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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 19, 2017 8:52:51 GMT
3 to 5 years? Of just joylessly scrapping, hardly ever scoring, existing for the sake of existing? Dour, defensive, negative football all so you can have another season of dour, defensive, negative football? I'd genuinely rather we went down. I'd rather enjoy watching us and take a step backwards in the hope of long-term growth than watch football porridge for another half a decade. Not for me I enjoyed watching physical football with opposition bodies flying up in the air and proper tackles flying in. High tempo counter attacking football with a physical edge is ten fold better than this tippy tappy rubbish played by pansies for me. People forget pulis' best football was just as good as hughes best football. A lot of the time it was back to the wall stuff because we were a team playing above our weight on a mission to establish the club & pulis didn't buckle leaving the solid base that somehow Mark has managed to just rot away. Not relegation for me, I'm all for it. Season ticket sold for next season if true Pete, give him some cash for 2 natural wingers & make us respected again instead of a laughing stock 👍 The best Pulis stuff was every bit as good, I agree. But that had died out long before he left. And the backs to the wall stuff in his last 18 months wasn't to do with punching above our weight. By that time he had us punching below it. He'd built a fine side playing decent stuff culminating in the cup final, then he dismantled it, took it backwards, stripped it of pace and goals and we became an increasingly poor, turgid side. There was precious little high tempo counter attacking football by that stage because he'd got rid of the players who made that work and failed to adequately replace them. He won 22% of his games after New Year's Day 2012. His last three transfer windows yielded something like 14 players, three of whom played with anything like any regularity. That's why he was sacked, and rightly so. He took the team forwards, then he took it backwards. Just like the current bloke.
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Post by chigstoke on Dec 19, 2017 8:53:14 GMT
A certain inevitability....Best way via Youtube to describe it is this way. Substitute Vince McMahon for Sir Peter,NwO for Pulis,WWF is Stoke City & Ric Flair (Whooooo) is Hughesie...and you get the drift Haha, I know what is on that clip basically without watching it, I've watched way too many older WWF episodes
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 19, 2017 8:53:18 GMT
Surely the only reason that anybody is even suggesting this as a solution is the precise nature of the mess that Hughes has created? If we were defensively ok but struggling for goals, that would be one thing, but our biggest problems are our non-existent team shapes and our defensive wretchedness. You can say a lot about Pulis, but he can organise teams and put together a decent defence.
When you see how West Ham have transformed from a disorganised rabble into a drilled, structured unit, you can't help but feel a tinge of envy.
Note that none of this is supposed to be a post in support of the Pulis return. I would only accept the appointment on a very short term basis, which won't happen.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 19, 2017 8:55:01 GMT
Fair comment. It's hugely unfair to give Pulis credit for Hughes' success though. Yes mate, tbf to Hughes you have to say he did the best possible job with the resources, for a good while. The whole time though Shawcross and Glen were fading and Nzonzi was never going to hang around. And we never had a settled playmaker or striker. Saw this coming two years ago so it's frustrating. Pulis is probably best left in the past but we need to accept where we are and get back to basics. I just want to see the players getting their bollocks dirty again at the end of the day. Shawcross and Whelan weren't fading the whole time. Both, IMO, played their best football for the club in Hughes' first season. His failure to replace Whelan was one of the firs nails in his coffin, I agree 100% about that.
