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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 29, 2017 12:55:11 GMT
These reports are quite astounding. Three years ago he was tearing defences apart with pace and finishing. Perhaps his drugs addiction has taken its toll both mentally and physically coupled with Hughes refusing to give him a decent run of games which looks like has affected his attitude. I think the last few games against teams around us would have been the ideal opportunit6 for one last roll of the dice. Throwing him in against Chelsea as his first start of the season is ludicrous. Exactly. I don't believe for one minute a 23 year old forgets how to play football after going all through the England youth & showing good promise It does happen though. Application can’t be taught. See Ricketts, Michael.
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Post by Wizbit on Dec 29, 2017 13:05:37 GMT
Stick him up top in a pair tomorrow let him have 90 mins
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 29, 2017 13:06:01 GMT
Exactly. I don't believe for one minute a 23 year old forgets how to play football after going all through the England youth & showing good promise It does happen though. Application can’t be taught. See Ricketts, Michael. O.k I'll give you rickets but I'm not convinced Berahino is the same & won't be until we are organised by someone with half a clue
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Dec 29, 2017 13:08:10 GMT
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 29, 2017 13:08:10 GMT
Writing Berahino off under these circumstances is the same as buying a road racing push bike to go offroading then moaning it's not up to the job, waste of money etc etc
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 14:13:58 GMT
Maybe he is just plain, 'fucking shit' and we've made an astronomical fuck up ? (Glady -I can look back upon my input to the debate at the time saying, this would probably be a disasterous mistake of epic proportions)
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 29, 2017 14:19:58 GMT
Writing Berahino off under these circumstances is the same as buying a road racing push bike to go offroading then moaning it's not up to the job, waste of money etc etc It might be. Or it might be that we’ve bought one second hand and it’s fucked.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 29, 2017 14:22:08 GMT
Still can’t help but feel sorry for him. On the bench game after game yetvwhether we’re good, bad or indifferent he can’t get any minutes. No doubt he’ll start at Chelsea tomorrow as a token gesture, do nothing as he won’t get the ball then back on the bench for Newcastle.
If behind the scenes he is being a complete arsehole then maybe I get it but then why not name N’Goy on the bench instead?
Hughes seems to be putting careers at risk to me, which is maybe understandable if his livelihood is on the line but Berahino, N’Goy etc should be getting game time somewhere.
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Dec 29, 2017 14:22:21 GMT
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 29, 2017 14:22:21 GMT
Writing Berahino off under these circumstances is the same as buying a road racing push bike to go offroading then moaning it's not up to the job, waste of money etc etc It might be. Or it might be that we’ve bought one second hand and it’s fucked. It may well be but I'd get someone who knows about bikes to look at it first 😁
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Dec 29, 2017 14:23:59 GMT
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 29, 2017 14:23:59 GMT
I'd even stretch as far as trying it on the road first before writing it off as useless
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Dec 29, 2017 14:32:58 GMT
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 29, 2017 14:32:58 GMT
I’m sick of hearing that “his attitude is wrong”, or “we don’t suit his style” Guidetti, Bojan, Bony, Joselu, Berahino, N’Goy, Jessé, all have different styles. They all have different personalities. None has worked out for us over any extended period of time. Bojan enjoyed the odd purple patch but have any of the others improved as footballers under Mark and the team? That's Right, maybe its les' style that is outdated
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 29, 2017 14:39:24 GMT
Writing Berahino off under these circumstances is the same as buying a road racing push bike to go offroading then moaning it's not up to the job, waste of money etc etc It might be. Or it might be that we’ve bought one second hand and it’s fucked. Or maybe that the guy cycling the bike hasn't a clue and took a wrong turn and the bike went over a cliff
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 29, 2017 14:43:31 GMT
Still can’t help but feel sorry for him. On the bench game after game yetvwhether we’re good, bad or indifferent he can’t get any minutes. No doubt he’ll start at Chelsea tomorrow as a token gesture, do nothing as he won’t get the ball then back on the bench for Newcastle. If behind the scenes he is being a complete arsehole then maybe I get it but then why not name N’Goy on the bench instead? Hughes seems to be putting careers at risk to me, which is maybe understandable if his livelihood is on the line but Berahino, N’Goy etc should be getting game time somewhere. Excuses lined up for him already if he plays. Plenty of our players have scored against the big teams, if Berahino can't score he doesn't deserve a start. It's always someone else's fault
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Dec 29, 2017 14:53:34 GMT
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 29, 2017 14:53:34 GMT
One thing is for sure the the treatment by the last two managers has halted his progress & he is Sure to be rusty & no doubt frustrated just like anyone else would be. I think we'll be lucky to get to the end of this season without frustration boiling over if something doesn't change regarding game time, no doubt it will be labeled as "bad attitude", it may well be but I can understand where the guy is coming from. He's had two managers completely derail his progress. If it was me I'd be well pissed.
