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Post by thevoid on Jul 24, 2018 11:20:26 GMT
I agree, I can't believe we are the only form of life that exists. We might not like it when we do find it though. Could be Vale fans. So not intelligent life then.
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Nov 13, 2018 10:39:54 GMT
Post by yeokel on Nov 13, 2018 10:39:54 GMT
UFOs spotted off the coast of Ireland by BA & Virgin pilots last week (Nov 2018)... " The pilot, flying from the Canadian city of Montreal to Heathrow, said there was a "very bright light" and the object had come up along the left side of the aircraft before it "rapidly veered to the north"" BBC - UFO Reports near Ireland
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Post by lordb on Nov 13, 2018 12:20:51 GMT
Does appear to be consistency re UFO reporting in that UFO's appear to move at incredible speeds
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Nov 13, 2018 12:36:24 GMT
Post by thequietman on Nov 13, 2018 12:36:24 GMT
Interesting
And the end of an era. Goodbye to Moggy
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Post by musik on Nov 13, 2018 16:42:30 GMT
According to the recent multiuniverse theory, there are many many universes.
And according to some of the researchers it is quite likely there are several earths, one in each of those universes.
My brother is much interested in this, reads a lot and said some theorists say we as individuals might exist on every earth simultaneously but at different ages in our life. Or our souls in different bodies, ie we change not only body but planet as well.
For us to be able to communicate with "other" lifeforms, I guess it must be the ones living on a earth just like ours in any of these other universes.
Trump not long ago said there are no environmental issues to speak of, we can then go to Mars. You're welcome Mr President! -163°, constant radiation Big time. Be my guest, lead the way ...
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Post by murphthesurf on Nov 14, 2018 13:31:58 GMT
I'm posting two clips, and in the first the pilot's account re. the craft he observed speaks volumes - (towards the end of the interview when asked his opinion, he says 'I believe it was something not from this world') - and it's interesting what he says about the human body not being able to stand the speeds at which the craft was travelling.
Towards the end of the 1990s, over about 6 months, there were suddenly a load of UFO-type documentaries on the TV, and I recorded all the programmes and watched them all several times.
One was a filmed interview with a Chilean Airforce pilot who had trained in the USA with the American Air Force and had in fact been a USA Top Gun. I was hoping the interview might be on YouTube, but if it is I can't find it. He referred to the item he witnessed as effortlessly executing sharp course-changing maneouvres whilst travelling at what he estimated to be Mach 5, which, he said, was - to us - impossible, hence he had no doubt that the craft was other than of this world. This is a similar sort of thing to what the pilot in the enclosed clip says about the craft he witnessed and the human body simply not being capable of standing such speeds and maneouvres.
Another was a live UK studio programme with Stanton T. Friedman - in later years I was lucky enough to meet him and talk to him a couple of times, and his views on the UFOs/Aliens subject are uncompromising - ie. we are not alone and the world's various governments should stop lying to us re. what they know of alien life, which he is convinced definitely does exist. As per the enclosed second film clip, he's currently in the process of retiring and will be hugely missed on the international lecture circuit.
Re. the international lecture circuit, for many years there was a week-long International UFO Conference held in Laughlin, Nevada, at the Aquarius Resort and Casino, every February, and I treated myself to a visit to it in 2007.
As far as UFO Conferences in the UK go, there had used to be a weekend UFO Conference held in Leeds every September and this was in conjunction with, and wholly run by, UFO Magazine. It occupied the Friday evening and all day Saturday and Sunday and was held at Leeds University because hundreds attended, so it had to be a big place with access all weekend. I went every year for 5 or 6 years, and they were marvellous, with speakers coming in from all over the world. Then the head of the magazine, Graham Birdsall, died suddenly in the early 2000s and in due course the magazine went out of business and the Conferences stopped - all enormously sad events.
