the moment and there are clearly good reasons for that. I spend a lot of my time looking at my feet because its more entertaining than watching hoofball
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Post by onionman on Dec 31, 2017 15:42:34 GMT
"Go on Xherdan" doesn't have the same ring.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 31, 2017 16:24:28 GMT
Of all the problems we have with the manager, him not being a whirling dervish on the sidelines isn’t one of them. I disagree. The players take their instructions from the top and if the grey haired, dour Welshman sits on his arse in the dugout, it says “I don’t care” and this is the attitude the playeds have. If you see your manager, such as Conte or Klopp, showing you passion and desire on the touchline, the players are likely to follow suit. So why were we able to finish top 10 with this dour, passionless manager but not under a bloke who spent the entire game excitedly coaching from the touchline? Conte and Klopp haven't got where they are because they jump about for 90 minutes, but because they're to varying degrees either tactically shrewd (like Conte) or know how they want to set up and are capable of improving players through coaching (Klopp). What they do on the sidelines is neither here nor there. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 31, 2017 16:24:36 GMT
Demented duck! I'm just trying to picture a demented duck. Anybody got a picture of one? Uncanny likeness  |
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Post by GoBoks on Dec 31, 2017 16:58:46 GMT
When things were shit with the previous manager his ongoing ranting from the sidelines was deemed to be undermining the players and the action of a control freak. Now things are shit with Hughes he gets called out for not ongoingly ranting from the sidelines. The conclusion we reach is... it doesn't matter a bit. All it proves is when things are not going well every single aspect will get criticised. Relevant or not. The real conclusion is : No matter what an out-of-favour person does, they'll get slammed for it. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 31, 2017 17:02:51 GMT
Apt Title.
Our players look like the walkers in The Walking Dead.
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 31, 2017 22:45:49 GMT
When things were shit with the previous manager his ongoing ranting from the sidelines was deemed to be undermining the players and the action of a control freak. Now things are shit with Hughes he gets called out for not ongoingly ranting from the sidelines. The conclusion we reach is... it doesn't matter a bit. All it proves is when things are not going well every single aspect will get criticised. Relevant or not. The real conclusion is : No matter what an out-of-favour person does, they'll get slammed for it. Yep. 100% |
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Post by GoBoks on Dec 31, 2017 22:54:31 GMT
The real conclusion is : No matter what an out-of-favour person does, they'll get slammed for it. Yep. 100% Have a great 2018 down there Joe. |
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Post by hanibal7 on Dec 31, 2017 23:06:22 GMT
As an "oldie" who remembers watching Stanley Matthews in his last days at Stoke, and the 1972 League Cup Fial win at Wembley, I watched yesterday's Chelsea game live on French TV. For me, Stoke were embarrassingly poor. The body language was shocking. There seemed to be no team spirit, no "fight" - just a group of demoralised players. Worse, whilst his opposition manager Conte was ultra-active in his box, instructing and motivating his players, Hughes was either sitting down with a frown on his face, or standing up in his box, "zombie-like", not interacting with the team - and with a big frown on his face! I got the impression, rightly or wrongly, that he felt "the game was up", in more ways than one. I feel that had the Stoke Chairman not been known to be a kind and patient chairman, and if there were possible replacements available (not the case) Hughes would soon be on his bike. Perhaps he had heart burn, or the shits. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 31, 2017 23:21:12 GMT
Have a great 2018 down there Joe. Thank you. It's been ok so far. A win v Newcastle will kick it in beautifully ☺ |
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Post by pb1863 on Dec 31, 2017 23:26:32 GMT
‘It’s not the nature of myself as a person and I wasn’t like that as a player. I wanted to win every game I went into, but today we didn’t’ have enough tools to effect a very good Chelsea side’ Hughes quoted in the media
Surprising as there are plenty of tools inc himself, Bowen & Niedzwiecki
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Post by onionman on Dec 31, 2017 23:34:35 GMT
The most animated managers we ever had were Chris Kamara and Alan Ball. The least animated have been Johan "Chips in the dugout" Boskamp and Mark Hughes.
