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Post by Gods on Dec 27, 2017 11:36:57 GMT
Obstruction inside the penalty area is not a penalty and the referee should award an indirect free kick for that offence. In the Joe Allen incident, an indirect free kick should have been awarded. In the Diouf incident, it was definitely a penalty. OS. Do we still have 'obstruction' you so rarely ever hear it these days? If you do then I would agree and say that was absolutely what Allen did, attempted to shield the ball from his opponent by putting his body between him and the ball and in trying to reach the ball he fell over Allen. Diouf simply had his legs swept from under him as he was about to win the game for Stoke City. I think the ref didn't give it to appease the crowd and even up the previous incident which he must have nearly given.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 11:38:21 GMT
On diouf. I didn't think it was at the game as it looked for all the world that diouf had slipped. Definite penalty though and the ball not over the line by fractions. If it wasnt for bad luck, it feels like we'd get none. Not a penalty for me, and neither was their’s though. The part I still can’t fathom out on Diouf’s effort is the game restarted (if my memory is correct) with a free kick to Huddersfield. I really can’t see why. Not offside, nowhere near a foul, so was it for a high foot? If it was that’s just embarrassing from the refs point of view.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 27, 2017 11:39:37 GMT
There's wasn't a penalty for me. Allen is shepharding the ball out and doesn't even make a challenge Come-bye! You'd think Allen being from deepest darkest Pembrokeshire would be better at shepherding wouldn't you? Baaaa.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 11:45:18 GMT
You'd think Allen being from deepest darkest Pembrokeshire would be better at shepherding wouldn't you? Baaaa. He's into chickens not sheep mate. He knows a fowl when he sees one.....
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Post by Gods on Dec 27, 2017 11:45:21 GMT
You'd think Allen being from deepest darkest Pembrokeshire would be better at shepherding wouldn't you? Baaaa. Hens are Joe's thing, you can't help but like a pro-footballer who takes care of hens when he could be indulging in all kinds of other activities!
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 27, 2017 11:46:29 GMT
You'd think Allen being from deepest darkest Pembrokeshire would be better at shepherding wouldn't you? Baaaa. He's into chickens not sheep mate. He knows a fowl when he sees one..... He's Welsh though mate. It's in the genes.
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 27, 2017 11:52:20 GMT
You'd think Allen being from deepest darkest Pembrokeshire would be better at shepherding wouldn't you? Baaaa. Hens are Joe's thing, you can't help but like a pro-footballer who takes care of hens when he could be indulging in all kinds of other activities! So was it a fowl, or not?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 12:01:23 GMT
Hens are Joe's thing, you can't help but like a pro-footballer who takes care of hens when he could be indulging in all kinds of other activities! So was it a fowl, or not? Looks like a Rhode Island Red to me mate looking at that photo.....
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 27, 2017 12:04:02 GMT
Danny Murphey was talking bollocks on MOTD as per usual. "Shepherding" the ball out. Bizarre how we can have such different views. I have been watching footy for thirty years and without a hint of bias I can say that is never a penalty. As a defender the whole point is getting your body between the man and the ball. Mooy brought him down. Never in a million years is that a peno and you, bayern and anyone else who thinks it is is talking out of their arse! They were both penalties. Allen completely cuts across him and takes him out. Stone wall.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 27, 2017 12:05:42 GMT
So was it a fowl, or not? Looks like a Rhode Island Red to me mate looking at that photo..... Is that a Norwegian Blue trying to get in on the act?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 27, 2017 12:06:16 GMT
Bizarre how we can have such different views. I have been watching footy for thirty years and without a hint of bias I can say that is never a penalty. As a defender the whole point is getting your body between the man and the ball. Mooy brought him down. Never in a million years is that a peno and you, bayern and anyone else who thinks it is is talking out of their arse! They were both penalties. Allen completely cuts across him and takes him out. Stone wall. Drystone wall?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 12:14:04 GMT
They were both penalties. Allen completely cuts across him and takes him out. Stone wall. Drystone wall? Is there anything shitter in football than the phrase "Stonewall penalty" ? Actually thinking about it there is: "he scored a worldie" "there was a coming together" "The EPL" Putting the first letter of a players christian name in front of his shortened surname to make a completely new but unbelievably shit name (hello "G-Cam") Apart from the above is there anything shitter in football than the phrase "Stonewall penalty" ?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 27, 2017 12:19:05 GMT
Is there anything shitter in football than the phrase "Stonewall penalty" ? Actually thinking about it there is: "he scored a worldie" "there was a coming together" "The EPL" Putting the first letter of a players christian name in front of his shortened surname to make a completely new but unbelievably shit name (hello "G-Cam") Apart from the above is there anything shitter in football than the phrase "Stonewall penalty" ? 'He had every right to go down'
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 27, 2017 13:32:20 GMT
At the time I didn’t think it was a penalty for Huddersfield, their player never touched the ball and never looked like getting to it Allen did what most players do and got himself between the player and the ball and had more chance of getting to the ball, he pushed Allen in the back and if anything fouled Allen, this shepherding thing is seen at every match every week, how many defenders get themselves in front of the opposition player to see the ball out and never actually touch the ball? As for the Diouf decision it was absolutely a penalty but the ref bottled it, perhaps there was doubt in his mind about the Allen decision a few minutes earlier, that what it seemed like at the time and nothing I’ve seen since has changed my opinion. Gouranga.