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 19, 2017 8:55:43 GMT
Not for me I enjoyed watching physical football with opposition bodies flying up in the air and proper tackles flying in. High tempo counter attacking football with a physical edge is ten fold better than this tippy tappy rubbish played by pansies for me. People forget pulis' best football was just as good as hughes best football. A lot of the time it was back to the wall stuff because we were a team playing above our weight on a mission to establish the club & pulis didn't buckle leaving the solid base that somehow Mark has managed to just rot away. Not relegation for me, I'm all for it. Season ticket sold for next season if true Pete, give him some cash for 2 natural wingers & make us respected again instead of a laughing stock 👍 The best Pulis stuff was every bit as good, I agree. But that had died out long before he left. And the backs to the wall stuff in his last 18 months wasn't to do with punching above our weight. By that time he had us punching below it. He'd built a fine side playing decent stuff culminating in the cup final, then he dismantled it, took it backwards, stripped it of pace and goals and we became an increasingly poor, turgid side. There was precious little high tempo counter attacking football by that stage because he'd got rid of the players who made that work and failed to adequately replace them. He won 22% of his games after New Year's Day 2012. His last three transfer windows yielded something like 14 players, three of whom played with anything like any regularity. That's why he was sacked, and rightly so. He took the team forwards, then he took it backwards. Just like the current bloke. So what do you think Coates should do if Hughes loses to West Brom?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 19, 2017 8:59:45 GMT
The best Pulis stuff was every bit as good, I agree. But that had died out long before he left. And the backs to the wall stuff in his last 18 months wasn't to do with punching above our weight. By that time he had us punching below it. He'd built a fine side playing decent stuff culminating in the cup final, then he dismantled it, took it backwards, stripped it of pace and goals and we became an increasingly poor, turgid side. There was precious little high tempo counter attacking football by that stage because he'd got rid of the players who made that work and failed to adequately replace them. He won 22% of his games after New Year's Day 2012. His last three transfer windows yielded something like 14 players, three of whom played with anything like any regularity. That's why he was sacked, and rightly so. He took the team forwards, then he took it backwards. Just like the current bloke. So what do you think Coates should do if Hughes loses to West Brom? If we keep losing, he's going to have to go isn't he Geoff? I wanted us to limp on until the end of the season and have a proper replacement plan, but that seems less and less feasible, because we are, now, blazing a trail towards XYZ couldn't be any worse territory. I thought Smudge's Kamara analogy in The Sentinel and the fanzine was spot on, but more performances like the collapse against West Ham or lily-livered hammerings like we got at Spurs and we'll just have to roll the dice, because the choice will be between certain relegation and possible relegation, with Hughes representing the former.
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Post by chuckrocky on Dec 19, 2017 9:00:46 GMT
74% of fans voting on here want Hughes sacked immediately and none of them as a clue who Peter Coates would be able to appoint or how quickly. Koeman, Rodgers and the like aren't coming to Stoke, the 74% who want Hughes gone immediately haven't thought this through. It’s not the job of the 74% to choose our next manger. That’s why we have a chief executive on a near seven figure salary. Just because Ian and Dave from Fenton can’t name a replacement doesn’t mean there aren’t good managers out there. Southampton have never had any bother hiring good managers from abroad, same goes for Watford.
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 19, 2017 9:01:56 GMT
So what do you think Coates should do if Hughes loses to West Brom? If we keep losing, he's going to have to go isn't he Geoff? I wanted us to limp on until the end of the season and have a proper replacement plan, but that seems less and less feasible, because we are, now, blazing a trail towards XYZ couldn't be any worse territory. I thought Smudge's Kamara analogy in The Sentinel and the fanzine was spot on, but more performances like the collapse against West Ham or lily-livered hammerings like we got at Spurs and we'll just have to roll the dice, because the choice will be between certain relegation and possible relegation, with Hughes representing the former. So you're sitting on the fence FOR NOW!
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Post by stokienorthants on Dec 19, 2017 9:03:24 GMT
Genuinely i’ll jump into the incinerator. I’m not joking. How fat are you? The last thing we fucking need is another Trentham Lakes power surge.
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Post by thegift on Dec 19, 2017 9:04:24 GMT
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 19, 2017 9:05:35 GMT
74% of fans voting on here want Hughes sacked immediately and none of them as a clue who Peter Coates would be able to appoint or how quickly. Koeman, Rodgers and the like aren't coming to Stoke, the 74% who want Hughes gone immediately haven't thought this through. It’s not the job of the 74% to choose our next manger. That’s why we have a chief executive on a near seven figure salary. Just because Ian and Dave from Fenton can’t name a replacement doesn’t mean there aren’t good managers out there. Southampton I’ve never had any bother hiring good managers from abroad, same goes for Watford. So whoever the board appoint you will be happy as long as Hughes is gone, is that correct?