In conclusion, it doesn't make much difference what the bloke in the technical area is doing if the players on the pitch are Kofi Nyamah, Tony Ellis, Marlon Broomes or Kevin Wimmer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 23:42:58 GMT
The most animated managers we ever had were Chris Kamara and Alan Ball. The least animated have been Johan "Chips in the dugout" Boskamp and Mark Hughes. In conclusion, it doesn't make much difference what the bloke in the technical area is doing if the players on the pitch are Kofi Nyamah, Tony Ellis, Marlon Broomes or Kevin Wimmer. The best point of the thread so far. But when things are going wrong on the pitch, fans love to see their manager feeling the despair, it's only natural as Crowded House once said. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 31, 2017 23:48:27 GMT
The most animated managers we ever had were Chris Kamara and Alan Ball. The least animated have been Johan "Chips in the dugout" Boskamp and Mark Hughes. In conclusion, it doesn't make much difference what the bloke in the technical area is doing if the players on the pitch are Kofi Nyamah, Tony Ellis, Marlon Broomes or Kevin Wimmer. The best point of the thread so far. But when things are going wrong on the pitch, fans love to see their manager feeling the despair, it's only natural as Crowded House once said. Indeed. It’s a meaningless comfort blanket. |
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 1, 2018 0:33:17 GMT
Have a great 2018 down there Joe. Thank you. It's been ok so far. A win v Newcastle will kick it in beautifully ☺ And so say all of us!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2018 0:41:29 GMT
The best point of the thread so far. But when things are going wrong on the pitch, fans love to see their manager feeling the despair, it's only natural as Crowded House once said. Indeed. It’s a meaningless comfort blanket. It would be nice to know that our players are getting a good bollocking now and again though wouldn't it? I agree that jumping around like a mad man on the touchline doesn't automatically mean you have a top class manager in charge but everything seems a bit too happy campers at Stoke these days and has done for a good while now. |
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Post by generationex on Jan 1, 2018 2:18:29 GMT
I disagree. The players take their instructions from the top and if the grey haired, dour Welshman sits on his arse in the dugout, it says “I don’t care” and this is the attitude the playeds have. If you see your manager, such as Conte or Klopp, showing you passion and desire on the touchline, the players are likely to follow suit. So why were we able to finish top 10 with this dour, passionless manager but not under a bloke who spent the entire game excitedly coaching from the touchline? Conte and Klopp haven't got where they are because they jump about for 90 minutes, but because they're to varying degrees either tactically shrewd (like Conte) or know how they want to set up and are capable of improving players through coaching (Klopp). What they do on the sidelines is neither here nor there. True. But if you’re given good players and replace them with shit it doesn’t matter if you jump around or not. You’ve failed once you’ve pissed your inheritance up the wall. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 1, 2018 8:13:55 GMT
So why were we able to finish top 10 with this dour, passionless manager but not under a bloke who spent the entire game excitedly coaching from the touchline? Conte and Klopp haven't got where they are because they jump about for 90 minutes, but because they're to varying degrees either tactically shrewd (like Conte) or know how they want to set up and are capable of improving players through coaching (Klopp). What they do on the sidelines is neither here nor there. True. But if you’re given good players and replace them with shit it doesn’t matter if you jump around or not. You’ve failed once you’ve pissed your inheritance up the wall. His ‘inheritance’ was a squad of dispirited, divided players on a downward spiral who couldn’t score to save their lives. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 1, 2018 9:23:41 GMT
When you get absolutely bum fucked with the absurd and unacceptable regularity that we do, to see Hughes staring into space with the expression of a man considering whether to have garden or processed peas for his tea, it just adds to the overall impression that he doesn't have a clue. Marry that to his deluded post match review of the aforementioned humping, you realise this is a man who has lost all grip on reality.
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