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Post by Gods on Dec 27, 2017 13:51:35 GMT
At the time I didn’t think it was a penalty for Huddersfield, their player never touched the ball and never looked like getting to it Allen did what most players do and got himself between the player and the ball and had more chance of getting to the ball, he pushed Allen in the back and if anything fouled Allen, this shepherding thing is seen at every match every week, how many defenders get themselves in front of the opposition player to see the ball out and never actually touch the ball? As for the Diouf decision it was absolutely a penalty but the ref bottled it, perhaps there was doubt in his mind about the Allen decision a few minutes earlier, that what it seemed like at the time and nothing I’ve seen since has changed my opinion. Gouranga. That's correct. We were either very unlucky or shafted my the match official depending on your view of humanity.
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Post by stokeyank on Dec 27, 2017 13:56:14 GMT
Bizarre how we can have such different views. I have been watching footy for thirty years and without a hint of bias I can say that is never a penalty. As a defender the whole point is getting your body between the man and the ball. Mooy brought him down. Never in a million years is that a peno and you, bayern and anyone else who thinks it is is talking out of their arse! They were both penalties. Allen completely cuts across him and takes him out. Stone wall. Honest question, if Allen does that in another part of the pitch is it a foul? My initial reaction was no, but I have seen it called both ways. Basically gets between the player and the ball with a bit of contact. By the book I would even say maybe, tough one to me.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 27, 2017 13:57:55 GMT
They were both penalties. Allen completely cuts across him and takes him out. Stone wall. Honest question, if Allen does that in another part of the pitch is it a foul? My initial reaction was no, but I have seen it called both ways. Basically gets between the player and the ball with a bit of contact. By the book I would even say maybe, tough one to me. Yes, anywhere on the pitch it's a foul. I can't believe people are actually trying to say that isn't a foul. Stone wall penalty.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 15:04:24 GMT
Danny Murphey was talking bollocks on MOTD as per usual. "Shepherding" the ball out. Bizarre how we can have such different views. I have been watching footy for thirty years and without a hint of bias I can say that is never a penalty. As a defender the whole point is getting your body between the man and the ball. Mooy brought him down. Never in a million years is that a peno and you, bayern and anyone else who thinks it is is talking out of their arse! I would agree if it were Mooy that brought him down. It wasn't, Joe threw himself through the man.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 15:06:59 GMT
Obstruction inside the penalty area is not a penalty and the referee should award an indirect free kick for that offence. In the Joe Allen incident, an indirect free kick should have been awarded. In the Diouf incident, it was definitely a penalty. OS. Do we still have 'obstruction' you so rarely ever hear it these days? If you do then I would agree and say that was absolutely what Allen did, attempted to shield the ball from his opponent by putting his body between him and the ball and in trying to reach the ball he fell over Allen. Diouf simply had his legs swept from under him as he was about to win the game for Stoke City. I think the ref didn't give it to appease the crowd and even up the previous incident which he must have nearly given. It would be shepherding the ball if Joe put himself in front of Mooy, he didn't, he went through him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2017 19:38:51 GMT
Obstruction is a foul...... There is no such thing as obstruction in football anymore. The offence is now 'impeding the progress of a player' and the penalty for that and the old obstruction offence is and always was an indirect free kick and therefore not a penalty. Except I don't think it was obstruction, I think he's fouled him. He's got handsy and had to pull at him. We got lucky.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 27, 2017 21:56:53 GMT