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Post by silverdollar on Dec 19, 2017 9:06:45 GMT
This move would see attendances fall my at least ten thousand. It certainly would not see me going whilst he was in charge!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 19, 2017 9:08:27 GMT
If we keep losing, he's going to have to go isn't he Geoff? I wanted us to limp on until the end of the season and have a proper replacement plan, but that seems less and less feasible, because we are, now, blazing a trail towards XYZ couldn't be any worse territory. I thought Smudge's Kamara analogy in The Sentinel and the fanzine was spot on, but more performances like the collapse against West Ham or lily-livered hammerings like we got at Spurs and we'll just have to roll the dice, because the choice will be between certain relegation and possible relegation, with Hughes representing the former. So you're sitting on the fence FOR NOW! If he was sacked tomorrow he couldn't have any complaints Geoff. Normally the thought of Nigel Pearson coming here would make me do a sick in my mouth but we're fast approaching desperation point.
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Post by steewee on Dec 19, 2017 9:09:17 GMT
This move would see attendances fall my at least ten thousand. It certainly would not see me going whilst he was in charge! Yup 10k of the prawn sandwich brigade would dissapear, and the real fans would come back I certainly would look to come back after 2 yrs of general apathy and not bothering :-)
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Post by chuckrocky on Dec 19, 2017 9:12:30 GMT
It’s not the job of the 74% to choose our next manger. That’s why we have a chief executive on a near seven figure salary. Just because Ian and Dave from Fenton can’t name a replacement doesn’t mean there aren’t good managers out there. Southampton I’ve never had any bother hiring good managers from abroad, same goes for Watford. So whoever the board appoint you will be happy as long as Hughes is gone, is that correct? No not at all, i’ll be fuming if we hire Pulis. I’m just saying that just because the fans are struggling to come up with names doesn’t mean we should stick with a man who will inevitably take us down.
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Post by thegift on Dec 19, 2017 9:13:02 GMT
This move would see attendances fall my at least ten thousand. It certainly would not see me going whilst he was in charge! Yup 10k of the prawn sandwich brigade would dissapear, and the real fans would come back I certainly would look to come back after 2 yrs of general apathy and not bothering :-) Exactly. ONE TONY PULIS
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 19, 2017 9:13:45 GMT
Coates specializes in a complete lack of ambition? As our last decade clearly indicates. You refer to Pulis as ‘most unpleasant and spiteful’ . Try reading your post back to yourself and seeing if your hypocrisy alarm goes off. For what it’s worth, I want Hughes gone and I don’t want Pulis back. But I don’t see either as a cunt, wanker, fuckwit etc. I’m going off recent times, rather than being stuck in the early Prem days, and I like to vent, angrily. So you like to be unpleasant and spiteful but you criticize others for being that way?
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Post by premrandallsbday on Dec 19, 2017 9:14:35 GMT
We should accept that we have not developed over the past 2 seasons under Mark Hughes and there has been a gradual decline - whilst those around us have all generally improved. We have slipped from being a tenacious, hard working and well organised team with occasional glimpses of flair to a flabby and confused group of individuals who are now devoid of confidence. Like it or not Pulis developed a siege mentality in the early years - which translated to the supporters, who were that extra man on occasions, which is now gone too.
Those who speak of relegation as a good thing should be careful what they wish for - we might do a Burnley, but equally look towards Bolton, Wigan and where they now reside. Burnley bounced back under the determined and focused leadership of Sean Dyche - but a quick return, if we were to drop to the Championship, would require grit and organisation, neither of which we have currently and on this seasons showing isn't a quality possessed by many of our current squad.
Is a third spell under Tony Pulis the answer - probably not (like bumping into an ex-girlfriend after a break-up) but above all we must retain our Premier league status this season. Viewing the season as a whole we are virtually at half time and we have the second half to turn it around (although on current form we've not been great at coming back from behind).
