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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 20, 2017 9:08:43 GMT
I really don't get how clubs that size get to quarter finals and rest players for the league.
Easily the best chance for either to win a trophy .
The game has really lost the plot as fat as I can see
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 9:24:25 GMT
I really don't get how clubs that size get to quarter finals and rest players for the league. Easily the best chance for either to win a trophy . The game has really lost the plot as fat as I can see Just shows how inconsequential cup football has become they're no more than a side show often an inconvenient one. Its a bit like work and a hobby you have to prioritise the work because without the work there is no money for the hobby. Do you enjoy work more than the hobby no but you still have to get your priorities right. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 20, 2017 9:26:41 GMT
It just goes to show what people think of the League Cup though and why it probably should be shelved.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 20, 2017 9:30:00 GMT
i dont think any of us felt like that at anfield a couple of years ago
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 20, 2017 9:32:27 GMT
i dont think any of us felt like that at anfield a couple of years ago We didn't but I don't give a fuck in the early rounds and think we play too strong a team in general. |
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Post by wrighter on Dec 20, 2017 9:38:36 GMT
Bugs me when the " so called " big 6 play fringe squad players and young kids in the early rounds, then get to the final and the " 1st X1 take over !!!
God knows how the young players must feel, ie getting the team to Wembley then dropped !!
If that was me i"d tell to f*ck themselves !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 9:39:51 GMT
Put a champions league place on the league cup and FA cup, that would certainly sort the priorities of clubs out and stop everyone putting weakened sides out.
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Post by rawli on Dec 20, 2017 9:41:30 GMT
over 100 million for staying up - the league cup can screw your season if you get to final. Win it and you take your eye of the ball. Lose it and morale is down. Look what losing a semi did to us  |
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Post by mrred on Dec 20, 2017 9:42:12 GMT
Where as we play our best team and get dicked by Wolves.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 20, 2017 9:59:16 GMT
Where as we play our best team and get dicked by Wolves. I think it was mostly Wolves reserves , I must be just too old but prefer the exitement of good cup runs to the grind of the league . I get the point about relegation but we are in the shit without a cup run |
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 20, 2017 10:01:23 GMT
It just goes to show what people think of the League Cup though and why it probably should be shelved. No it shouldn't be shelved the Premiership in its present form should be shelved |
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 10:05:50 GMT
It just goes to show what people think of the League Cup though and why it probably should be shelved. No it shouldn't be shelved the Premiership in its present form should be shelved Sounds a bit like getting sacked for not going to work so you can go trainspotting, absolutely fucking stupid. |
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 10:09:17 GMT
Put a champions league place on the league cup and FA cup, that would certainly sort the priorities of clubs out and stop everyone putting weakened sides out. Champions league qualification from the Prem very much in the same way as playoffs in the lower leagues keep teams playing to the end of the season who would otherwise have nothing to play for and produce shit football and rogue results. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 10:17:10 GMT
Champions league should go back to the team's at the top of their league! Load of bollocks IMHO!