One of the speakers at Leeds in about perhaps 2001 was an American, Dr Steven Greer, who by profession is an emergency doctor, and his lecture was truly mind-boggling. I'd thought of going to the Nevada Conference for years, but in late-2006, the split-second I saw that Dr Greer was confirmed as one of the speakers for the February 2007 Conference I picked up the phone and booked a place on it there and then. Dr Greer, who is an amazingly talented speaker, is incredibly passionate about UFOs and alien existence, and was the originator and driving force behind the very ambitious, and massively important, Disclosure Project.
Dr Greer's opinion is that the other entities in the universe are so massively advanced re. technology that, in a trice, they could, amongst other things - (words to the effect of) - "light and power the entire earth for pennies" - and also that - "but up to and including now, they refuse to touch us earth folk because we're so permanently hell-bent on wars and slaughtering each other - however, if we could establish peace, those very advanced others in the universe would welcome us with open arms."
This features the American pilot:
Stanton Friedman says goodbye to Ufology 18th March 2018
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Nov 14, 2018 17:37:15 GMT
Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 14, 2018 17:37:15 GMT
Interesting And the end of an era. Goodbye to Moggy I'm a doubter I'm afraid. Bath makes a great point earlier about the proliferation of mobile phones. You'd think there'd be some decent proof footage/sound by now. There's a doubt about 5% of sightings {gets quoted}, the rest easily explained as mundane phenomena. I've not seen any compelling proof in the clips etc so far, and I suppose we won't get to know the capabilities of Military Drones etc. It's interesting that the report comes out of Harvard. I accept that Jan Irvin has his own angle on things, but I am enjoying his exposing/debunking of the 'dumbing down/degradation of society/civilisation', according to him the UFO phenomenon is just another in a long line of Psy Ops {extending back to the Salem Witch trials}, an extension of MK Ultra basically. Eugenics and such. It's fantastic stuff, a narrative featuring 'Spies in Academic Clothing' and agents of disorder and decline. John Dee, Alistair Crowley, H.G Wells, the Huxleys, Orson Welles, Ken Kesey, Timothy Leary, Terence McKenna, {the whole LSD Psychedic/Hippy scene} John Lennon, Jim Morrison, Zappa {the whole Laurel Canyon mob were the offspring of Army Intel Officers}, FM Radio, New Paganism, the New Age all get the treatment in his Unspun series.. As well as institutions such as The Royal Society, Tavistock Institute, The Esalin Group, {WWF}, and other Groups with {indirect} Rothschild funded projects. And Harvard as a tool for disseminating 'credible' propaganda. Sacred cows to the slaughter. Dr. Stephen Greer is widely acknowledged to be a false flagger. I do get the idea we're being drip fed UFO stuff as a softening process. An outside threat justifies a World defence/response. Easy to see how it fits into a subjugation agenda. Weaponized Anthropology. Neuro Linguistic programming. Suggestibility. New Puritans. It's fascinating stuff. A different take on the topic. I don't agree with all of Irwin's conclusions but it's enthralling and encourages healthy enquiring cynicism, I think. His research indicates that LSD was synthesized in Switzerland pre First World War, when they were creating Mustard Gas etc. The Hoffman/Leary tale is a concocted story. Apparantly there was a book of 'fiction' published in the early 50's titled 'St. Anthony's Snow' {} which outlines the whole project a decade before it comes to pass, and documentation that proves an artificial Ergot {Lysergic Acid} was trialled in Maternity Wards pre WWI. Released as a Psy Op in the 60's by the CIA.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 14, 2018 19:13:20 GMT
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Post by maninasuitcase on Nov 14, 2018 20:29:15 GMT
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Nov 14, 2018 22:57:21 GMT
Post by murphthesurf on Nov 14, 2018 22:57:21 GMT
I'm a doubter I'm afraid. Bath makes a great point earlier about the proliferation of mobile phones. You'd think there'd be some decent proof footage/sound by now.Dr. Stephen Greer is widely acknowledged to be a false flagger. I do get the idea we're being drip fed UFO stuff as a softening process. …………………….but you must have heard countless reports of 'I tried to film the craft but my camera suddenly wouldn't work' etc. And we'll have to agree to disagree about Steven Greer - I've only attended two of his lectures, but he is a highly intelligent and quite amazing person and I will always remain a devotee.
