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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 27, 2017 0:11:45 GMT
On diouf. I didn't think it was at the game as it looked for all the world that diouf had slipped.
Definite penalty though and the ball not over the line by fractions. If it wasnt for bad luck, it feels like we'd get none.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 27, 2017 0:15:53 GMT
I totally missed it at the game as well, dont recall a big fuss around me about it, can't really blame the ref.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Dec 27, 2017 0:19:00 GMT
looked like a penalty, but happy with the point to be honest... They had a shout for one as well
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Post by miltonstokienew on Dec 27, 2017 0:25:28 GMT
I totally missed it at the game as well, dont recall a big fuss around me about it, can't really blame the ref. Can’t blame the ref ... why’s that then ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 0:28:13 GMT
They had a stonewaller turned down too, evened out.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 27, 2017 0:31:11 GMT
They had a stonewaller turned down too, evened out. There's wasn't a penalty for me. Allen is shepharding the ball out and doesn't even make a challenge
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 0:32:01 GMT
They had a stonewaller turned down too, evened out. There's wasn't a penalty for me. Allen is shepharding the ball out and doesn't even make a challenge Allen's literally put his entire body through their player and not touched the ball, it's clear as can be.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 27, 2017 0:33:48 GMT
There's wasn't a penalty for me. Allen is shepharding the ball out and doesn't even make a challenge Allen's literally put his entire body through their player and not touched the ball, it's clear as can be. Clearly it isnt as clear as mama's because the motd panel are universal in their view that it was a penalty but are split on the huddersfield one
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 0:43:05 GMT
Allen's literally put his entire body through their player and not touched the ball, it's clear as can be. Clearly it isnt as clear as mama's because the motd panel are universal in their view that it was a penalty but are split on the huddersfield one The only match of the day panelist who thought it wasn't a penalty was Danny Murphy. That is not proof. Allen threw himself through Mooy, maybe not intentional but it's very clearly a pen. Diouf got clipped and that's also a pen.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2017 1:05:11 GMT
Both should have been penos.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 27, 2017 1:20:24 GMT
Danny Murphey was talking bollocks on MOTD as per usual. "Shepherding" the ball out.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 27, 2017 6:36:44 GMT
I totally missed it at the game as well, dont recall a big fuss around me about it, can't really blame the ref. Can’t blame the ref ... why’s that then ? Because most of the crowd missed it as well as him.
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 27, 2017 7:25:16 GMT
I thought they were both penalties. And I watched again this morning and thought the same. I'll watch yet again later on tell you if I have altered my viewpoint
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 27, 2017 7:30:03 GMT
They had a stonewaller turned down too, evened out. There's wasn't a penalty for me. Allen is shepharding the ball out and doesn't even make a challenge Come-bye!
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 27, 2017 7:48:04 GMT
Haven’t seen any of the incidents so can’t comment. But the whole issue of the "shepherding" the ball out of play is often just plain obstruction. You often see a defender leaning back into a player to prevent them getting to the ball which is a blatant foul in my book and should be a penalty. However non-contact obstruction, which most shepherding incidents are, is punishable by an indirect free kick.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 27, 2017 7:48:42 GMT
Danny Murphey was talking bollocks on MOTD as per usual. "Shepherding" the ball out. Bizarre how we can have such different views. I have been watching footy for thirty years and without a hint of bias I can say that is never a penalty. As a defender the whole point is getting your body between the man and the ball. Mooy brought him down. Never in a million years is that a peno and you, bayern and anyone else who thinks it is is talking out of their arse!
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Post by malteser68 on Dec 27, 2017 7:48:55 GMT
I thought they were both penalties. And I watched again this morning and thought the same. I'll watch yet again later on tell you if I have altered my viewpoint I agree with you Joe
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 27, 2017 7:50:31 GMT
Haven’t seen any of the incidents so can’t comment. But the whole issue of the "shepherding" the ball out of play is often just plain obstruction. You often see a defender leaning back into a player to prevent them getting to the ball which is a blatant foul in my book and should be a penalty. However non-contact obstruction, which most shepherding incidents are, is punishable by an indirect free kick. Yes I have never seen a peno given for such an incident, but I have seen an indirect free kick given once, I remember when stoke played reading at elm park back in the 90's, that was a very similar incident to joe allen. In fact wasnt it Paul Allen on that occasion?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 27, 2017 8:34:19 GMT
Clearly it isnt as clear as mama's because the motd panel are universal in their view that it was a penalty but are split on the huddersfield one The only match of the day panelist who thought it wasn't a penalty was Danny Murphy. That is not proof. Allen threw himself through Mooy, maybe not intentional but it's very clearly a pen. Diouf got clipped and that's also a pen. Didn't say it was but it obviously isn't clear cut as you say if there is room to challenge it...and there was so it obviously wasn't as clear cut as you suggest
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Post by serpico on Dec 27, 2017 9:12:04 GMT
On first viewing at real speed i thought Diouf had slipped so i can understand why the ref didn't give it, but he was definitely clipped by the Huddersfield player. I think had the Allen one happened at the other end we'd be screaming for a pen, so it probably evens itself out in the end.