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 10:20:19 GMT
Champions league should go back to the team's at the top of their league! Load of bollocks IMHO! Makes it a shit lucky dip of a tournament IMHO. |
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 20, 2017 10:46:34 GMT
No it shouldn't be shelved the Premiership in its present form should be shelved Sounds a bit like getting sacked for not going to work so you can go trainspotting, absolutely fucking stupid. Strange analogy, Choo-Choo!!! |
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 10:55:21 GMT
Sounds a bit like getting sacked for not going to work so you can go trainspotting, absolutely fucking stupid. Strange analogy, Choo-Choo!!! Not really people are going on like they don't understand where the money comes from and as if you could just move it from one competition to another its incredibly naive. |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 20, 2017 11:23:30 GMT
Clubs should register their teams for Cups like they do the league, and then have to stick to those players. Allow three spaces for changes due to injury/suspension.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 11:27:44 GMT
Put a champions league place on the league cup and FA cup, that would certainly sort the priorities of clubs out and stop everyone putting weakened sides out. Champions league qualification from the Prem very much in the same way as playoffs in the lower leagues keep teams playing to the end of the season who would otherwise have nothing to play for and produce shit football and rogue results. Sounds like us at the end of every season in recent years. The champions league should be for the champions IMO, if we have 4 spots then 2 for the league and one for each cup would keep things interesting. Some of the big boys would miss out of course, but that would spread the money more evenly and make the cups far more interesting. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 20, 2017 11:29:51 GMT
Clubs should register their teams for Cups like they do the league, and then have to stick to those players. Allow three spaces for changes due to injury/suspension. We whinge that players aren't getting the chance to play games and develop. They play games and whinge. They can't really win, can they? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 11:31:40 GMT
Put a champions league place on the league cup and FA cup, that would certainly sort the priorities of clubs out and stop everyone putting weakened sides out. Champions league qualification from the Prem very much in the same way as playoffs in the lower leagues keep teams playing to the end of the season who would otherwise have nothing to play for and produce shit football and rogue results. If it was structured like the playoffs, top 3 qualify automatically then one of the next 4 I’d agree - that would really makes things interesting, but the top 4 is usually the same 5 or 6 clubs every season - it’s not like half of the league are playing for it. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 20, 2017 11:34:53 GMT
If I'm perfectly honest, I'd rather scrap the League Cup and have European Playoffs of some sort,
So top 4 have their Champions League nonsense, the the FA Cup winner still qualifies for the Europa League which leaves two Europa places available. 1 Could go to the team in 5th place, which would then allow 6th to play 9th, 7th to play 8th and then the winner grabs the last spot.
They do something similar in the Eredivisie, and I think it would prevent what we have witnessed over the past few years, many teams can't be arsed once they go out of the FA Cup, and it provides smaller clubs with a better chance of qualifying for European competition. I also think more English teams playing European football would improve the quality of the league, as they would need to adapt, as we have seen from the top 4 this year.
Think how much more significant our 9th place finishes would have been too, at the moment I just feel you get a pat on the head for it.
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 11:38:05 GMT
Champions league qualification from the Prem very much in the same way as playoffs in the lower leagues keep teams playing to the end of the season who would otherwise have nothing to play for and produce shit football and rogue results. Sounds like us at the end of every season in recent years. The champions league should be for the champions IMO, if we have 4 spots then 2 for the league and one for each cup would keep things interesting. Some of the big boys would miss out of course, but that would spread the money more evenly and make the cups far more interesting. If you reserve the Champions League for Champions you start the competition with about 5 teams who might win it, that in no way enhances the credibility of the tournament. The cups are a lottery why would you want poor English teams in the Champions League, do you want Spanish clubs to continue to win it? Its quite a widespread opinion just one that seems more borne out of jealousy than anything else. |
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 11:41:05 GMT
Champions league qualification from the Prem very much in the same way as playoffs in the lower leagues keep teams playing to the end of the season who would otherwise have nothing to play for and produce shit football and rogue results. If it was structured like the playoffs, top 3 qualify automatically then one of the next 4 I’d agree - that would really makes things interesting, but the top 4 is usually the same 5 or 6 clubs every season - it’s not like half of the league are playing for it. So you want a manufactured way of a poorer team qualifying and breaking the monopoly of the big 6 not a sporting one where you have to strive to be better than them. |