The first step is everyone at Board, managerial and coaching level to get their heads out of the sand - accept that it's not all about bad luck, poor refereeing decisions, injuries and so on. We have all the basic tools and need to take a long hard look at ourselves - stats need to be analysed and those who aren't putting in a shift need to be pulled up. Videos need to be reviewed and games ruthlessly dissected - the coaching staff need to address exactly where our weaknesses lie and put right. Opposition need to be scouted more than ever before and we need to set-up to counter their threats, with players in absolutely no doubt of their roles and responsibilities - too often we are found wanting.
Supporters too pay their part - a little less backbiting and personal vendettas wouldn't do any harm. A bit more fight and commitment from the players would very quickly turn things around and give us something to get behind again - this translates onto the field and would help to restore some confidence
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Post by andystokey on Dec 19, 2017 9:15:45 GMT
This move would see attendances fall my at least ten thousand. It certainly would not see me going whilst he was in charge! Yup 10k of the prawn sandwich brigade would dissapear, and the real fans would come back I certainly would look to come back after 2 yrs of general apathy and not bothering :-) The REAL fans would come back, so they aren't here now? Total BS
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 19, 2017 9:15:55 GMT
I'd love to see good youngsters in the team doing well. Sadly ours are crap...all of them. Have we really seen enough of them to male a judgement? Their results in youth football aren't exactly outstanding are they? Those that have gone out on loan to lower league clubs aren't exactly ripping up trees? Telford? Sweeney? Shenton could barely cut the mustard at Wrexham in the Conference. People have been crying out for Edwards and Tymon to play because our first choice full backs are so bad yet they've hardly covered themselves in glory have they, although they've played at a time where the team is going through a difficult time.
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Post by sportsman on Dec 19, 2017 9:19:32 GMT
Shaq will be rubbing his hands at the thought. Non story from the sun.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 19, 2017 9:19:48 GMT
Have we really seen enough of them to male a judgement? Their results in youth football aren't exactly outstanding are they? Those that have gone out on loan to lower league clubs aren't exactly ripping up trees? Telford? Sweeney? Shenton could barely cut the mustard at Wrexham in the Conference. People have been crying out for Edwards and Tymon to play because our first choice full backs are so bad yet they've hardly covered themselves in glory have they, although they've played at a time where the team is going through a difficult time. Apart from getting to the semi of the most prestigious youth cup.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 19, 2017 9:20:00 GMT
I'd be mortified if he came back. But there's a little bit of me that can't rule it out. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/could-dynasty-says-stoke-city-410813This interview with Coates from a couple of months ago does nothing to calm the nerves. (10 mins in) "I'm a big fan - that's very genuine and I've never felt any different about him....He and Sam Allardyce are the two men you go to in a crisis"SLP claimed a few weeks ago that we tried for Allardyce so you just hope that he's still not seen as the consolation prize.
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Post by thegift on Dec 19, 2017 9:20:37 GMT
Shaq will be rubbing his hands at the thought. Non story from the sun. What about Berahino lmao
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Post by steewee on Dec 19, 2017 9:21:20 GMT
Yup 10k of the prawn sandwich brigade would dissapear, and the real fans would come back I certainly would look to come back after 2 yrs of general apathy and not bothering :-) The REAL fans would come back, so they aren't here now? Total BS Wait there. The guy above said 10k would drop from the gates because Hughes was going and Pulis was coming back numbnuts. So surely they aren't real fans either - I'm making an assumption that he's saying 10k are only there because of Hughes
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 19, 2017 9:22:18 GMT
Just when you thought this season couldnt get any worse...............
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Post by boydcrowder on Dec 19, 2017 9:22:46 GMT
I think I'd rather just disband the football club
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Post by Scrotnig on Dec 19, 2017 9:23:30 GMT
It would also make sense as to why Hughes is left in charge for the WBA game....it wouldn't be a good idea to bring Pulis back AND have that as his first game.
Oh dear.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 19, 2017 9:25:02 GMT
Genuinely i’ll jump into the incinerator. I’m not joking. Pleas don't Bojan, the air is polluted enough...
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Post by salopstick on Dec 19, 2017 9:27:41 GMT
FFS
Beat brom and Huddersfield and hopefully this pile of shit starts to go away.
Up to you lads
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