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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 18, 2017 14:06:33 GMT
As a counter to the argument that video referral would "disrupt the flow of the game" (whatever the hell that is), the time spent remonstrating with the referee over the award of the penalty is more than enough time to look at a bloody monitor, make a decision and give a card to the offender. Personally I think the sin bin concept would work perfectly here.
I don't think it changed what the result would have been, but in another game it might well do (such as a 93rd minute penalty etc).
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Post by kronkie on Dec 18, 2017 14:12:33 GMT
OK, west ham may lose him for a couple of games and I don't think that it will really hurt them, but deduct points from the parent club for their players actions then it will stop, not until then.
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Post by emmbrook1956 on Dec 18, 2017 14:13:42 GMT
Yes I saw this yesterday and said immediately
1. The penalty when scored changed the whole game.
2. It does not help Hughes.
3. It makes the possibility of relegation stronger.
4. It could cost the club £ millions
It does not help Stoke one bit. Will it stop him diving again? Very frustrated
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Post by thegift on Dec 18, 2017 14:14:31 GMT
OK, west ham may lose him for a couple of games and I don't think that it will really hurt them, but deduct points from the parent club for their players actions then it will stop, not until then. If we had lost 1-0 i would agree, however losing 3-0 you cant blame that solely on the dive.
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Post by Veritas on Dec 18, 2017 14:16:32 GMT
I used to be in the it will disrupt the flow camp but feel that technology has advanced enough to rule that out. I would not be in favour of rugby style reviews but the fourth official could easily review incidents without the game stopping and advise the ref accordingly.
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Post by Veritas on Dec 18, 2017 14:20:35 GMT
OK, west ham may lose him for a couple of games and I don't think that it will really hurt them, but deduct points from the parent club for their players actions then it will stop, not until then. If we had lost 1-0 i would agree, however losing 3-0 you cant blame that solely on the dive. Although it did not mean we were definitely going to lose the penalty fundamentally changed the game and allowed them to play a counter attacking game which suited them and significantly contributed to the result.
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Post by thegift on Dec 18, 2017 14:26:05 GMT
If we had lost 1-0 i would agree, however losing 3-0 you cant blame that solely on the dive. Although it did not mean we were definitely going to lose the penalty fundamentally changed the game and allowed them to play a counter attacking game which suited them and significantly contributed to the result. Agreed, we didn't get one shot on target all game.
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Post by Davef on Dec 18, 2017 14:26:25 GMT
I don't really see how it damaged us really. We'd most likely have lost the game if you're honest Oh, we're just shrugging off being blatantly cheated now because we're not very good? We had the same rubbish after the Mignolet incident. I don't know about the team, but our support is dying on its arse as well.
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Post by steewee on Dec 18, 2017 14:27:45 GMT
Does anyone have the vid of Antonio diving past Sobhi I think it was, just flat out swan diving and getting a free kick ?
Similar for him, ban ?
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Post by thegift on Dec 18, 2017 14:30:29 GMT
I don't really see how it damaged us really. We'd most likely have lost the game if you're honest Oh, we're just shrugging off being blatantly cheated now because we're not very good? We had the same rubbish after the Mignolet incident. I don't know about the team, but our support is dying on its arse as well. Well when players are giving up on 55 minutes what do you expect from the fans.
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Post by Davef on Dec 18, 2017 14:32:29 GMT
Oh, we're just shrugging off being blatantly cheated now because we're not very good? We had the same rubbish after the Mignolet incident. I don't know about the team, but our support is dying on its arse as well. Well when players are giving up on 55 minutes what do you expect from the fans. You talk a load of guff as well.
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Post by rawli on Dec 18, 2017 14:33:12 GMT
I don't really see how it damaged us really. We'd most likely have lost the game if you're honest Who knows. With our confidence levels it didn't exactly help did it?
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Post by rawli on Dec 18, 2017 14:37:28 GMT
Oh, we're just shrugging off being blatantly cheated now because we're not very good? We had the same rubbish after the Mignolet incident. I don't know about the team, but our support is dying on its arse as well. Well when players are giving up on 55 minutes what do you expect from the fans. Better. It's our fucking club - the players, the manager and even the chairman will one day fuck off. We are the constant. If we aren't bothered no one will be.