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Nov 14, 2018 23:06:50 GMT
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Post by musik on Nov 14, 2018 23:06:50 GMT
But what about all the Aliens already walking among us atm? Can't we just talk to them first? Perhaps figure out who they are and where they come from.
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Nov 14, 2018 23:37:09 GMT
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Post by thequietman on Nov 14, 2018 23:37:09 GMT
But what about all the Aliens already walking among us atm? Can't we just talk to them first? Perhaps figure out who they are and where they come from. You're our man on the ground there, Musik. I'm writing a thesis on how they're attracted to laundry rooms. Joking aside, what would Isaac Newton, Robert Boyle, James Clerk Maxwell (all geniuses) think of MRI scanners, pictures from The Hubble Telescope, holograms? Impossible alien technology. Just because we observe something now that we can't explain doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Either visitors from the future or aliens. Science we can't even imagine now will be commonplace to us in 100 years. Even 20 years. The vast majority of sightings are natural phenomena or current military stuff - who knows what science is in the classified military domain? But I'm convinced that a tiny, but significant, proportion is something else.
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Nov 15, 2018 7:22:33 GMT
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Post by musik on Nov 15, 2018 7:22:33 GMT
But what about all the Aliens already walking among us atm? Can't we just talk to them first? Perhaps figure out who they are and where they come from. You're our man on the ground there, Musik. I'm writing a thesis on how they're attracted to laundry rooms. Joking aside, what would Isaac Newton, Robert Boyle, James Clerk Maxwell (all geniuses) think of MRI scanners, pictures from The Hubble Telescope, holograms? Impossible alien technology. Just because we observe something now that we can't explain doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Either visitors from the future or aliens. Science we can't even imagine now will be commonplace to us in 100 years. Even 20 years. The vast majority of sightings are natural phenomena or current military stuff - who knows what science is in the classified military domain? But I'm convinced that a tiny, but significant, proportion is something else. There are four possibilities. 1) There are no other creatures out there anywhere whatsoever, except us. The believers of this often even question everything when astronauts and researchers claim they've found or observed organic material, water or bacteria on mars or the moon. 2) There are other creatures somewhere or in many places, and they are far more advanced than us. Their technology is at another, higher level and they don't look like us at all. There bodies have developed, they can even conquer radiation. 3) There might be other creatures somewhere, but they have not the advanced technology and medicine we on Earth have, as we are the crown of creation. And therefore they couldn't have the same advanced body functions and characteristics as we have, since they are so primitive. 4) We don't exist alone. There are many universes. In each one of these universes the prerequisites are about/just the same. So every universe look the same. Meaning, each universe has an Earth with humans just like us. Every human population in each and everyone of these universes might be on the exact level when it comes to technology, medicine and so on, but (if you think we as humans here the way we are, with just the intelligence and characteristics we have, someday could travel further away in space/to other universes) it could also differ considerably. And if so, some might be here right now - looking just like us. Is it you? 😉
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Nov 15, 2018 12:21:44 GMT
Post by thequietman on Nov 15, 2018 12:21:44 GMT
You're our man on the ground there, Musik. I'm writing a thesis on how they're attracted to laundry rooms. Joking aside, what would Isaac Newton, Robert Boyle, James Clerk Maxwell (all geniuses) think of MRI scanners, pictures from The Hubble Telescope, holograms? Impossible alien technology. Just because we observe something now that we can't explain doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Either visitors from the future or aliens. Science we can't even imagine now will be commonplace to us in 100 years. Even 20 years. The vast majority of sightings are natural phenomena or current military stuff - who knows what science is in the classified military domain? But I'm convinced that a tiny, but significant, proportion is something else. There are four possibilities. 1) There are no other creatures out there anywhere whatsoever, except us. The believers of this often even question everything when astronauts and researchers claim they've found or observed organic material, water or bacteria on mars or the moon. 2) There are other creatures somewhere or in many places, and they are far more advanced than us. Their technology is at another, higher level and they don't look like us at all. There bodies have developed, they can even conquer radiation. 