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Post by redwhite on Dec 26, 2017 17:04:23 GMT
I love Pete as much as any other football fan but how on Earth is Hughes starting him? The bloke has proven himself to be very useful coming off the bench for the last 15 to change it up if we're in need of a goal but starting him makes us an even worse team than we already are.
He has one real asset - aerial dominance. He wasn't even doing that today. He wasn't winning enough in the air and when he did how many times did we keep possession? 20%? 30%?
Playing him from the start encourages the team to aim long hoofs up field instead of trying to have a bit of composed possession. Shawcross is by far the worst culprit of this. When he went off we had Shaq at Number 10 and Ramadan and Choupo either side of him. The missing ingredient was a striker in front of them that could get in behind. Diouf is exactly that player. What did Hughes do? Kept Crouch on for the entire match, took our most talented player off and played 4-4-2.
Huddersfield were wank today, and absolutely there for the taking. I hate to think what the score would have been if they were half decent.
Hughes needs to go immediately.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 17:07:01 GMT
Someone said he hasn't scored since he started the last few. Is that true?
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Post by robstokie on Dec 26, 2017 17:07:40 GMT
I love Pete as much as any other football fan but how on Earth is Hughes starting him? The bloke has proven himself to be very useful coming off the bench for the last 15 to change it up if we're in need of a goal but starting him makes us an even worse team than we already are. He has one real asset - aerial dominance. He wasn't even doing that today. He wasn't winning enough in the air and when he did how many times did we keep possession? 20%? 30%? Playing him from the start encourages the team to aim long hoofs up field instead of trying to have a bit of composed possession. Shawcross is by far the worst culprit of this. When he went off we had Shaq at Number 10 and Ramadan and Choupo either side of him. The missing ingredient was a striker in front of them that could get in behind. Diouf is exactly that player. What did Hughes do? Kept Crouch on for the entire match, took our most talented player off and played 4-4-2. Huddersfield were wank today, and absolutely there for the taking. I hate to think what the score would have been if they were half decent. Hughes needs to go immediately. He is useful if we are looking to nick a goal in the last 20 minutes, but not to start, particularly away from home - it allows teams to push up on us, win the second ball and come straight back at us. Hopefully, Diouf will get a run up top in the coming games, but im not too hopeful of that... |
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Post by TexasPotter on Dec 26, 2017 17:08:20 GMT
He hasn’t the legs to go 90. Hughes is an idiot leaving him on vs Huddersfield we could of pushed their press back with Saido in for Crouch.
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Post by marwood on Dec 26, 2017 17:09:37 GMT
Assist last game
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Post by alster on Dec 26, 2017 17:16:23 GMT
Crouch and Fletcher just don't offer the energy needed to compete with fit strong young teams from the start along with Shaq not being the hardest of workers we're starting at a massive disadvantage. Keep Shaq for his creativity etc get the other two out of the starting lineup for good.
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Post by Billy the kid on Dec 26, 2017 17:19:09 GMT
I'm not a fan of him starting but he won everything, shame others were not on the same page. Personally I thought we could have won today if someone was doing all the running around him a la berahino. Never mind good point.
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Post by stokesaint1 on Dec 26, 2017 17:22:42 GMT
Nice guy, great career but now should be nowhere near the starting eleven of a premier league team. It is testimony to the fact that Hughes has been awful in the transfer market and has not got a clue how to put right his errors of the past 12 months. Could anyone actually consider any other team in this league that would start him?
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Post by mickmacc on Dec 26, 2017 18:09:34 GMT
Some people really don’t understand football. He provides a focal point, holds the ball up, occupies defenders, brings people into play, wins everything in the air and on and on.
We were doing so well without him weren’t we?
Now unbeaten in two with him starting.
Thank fuck Hughes knows better than some on here.
Berahino the alternative?? You can only laugh
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Post by redwhite on Dec 26, 2017 18:14:29 GMT
Some people really don’t understand football. He provides a focal point, holds the ball up, occupies defenders, brings people into play, wins everything in the air and on and on. We were doing so well without him weren’t we? Now unbeaten in two with him starting. Thank fuck Hughes knows better than some on here. Berahino the alternative?? You can only laugh Except he wasn't winning close to everything in the air and when he did we rarely kept possession because of it. Diouf the alternative - our best striker. |
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Post by wuzza on Dec 26, 2017 18:15:08 GMT
Other than corners we don’t really give him much to work with goal-wise.
That said he does an incredible job for a guy of his age in pressurising opposition defences.
It’s all down to a lack of structure and a cohesive plan as in so much of what we do.
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Post by mickmacc on Dec 26, 2017 18:21:19 GMT
Some people really don’t understand football. He provides a focal point, holds the ball up, occupies defenders, brings people into play, wins everything in the air and on and on. We were doing so well without him weren’t we? Now unbeaten in two with him starting. Thank fuck Hughes knows better than some on here. Berahino the alternative?? You can only laugh Except he wasn't winning close to everything in the air and when he did we rarely kept possession because of it. Diouf the alternative - our best striker. Er we tried that and it didn’t work. He was dropped |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 26, 2017 18:36:50 GMT
It's a pathetic state of affairs to be in after 10 years at this level.