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Post by lancashirelad on Dec 27, 2017 9:59:40 GMT
Like Glasgow says i thought possibly obstruction as Allen was holding off an opponent and goal side.
In home game with Chelsea Jesse cut in on the byeline and Cahill threw his body/back across him as he moved towards goal and brought him down i thought that was clear penalty but Mike Dean of course had other ideas, my point Cahill's was a foul but Allen's was obstruction at best.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 27, 2017 10:10:57 GMT
The only thing I'll say where their Peno was concerned is that he never had the ball under any control......in fact, I'm not sure he actually touched the ball??? Allen got the better side of him......
However, Allen made it look like a clumsy challenge!!!
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 27, 2017 10:13:43 GMT
Allen clearly played the man, not the ball. I can't believe it wasn't given.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2017 10:17:39 GMT
Danny Murphey was talking bollocks on MOTD as per usual. "Shepherding" the ball out. Bizarre how we can have such different views. I have been watching footy for thirty years and without a hint of bias I can say that is never a penalty. As a defender the whole point is getting your body between the man and the ball. Mooy brought him down. Never in a million years is that a peno and you, bayern and anyone else who thinks it is is talking out of their arse! He's the wrong side of him and then starts grabbing. It was bad defending and he had to foul to get in a position to get in between the goal and the player. He was too handsy to be shepherding it out. It was a foul all day long.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2017 10:18:45 GMT
Like Glasgow says i thought possibly obstruction as Allen was holding off an opponent and goal side. In home game with Chelsea Jesse cut in on the byeline and Cahill threw his body/back across him as he moved towards goal and brought him down i thought that was clear penalty but Mike Dean of course had other ideas, my point Cahill's was a foul but Allen's was obstruction at best. Obstruction is a foul......
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Post by metalhead on Dec 27, 2017 10:22:15 GMT
Bizarre how we can have such different views. I have been watching footy for thirty years and without a hint of bias I can say that is never a penalty. As a defender the whole point is getting your body between the man and the ball. Mooy brought him down. Never in a million years is that a peno and you, bayern and anyone else who thinks it is is talking out of their arse! He's the wrong side of him and then starts grabbing. It was bad defending and he had to foul to get in a position to get in between the goal and the player. He was too handsy to be shepherding it out. It was a foul all day long. I thought so. Looked very clumsy.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2017 10:24:33 GMT
He's the wrong side of him and then starts grabbing. It was bad defending and he had to foul to get in a position to get in between the goal and the player. He was too handsy to be shepherding it out. It was a foul all day long. I thought so. Looked very clumsy. It was, he was all over him. I'd be screaming for that for us. As soon as he starts grabbing, he's asking for trouble.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 11:24:05 GMT
Two clear pens IMHO. Ours simply wasn’t given as they didn’t get there’s. It’s not right but we know things like that happen.
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 27, 2017 11:26:41 GMT
Obstruction inside the penalty area is not a penalty and the referee should award an indirect free kick for that offence. In the Joe Allen incident, an indirect free kick should have been awarded. In the Diouf incident, it was definitely a penalty.
OS.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 27, 2017 11:33:20 GMT
Like Glasgow says i thought possibly obstruction as Allen was holding off an opponent and goal side. In home game with Chelsea Jesse cut in on the byeline and Cahill threw his body/back across him as he moved towards goal and brought him down i thought that was clear penalty but Mike Dean of course had other ideas, my point Cahill's was a foul but Allen's was obstruction at best. Obstruction is a foul...... There is no such thing as obstruction in football anymore. The offence is now 'impeding the progress of a player' and the penalty for that and the old obstruction offence is and always was an indirect free kick and therefore not a penalty.
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