Hughes should of gone by now
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 29, 2017 15:12:01 GMT
One thing is for sure the the treatment by the last two managers has halted his progress & he is Sure to be rusty & no doubt frustrated just like anyone else would be. I think we'll be lucky to get to the end of this season without frustration boiling over if something doesn't change regarding game time, no doubt it will be labeled as "bad attitude", it may well be but I can understand where the guy is coming from. He's had two managers completely derail his progress. If it was me I'd be well pissed. Hughes should of gone by now Does he have no responsibility for his own ‘progress’?
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 29, 2017 15:14:17 GMT
One thing is for sure the the treatment by the last two managers has halted his progress & he is Sure to be rusty & no doubt frustrated just like anyone else would be. I think we'll be lucky to get to the end of this season without frustration boiling over if something doesn't change regarding game time, no doubt it will be labeled as "bad attitude", it may well be but I can understand where the guy is coming from. He's had two managers completely derail his progress. If it was me I'd be well pissed. Hughes should of gone by now Does he have no responsibility for his own ‘progress’? Of course he does but first the pulis saga and now Hughes, wouldn't blame him at all if he slapped a transfer request in tbh. He's 23 he wants & needs to be playing games. Hughes' incompetence has signed a player he doesn't know what to do with
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 29, 2017 15:28:44 GMT
Does he have no responsibility for his own ‘progress’? Of course he does but first the pulis saga and now Hughes, wouldn't blame him at all if he slapped a transfer request in tbh. He's 23 he wants & needs to be playing games. Hughes' incompetence has signed a player he doesn't know what to do with He doesn’t have a divine right to be playing games. He clearly hasn’t impressed enough. I agree we shouldn’t have signed a player who doesn’t fit the system, which both our last two managers have done ad nauseum, but he has looked a shadow of the player he was in every system.
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Post by pottersrule on Dec 29, 2017 16:07:28 GMT
I’m sick of hearing that “his attitude is wrong”, or “we don’t suit his style” Guidetti, Bojan, Bony, Joselu, Berahino, N’Goy, Jessé, all have different styles. They all have different personalities. None has worked out for us over any extended period of time. Bojan enjoyed the odd purple patch but have any of the others improved as footballers under Mark and the team? None were tearing up any trees before joining Stoke though were they.Your analogy just doesn't fit.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 29, 2017 16:24:56 GMT
I’m sick of hearing that “his attitude is wrong”, or “we don’t suit his style” Guidetti, Bojan, Bony, Joselu, Berahino, N’Goy, Jessé, all have different styles. They all have different personalities. None has worked out for us over any extended period of time. Bojan enjoyed the odd purple patch but have any of the others improved as footballers under Mark and the team? None were tearing up any trees before joining Stoke though were they.Your analogy just doesn't fit. I think, given the current mood, most are giving 'facts' something of a wide berth.