There is no such thing as obstruction in football anymore. The offence is now 'impeding the progress of a player' and the penalty for that and the old obstruction offence is and always was an indirect free kick and therefore not a penalty. Except I don't think it was obstruction, I think he's fouled him. He's got handsy and had to pull at him. We got lucky. Whereas I think you're wrong. They were both having a bit of a grapple and Joe just happened to get in front of him. It was impeding an opponent at worst and no foul at best. So we didn't get lucky. In actual fact we got very unlucky because the trip on Diouf was the most obvious penalty you're likely to see.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2017 22:17:58 GMT
Except I don't think it was obstruction, I think he's fouled him. He's got handsy and had to pull at him. We got lucky. Whereas I think you're wrong. They were both having a bit of a grapple and Joe just happened to get in front of him. It was impeding an opponent at worst and no foul at best. So we didn't get lucky. In actual fact we got very unlucky because the trip on Diouf was the most obvious penalty you're likely to see. And Allen got in front of him by fouling him. Without it l. He wouldn't have done. So yes, we were lucky.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 27, 2017 22:21:12 GMT
Whereas I think you're wrong. They were both having a bit of a grapple and Joe just happened to get in front of him. It was impeding an opponent at worst and no foul at best. So we didn't get lucky. In actual fact we got very unlucky because the trip on Diouf was the most obvious penalty you're likely to see. And Allen got in front of him by fouling him. Without it l. He wouldn't have done. So yes, we were lucky. And I, a number of other people and most importantly the referee think you are wrong.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2017 22:33:20 GMT
And Allen got in front of him by fouling him. Without it l. He wouldn't have done. So yes, we were lucky. And I, a number of other people and most importantly the referee think you are wrong. The referee? 😂😂 The same one who didn't give such a cast iron peno for us as you said? Good one that!
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 27, 2017 22:44:33 GMT
And I, a number of other people and most importantly the referee think you are wrong. The referee? 😂😂 The same one who didn't give such a cast iron peno for us as you said? Good one that! And then you wonder why you piss so many people off with your supercilious, Nobby Knowall attitude. You THINK it was a penalty, I don't. It wasn't. Get over it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2017 22:48:21 GMT
The referee? 😂😂 The same one who didn't give such a cast iron peno for us as you said? Good one that! And then you wonder why you piss so many people off with your supercilious, Nobby Knowall attitude. You THINK it was a penalty, I don't. It wasn't. Get over it. I've literally disagreed with you, you've got arsey I haven't backed down and then used a bloke you slated to back your argument up and then I've pointed that out as being daft, you've realised and gone off on one! 😂 I'm not the one who needs to get over this......
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 27, 2017 23:00:37 GMT
And then you wonder why you piss so many people off with your supercilious, Nobby Knowall attitude. You THINK it was a penalty, I don't. It wasn't. Get over it. I've literally disagreed with you, you've got arsey I haven't backed down and then used a bloke you slated to back your argument up and then I've pointed that out as being daft, you've realised and gone off on one! 😂 I'm not the one who needs to get over this...... It's of little consequence because, get this, it wasn't a penalty. I'm over it already.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2017 23:03:36 GMT
I've literally disagreed with you, you've got arsey I haven't backed down and then used a bloke you slated to back your argument up and then I've pointed that out as being daft, you've realised and gone off on one! 😂 I'm not the one who needs to get over this...... It's of little consequence because, get this, it wasn't a penalty. I'm over it already. It wasn't but it should have been, as should ours but the ref disagreed so we're both wrong. 😂😂
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 27, 2017 23:09:06 GMT
It's of little consequence because, get this, it wasn't a penalty. I'm over it already. It wasn't but it should have been, as should ours but the ref disagreed so we're both wrong. 😂😂 I'm more than happy to accept your last comment if it means you've admitted to being wrong
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2017 23:17:06 GMT
It wasn't but it should have been, as should ours but the ref disagreed so we're both wrong. 😂😂 I'm more than happy to accept your last comment if it means you've admitted to being wrong Nah, they both definitely should have penos. 👍😂
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