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Post by redwhite on Dec 26, 2017 18:41:43 GMT
Except he wasn't winning close to everything in the air and when he did we rarely kept possession because of it. Diouf the alternative - our best striker. Er we tried that and it didn’t work. He was dropped No we've played him up front with Crouch, where at least against Swansea it did work and we've played him up top in a horrible back 3 against Spurs. I'm personally not going to blame Diouf for us losing 5-1 there. We haven't played Diouf up front in a 4-2-3-1 this season. That is the formation and position where he is best, and he proved it when he was played there in his first season. We had the perfect chance to do it today, the game was crying out for it, and we kept Crouch on and reverted to 4-4-2. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 18:44:46 GMT
I could understand it if we moved the ball up to him and then got bodies around him to feed off his hold up play or even if we had midfield runners who got past him regularly, but our only plan is to hit it up to him isolated, or pass the ball around so slowly and every player need at least two touches with very little movement ahead of him so that eventually most of our attacks end up back at Butlands feet, it renders him pointless.
We don't even get the ball wide or ever get to the by line and whip crosses in to make him effective.
In short we are absolutely wank to watch for the majority of the time and like Void has said it's an embarrassment after so long in this division.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 26, 2017 18:49:29 GMT
I had 90 minutes of Couch this afternoon.
Is that similar?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 26, 2017 18:50:20 GMT
I had 90 minutes of Couch this afternoon. Is that similar? Still more movement than Fletcher. |
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Post by mickmacc on Dec 26, 2017 18:52:10 GMT
I could understand it if we moved the ball up to him and then got bodies around him to feed off his hold up play or even if we had midfield runners who got past him regularly, but our only plan is to hit it up to him isolated, or pass the ball around so slowly and every player need at least two touches with very little movement ahead of him so that eventually most of our attacks end up back at Butlands feet, it renders him pointless. We don't even get the ball wide or ever get to the by line and whip crosses in to make him effective. In short we are absolutely wank to watch for the majority of the time and like Void has said it's an embarrassment after so long in this division. None of which you can blame Crouch for |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 26, 2017 18:59:38 GMT
I had 90 minutes of Couch this afternoon. Is that similar? Still more movement than Fletcher. Statues have more movement than Fletcher. |
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 26, 2017 19:46:44 GMT
Crouch is more effective for us defending set pieces than he is as an offensive player.
He still has a major role to play for us by coming off the bench but he really shouldn't be anywhere near the starting 11.
Diouf for Crouch and Afellay for Fletcher would surely see a significant improvement.
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Post by redwhite on Jan 1, 2018 16:56:25 GMT
Same tactic, same result. Our attack is destroyed when Hughes plays him.
Hughes watches it fail and does nothing. Keeps him on the entire game, takes our most talented player off before the hour.
Utterly incredible it really is. Hughes has to go.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jan 1, 2018 16:58:09 GMT
Crouch is a very effective second half plan B against tired defenders. A moment's lack of concentration and he's always a threat in the air.
As a starter though against fresh legs he's just not got it any more and at 37 that's no surprise and no fault of his own. He's too easy and predictable to defend against. And by the time the defenders have tired legs, at 37 his are more tired than theirs.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 1, 2018 16:59:00 GMT
Was he playing?
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Post by hinckpotter on Jan 1, 2018 17:01:26 GMT
Fucking incompetence. If hughes ever gets another job in football he is a lucky lucky cunt
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Post by malteser68 on Jan 1, 2018 17:02:08 GMT
I love Peter but he's an enormous liability now and he should be honest enough to admit it
He should tell the clueless fucker in charge ' hey moron, thanks for picking me but wrong call. I'm not what this team needs; not for a whole 90 minutes in any case. Will be more than happy to join the fray as an impact sub should my srrvices be required'
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Post by Dr Hesham on Jan 1, 2018 17:02:19 GMT
15 minutes against tired legs with some long balls is more than enough.
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Post by redwhite on Jan 1, 2018 17:11:12 GMT
And when Diouf finally got pushed to play more centrally we had our best two chances of the game. Until then we were limited to two easy Hollywood saves from a Adam freekick from about 35 yards out and a Choupo Moting effort.
That is what shows you Hughes has completely lost it. Watching hoof ball fail time and time again and refusing to take the bloke off that is causing it to happen.
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Post by stokecitydom on Jan 1, 2018 17:43:26 GMT
He’s absolutely terrible at the moment.
Good option to bring off the bench, but to start him is just crazy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2018 17:44:24 GMT
Crouch was absolute dog shit. Shouldn’t be picked for anything other than a 20 minutes cameo ever again....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2018 18:17:38 GMT
There's just absolutely no rationale in Hughes decisions.
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