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Post by hchpotter on Dec 29, 2017 16:35:52 GMT
I’m sick of hearing that “his attitude is wrong”, or “we don’t suit his style” Guidetti, Bojan, Bony, Joselu, Berahino, N’Goy, Jessé, all have different styles. They all have different personalities. None has worked out for us over any extended period of time. Bojan enjoyed the odd purple patch but have any of the others improved as footballers under Mark and the team? None were tearing up any trees before joining Stoke though were they.Your analogy just doesn't fit. I haven’t drawn an analogy. I’m simply saying we’ve bought a good few strikers. None has been succesful no matter what their style or personality is.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 29, 2017 16:41:38 GMT
Still can’t help but feel sorry for him. On the bench game after game yetvwhether we’re good, bad or indifferent he can’t get any minutes. No doubt he’ll start at Chelsea tomorrow as a token gesture, do nothing as he won’t get the ball then back on the bench for Newcastle. If behind the scenes he is being a complete arsehole then maybe I get it but then why not name N’Goy on the bench instead? Hughes seems to be putting careers at risk to me, which is maybe understandable if his livelihood is on the line but Berahino, N’Goy etc should be getting game time somewhere. Excuses lined up for him already if he plays. Plenty of our players have scored against the big teams, if Berahino can't score he doesn't deserve a start. It's always someone else's fault Plenty is pushing it. We are diabolical against the big sides and giving Berahino a game against Chelsea is hardly likely to come across as his big chance to impress. He doesn’t have a divine right to be playing football matches but he does deserve to be involved in games if he is in matchday squads. His complete annexing from the team is just strange. If you don’t trust him on the pitch don’t put him on the bench.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 29, 2017 16:59:35 GMT
I’m sick of hearing that “his attitude is wrong”, or “we don’t suit his style” Guidetti, Bojan, Bony, Joselu, Berahino, N’Goy, Jessé, all have different styles. They all have different personalities. None has worked out for us over any extended period of time. Bojan enjoyed the odd purple patch but have any of the others improved as footballers under Mark and the team? None were tearing up any trees before joining Stoke though were they.Your analogy just doesn't fit. Joselu was not doing to shabbily, seems strange after he found some decent form pre season we sold him off cheap, Hughes has failed to sign one striker that he has improved since he's been our manager, something is sadly amiss either with his judgement or his coaching/man management.
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Post by crownmeking on Dec 29, 2017 17:07:47 GMT
Does he have no responsibility for his own ‘progress’? Of course he does but first the pulis saga and now Hughes, wouldn't blame him at all if he slapped a transfer request in tbh. He's 23 he wants & needs to be playing games. Hughes' incompetence has signed a player he doesn't know what to do with It's all very well blaming Hughes for Berahino's problems, but the reality is, Berahino has had chances, and failed to take them. How long would you want Hughes to persist with a striker who isn't finding form? If Hughes had kept playing him, and we were in the drop zone, you'd be blaming Hughes for not dropping him. I would like to see Berahino given a chance in a 4 4 2, with someone to play off, but he will have to wait for his moment again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 17:27:43 GMT
This is a list of his appearances in terms of time (minutes) on the pitch, against games the club have played whilst he has been available. B stands for on the bench and unused. First part of the list is last season, second part is this season.
23 32 B 30 11 79 61 70 71 90 58 77 90 B 29 B
72 65 B 15 B B 70 B 10 12 4 B B B B B B 28 B B
A total of 21/36 appearances in the league:
No of 90 minutes completed - 2 No of appearances >45 minutes - 11 No of appearances <45 minutes - 10 No of appearances <20 minutes - 5
Total Number of minutes on the pitch for all 21 appearances - 997 Average Number of minutes on the pitch per appearance - 47 minutes
For as much as his appearances might not have impressed certain sections of our support, that appearance data doesn't reflect well on the management team or the club. This is a player we have paid 13M pounds for and the manager has basically chucked him on the scrap heap before he has had the merest chance of settling in - especially when you look at the back story before joining us.