3) There might be other creatures somewhere, but they have not the advanced technology and medicine we on Earth have, as we are the crown of creation. And therefore they couldn't have the same advanced body functions and characteristics as we have, since they are so primitive. 4) We don't exist alone. There are many universes. In each one of these universes the prerequisites are about/just the same. So every universe look the same. Meaning, each universe has an Earth with humans just like us. Every human population in each and everyone of these universes might be on the exact level when it comes to technology, medicine and so on, but (if you think we as humans here the way we are, with just the intelligence and characteristics we have, someday could travel further away in space/to other universes) it could also differ considerably. And if so, some might be here right now - looking just like us. Is it you? 😉
1) no, the chances of that are so slim it can be dismissed
2) definitely imo. It's a mathematical near-certainty 3) definitely other less advanced creatures, e.g. bacteria. Us the crown of creation? I very much doubt it.
4) I like the multiverse theory (Robert Heinlein's novel, The Number Of The Beast, is a cracking read. Some of Iain Banks' sci fi stuff kind of touches on it too, amongst many others.) Contact or travel between the "planes"? It's quite hairy maths but I believe it's possible. As before, just because we haven't provably done so doesn't mean it can't happen or that others have done it. Is it me here from another universe? Mrs Q says I'm often on another planet. I know that she is.
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Nov 15, 2018 12:40:50 GMT
Post by yeokel on Nov 15, 2018 12:40:50 GMT
You're our man on the ground there, Musik. I'm writing a thesis on how they're attracted to laundry rooms. Joking aside, what would Isaac Newton, Robert Boyle, James Clerk Maxwell (all geniuses) think of MRI scanners, pictures from The Hubble Telescope, holograms? Impossible alien technology. Just because we observe something now that we can't explain doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Either visitors from the future or aliens. Science we can't even imagine now will be commonplace to us in 100 years. Even 20 years. The vast majority of sightings are natural phenomena or current military stuff - who knows what science is in the classified military domain? But I'm convinced that a tiny, but significant, proportion is something else. There are four possibilities. 1) There are no other creatures out there anywhere whatsoever, except us. The believers of this often even question everything when astronauts and researchers claim they've found or observed organic material, water or bacteria on mars or the moon. 2) There are other creatures somewhere or in many places, and they are far more advanced than us. Their technology is at another, higher level and they don't look like us at all. There bodies have developed, they can even conquer radiation. 3) There might be other creatures somewhere, but they have not the advanced technology and medicine we on Earth have, as we are the crown of creation. And therefore they couldn't have the same advanced body functions and characteristics as we have, since they are so primitive. 4) We don't exist alone. There are many universes. In each one of these universes the prerequisites are about/just the same. So every universe look the same. Meaning, each universe has an Earth with humans just like us. Every human population in each and everyone of these universes might be on the exact level when it comes to technology, medicine and so on, but (if you think we as humans here the way we are, with just the intelligence and characteristics we have, someday could travel further away in space/to other universes) it could also differ considerably. And if so, some might be here right now - looking just like us. Is it you? 😉 4a) We don't exist alone. There are many universes. In each one of these universes the prerequisites are about/just the same. So every universe look the same. Meaning, each universe has an Earth with humans just like us. Every human population in each and everyone of these universes might be on the exact level when it comes to technology, medicine and so on, but (if you think we as humans here the way we are, with just the intelligence and characteristics we have, someday could travel further away in space/to other universes) it could also differ considerably.Are we nothing more than a simulation? One of millions or billions of simulations. Are We A Simulation - Link
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Nov 16, 2018 23:07:35 GMT
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Post by musik on Nov 16, 2018 23:07:35 GMT
I've thought about this simulation thing on and off since I first read it here this week.