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 20, 2017 11:52:15 GMT
Champions league qualification from the Prem very much in the same way as playoffs in the lower leagues keep teams playing to the end of the season who would otherwise have nothing to play for and produce shit football and rogue results. Sounds like us at the end of every season in recent years. The champions league should be for the champions IMO, if we have 4 spots then 2 for the league and one for each cup would keep things interesting. Some of the big boys would miss out of course, but that would spread the money more evenly and make the cups far more interesting. It could also make the league worse than it is already... a team in 5th who are out of both cups and 15 points off 2nd in Feb have nothing at all to play for. Swings and roundabouts. Plus, when it comes down to it, look at the winners of both in the last 10 years: League Cup: Man Utd x 3, Man City x 2, Chelsea x 1, Liverpool x 1, Spurs x 1, Birmingham x 1, Swansea x 1 FA Cup: Arsenal x 3, Chelsea x 3, Man Utd x 1, Man City x 1, Portsmouth x 1, Wigan x 1 It's still dominated by the 'big' clubs. They wouldn't miss out. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 12:12:47 GMT
If it was structured like the playoffs, top 3 qualify automatically then one of the next 4 I’d agree - that would really makes things interesting, but the top 4 is usually the same 5 or 6 clubs every season - it’s not like half of the league are playing for it. So you want a manufactured way of a poorer team qualifying and breaking the monopoly of the big 6 not a sporting one where you have to strive to be better than them. Yeah, I’d take a manufactured way of breaking the monopoly. It’s all based on money anyway, Chelsea and Man City were not really top teams until they had hundreds of millions spent on them consistently for a few seasons. I know Leicester somehow managed it but that was a once in a century kind of season and they haven’t been close to that again and maybe never will. For us to break into the top 4 and do it time and time again we would probably need to spend the best part of 1 billion and pay outrageous wages, and you can increase that figure with every season that goes by. I’d take a manufactured way above that every time, I’d hate to see someone rich to buy Stoke and spend that kind of money to buy success. As for the champions league itself, viewing figures are down massively since it went off ITV and Sky and it’s not got the same fan interest it had 5-10 years ago. The main interest in it is the money clubs and a desire from players to be playing at what is considered as the top club level. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 20, 2017 12:14:53 GMT
So you want a manufactured way of a poorer team qualifying and breaking the monopoly of the big 6 not a sporting one where you have to strive to be better than them. Yeah, I’d take a manufactured way of breaking the monopoly. It’s all based on money anyway, Chelsea and Man City were not really top teams until they had hundreds of millions spent on them consistently for a few seasons. I know Leicester somehow managed it but that was a once in a century kind of season and they haven’t been close to that again and maybe never will. For us to break into the top 4 and do it time and time again we would probably need to spend the best part of 1 billion and pay outrageous wages, and you can increase that figure with every season that goes by. I’d take a manufactured way above that every time, I’d hate to see someone rich to buy Stoke and spend that kind of money to buy success.As for the champions league itself, viewing figures are down massively since it went off ITV and Sky and it’s not got the same fan interest it had 5-10 years ago. The main interest in it is the money clubs and a desire from players to be playing at what is considered as the top club level. I wouldn't.... |
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 12:41:52 GMT
Yeah, I’d take a manufactured way of breaking the monopoly. It’s all based on money anyway, Chelsea and Man City were not really top teams until they had hundreds of millions spent on them consistently for a few seasons. I know Leicester somehow managed it but that was a once in a century kind of season and they haven’t been close to that again and maybe never will. For us to break into the top 4 and do it time and time again we would probably need to spend the best part of 1 billion and pay outrageous wages, and you can increase that figure with every season that goes by. I’d take a manufactured way above that every time, I’d hate to see someone rich to buy Stoke and spend that kind of money to buy success.As for the champions league itself, viewing figures are down massively since it went off ITV and Sky and it’s not got the same fan interest it had 5-10 years ago. The main interest in it is the money clubs and a desire from players to be playing at what is considered as the top club level. I wouldn't.... Neither would I and I suspect a lot of those who say they would would soon change their mind if it happened. Its very much the easy answer to back the status quo. Who wouldn't want to follow a successful club playing good football and scoring lots of goals. Their reply well go support Man City then as if you choose which club you support. I'm not from America I'm from Longton there has never really been any question of which club would I support. |
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