What an absolute disaster.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 29, 2017 17:28:14 GMT
Excuses lined up for him already if he plays. Plenty of our players have scored against the big teams, if Berahino can't score he doesn't deserve a start. It's always someone else's fault Plenty is pushing it. We are diabolical against the big sides and giving Berahino a game against Chelsea is hardly likely to come across as his big chance to impress. He doesn’t have a divine right to be playing football matches but he does deserve to be involved in games if he is in matchday squads. His complete annexing from the team is just strange. If you don’t trust him on the pitch don’t put him on the bench. Hughes is trying to in some way justify buying him putting him the squad as a token gesture, at the same time by not playing him save face when Berahino looks a bit shit again. Berahino appears to be next to last on the list of strikers Hughes trusts just ahead of N Goy, we have to try and offload him in January as the situation as is stands is no use to the club or player.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 29, 2017 17:32:45 GMT
This is a list of his appearances in terms of time (minutes) on the pitch, against games the club have played whilst he has been available. B stands for on the bench and unused. First part of the list is last season, second part is this season. 23 32 B 30 11 79 61 70 71 90 58 77 90 B 29 B 72 65 B 15 B B 70 B 10 12 4 B B B B B B 28 B B A total of 21/36 appearances in the league: No of 90 minutes completed - 2 No of appearances >45 minutes - 11 No of appearances <45 minutes - 10 No of appearances <20 minutes - 5 Total Number of minutes on the pitch for all 21 appearances - 997 Average Number of minutes on the pitch per appearance - 47 minutes For as much as his appearances might not have impressed certain sections of our support, that appearance data doesn't reflect well on the management team or the club. This is a player we have paid 13M pounds for and the manager has basically chucked him on the scrap heap before he has had the merest chance of settling in - especially when you look at the back story before joining us. What an absolute disaster. Makes damming reading for Mark and his team either way, he chased him for 18 months bought him and now doesn't play him !, this is not what we needed especially when we could have got him for free in the summer, what an absolute fcuk up he has made of it.
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 29, 2017 17:41:09 GMT
Of course he does but first the pulis saga and now Hughes, wouldn't blame him at all if he slapped a transfer request in tbh. He's 23 he wants & needs to be playing games. Hughes' incompetence has signed a player he doesn't know what to do with He doesn’t have a divine right to be playing games. He clearly hasn’t impressed enough. I agree we shouldn’t have signed a player who doesn’t fit the system, which both our last two managers have done ad nauseum, but he has looked a shadow of the player he was in every system. Just seems incredibly daft to me to give up on a potential 15 to 20 goal a season striker because a manager that has lost the plot and bought players to fit systems that he may aswell have picked out of a lucky dip. I'd rather see Berahino go on loan to a another club and us pay all his wages on the basis he plays and we have a recall clause than see him rot away, he needs to play games & hughes needs fucking off asap so hes got a clean slate with someone that has a clue what they are doing
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 29, 2017 17:43:53 GMT
He doesn’t have a divine right to be playing games. He clearly hasn’t impressed enough. I agree we shouldn’t have signed a player who doesn’t fit the system, which both our last two managers have done ad nauseum, but he has looked a shadow of the player he was in every system. Just seems incredibly daft to me to give up on a potential 15 to 20 goal a season striker because a manager that has lost the plot and bought players to fit systems that he may aswell have picked out of a lucky dip. I'd rather see Berahino go on loan to a another club and us pay all his wages on the basis he plays and we have a recall clause than see him rot away, he needs to play games & hughes needs fucking off asap so hes got a clean slate with someone that has a clue what they are doing I agree with almost all of that, apart from Berahino being a 15-20 goal a season man. He was that once, but that player looks for all the world like he's gone. He does need a loan, absolutely.
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Dec 30, 2017 16:55:08 GMT
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 30, 2017 16:55:08 GMT
Did well today? Made the runs & looked lively?
Not seen it yet but radio stoke were positive?
Must start V Newcastle?
1 chance & 1 shot and a top class keeper had to make a good save. Ironic that a player with vision spotted his run? Is it fuck
Must start v Newcastle, give him a run of games
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 16:57:36 GMT
Did well today? Made the runs & looked lively? Not seen it yet but radio stoke were positive? Must start V Newcastle? I thought he was one of few positives alongside Adam weirdly. Has to start on Monday but Hughes will pick Crouch because he's put so much pressure on himself with today's result. It's all too predictable and all too shite.
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Post by salopstokie on Dec 30, 2017 16:57:44 GMT
Played ok. Obviously no service so wasn’t going to get much. Did better than crouch would of done
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