Hmm.
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Nov 17, 2018 8:56:39 GMT
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Post by iamcliveclarke on Nov 17, 2018 8:56:39 GMT
Are we nothing more than a simulation? One of millions or billions of simulations. Are We A Simulation - Link[/quote] That goes pretty deep
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Nov 17, 2018 9:49:45 GMT
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Nov 17, 2018 9:49:45 GMT
But what about all the Aliens already walking among us atm? Can't we just talk to them first? Perhaps figure out who they are and where they come from. There are plenty walking round Burslem, you won't get a decent conversation out of any of them.
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Post by clarkeda on Nov 17, 2018 20:40:17 GMT
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Post by iamcliveclarke on Jan 19, 2019 10:04:18 GMT
Seems to have been swept under the carpet with no answers, for a change
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Post by zigazaga on Jan 19, 2019 12:00:20 GMT
Sounds genuine to me.
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Post by trentvale68 on Jan 19, 2019 12:05:53 GMT
This is brilliant stuff.
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Post by murphthesurf on Jan 19, 2019 12:09:29 GMT
Seems to have been swept under the carpet with no answers, for a change Well, one thing's for sure - if E.T. or the Martians DO decide to land on earth anytime in the next two years it'll be anybody's guess what their opinion will be of 'the most powerful man on earth'!
Probably: "Whaaaaaat? THIS specimen is the most powerful out of all of them down here???????? How did they manage to invent the wheel?"
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Jan 19, 2019 12:17:59 GMT
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Post by trentvale68 on Jan 19, 2019 12:17:59 GMT
There's a school of thought that at least some of the phenomenon may be more Interdimensional than extraterrestrial. That these beings are more for want of a better word, spiritual in nature, certainly when encountered in things like astral projection and altered States of consciousness.
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Post by zigazaga on Jan 19, 2019 12:28:09 GMT
I find these cases fascinating.
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Post by murphthesurf on Jan 19, 2019 12:30:23 GMT
Thx so much for posting that, Trenty. I've met & had conversations with Dr. Greer twice, when I attended two of his lectures - firstly in the UK (and it was at that event that he first announced that he was planning to launch a major project called 'Disclosure' the following year) and then in Nevada. I went to the latter purely because he was speaking there. He's a superb speaker, and I'm a very devoted fan. I'd say to anyone having the chance to go to one of his lectures, 'JUST GO!'
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Jan 19, 2019 12:41:02 GMT
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Post by trentvale68 on Jan 19, 2019 12:41:02 GMT
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Post by thevoid on Jan 19, 2019 12:43:06 GMT
I agree, I can't believe we are the only form of life that exists. We might not like it when we do find it though. Have you never seen Geordie Shore?
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Jan 19, 2019 13:04:33 GMT
Post by murphthesurf on Jan 19, 2019 13:04:33 GMT
(Ooooops, sorry --- Re-posting..... 'ang about......... )
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Post by murphthesurf on Jan 19, 2019 13:09:15 GMT
Totally agree.
I've definitely heard her story before, and I'm absolutely positive she was on a Midlands TV late-night Guests + Audience-participation style of chat show in about the mid-1990s. There were either two or three presenters, and although I'm trawling back through my memory I'm pretty sure two of them were Sue Jay and Nicky Campbell. The lady in the clip appeared on the show on an evening when one of the topics - of which there were three each week, if I remember correctly - was UFOs, and what sticks so clearly in my mind is her entire description, especially of the 'occupants' - as it is a 100% exactly typical description of the 'Nordics', even as far as their (always remarked upon) 'kindly disposition' during contact. 'Nordics' are so called because of their appearance, as opposed to the 'Greys', who have the typical large heads and huge black eyes, etc.
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