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Post by southstanddan on Dec 18, 2017 14:38:47 GMT
I don't really see how it damaged us really. We'd most likely have lost the game if you're honest Might as well give all the teams we play and 1-0 head start then
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 18, 2017 14:38:59 GMT
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Post by thegift on Dec 18, 2017 14:40:29 GMT
Well when players are giving up on 55 minutes what do you expect from the fans. You talk a load of guff as well. Direct quote from Kevin Wimmer “But after the second goal we gave up. When you do this against a team like Spurs with so much quality it’s always going to be very difficult. Now who's talking Guff Dave? CHECK IT HERE x
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Post by stokiekm on Dec 18, 2017 14:45:02 GMT
I don't really see how it damaged us really. We'd most likely have lost the game if you're honest Of course it damaged us, it gave the opposition the impetus. They scored a goal as a direct consequence of the players cheating and the referees incompetence. Exactly. We were then having to chase the game.
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Post by pretzel on Dec 18, 2017 14:51:30 GMT
"I would call it soft," said Hammers boss David Moyes. "Manu has ran 70 yards and probably ran his race at the end of it. I think the defender going to ground means the referee has a choice to make."
So his first name is Man U? ... That explains it all
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 18, 2017 15:01:41 GMT
So he didn't give a foul Shakiri's dive moments before.... But couldn't point to the spot quick enough up the other end!!! 🤔
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Post by Clem Fandango on Dec 18, 2017 15:04:19 GMT
The voice of reason! I can’t believe the complete lack in logic of this rule. I’m all for diving bans but it needs to really punish the team and player who committed it.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Dec 18, 2017 15:08:27 GMT
The voice of reason! I can’t believe the complete lack in logic of this rule. I’m all for diving bans but it needs to really punish the team and player who committed it. Its to discourage doing it in the 1st place, but in the heat of the moment if he think he can win a penalty by cheating he’ll do it 10/10 times.
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Post by cerebralstokie on Dec 18, 2017 15:10:33 GMT
If ever there was a case for the use of video technology to review dubious cases, this is it. A critical error in a decision between two clubs struggling to avoid relegation with the wrong decision potentially costing a club millions of pounds if relegated. Of course nobody could have predicted what the course of the game would have been if the penalty decision had been overturned on review and it could be argued that, perhaps Stoke didn't deserve to win based on how they played - but Stokes' game plan (if it ever existed) would have altered on going a goal down as we needed to chase the game leaving us vulnerable at the back. Video technology works in cricket, tennis and rugby but the F.A. had to be dragged kicking and screaming to accept even goal line technology.
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Post by britvic72 on Dec 18, 2017 16:28:37 GMT
And gave 3 free kicks before that for clear dives by the same player Antonio!!!!!
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 18, 2017 16:31:53 GMT
Hand out season long bans for this shit, with your earnings frozen in that period if you’re found guilty of simulation.
They’ll soon stop it when they realise they can’t wrap their Range Rovers in whale foreskin every month.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 16:37:04 GMT
A 2 match ban serves us no good whatsoever, just weakens them against possible rivals for relegation. What they should do is ban the cunt for the next 2 games against Stoke, whatever club he plays for.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 18, 2017 16:46:40 GMT
I don't really see how it damaged us really. We'd most likely have lost the game if you're honest On the contrary. We were competing up to that point and probably had the upper hand. That act of cheating resulted in us having to change our approach in chasing the game with the ensuing result. These imbeciles who perpetually cheat their way in the game need eradicating quickly. That result could be the difference between PL survival or relegation and many other teams suffer similarly throughout the season. The FA either introduce video technology pronto in which case Lanzini would have been shown a red card and the right team would have benefitted from his punishment. Or the retrospective panel must be able to award the points to the victims and deduct three points from the miscreants team regardless of the final result. Cheating like this would be eradicated overnight imo. This 100%. They should deduct the points gained by the offending team and give the offended against team the points they had at the time of the dive (unless of course they ended up with more). The cheat (it shouldn't be called diving), the cheat should be banned for 3 games one of which ought to be carried over to the next match against the offended against team. This makes me sick to my stomach. This entire fiasco including the FA's response and punishment makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It makes me want to fuck football straight off and go and watch another sport, with a lot more integrity and a lot less cheating and corruption, like rugby. The only problem is I can't give up on Stoke.
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 18, 2017 16:53:52 GMT
Pretty much everyone on the KUMB board expected him to be charged and banned.
Most of them expressed their disgust that one of their players should cheat.
None of this helps us.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 18, 2017 17:43:54 GMT
Pretty much everyone on the KUMB board expected him to be charged and banned. Most of them expressed their disgust that one of their players should cheat. None of this helps us. I fucking hate west ham fans. I really do.
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Post by nott1 on Dec 18, 2017 17:48:06 GMT
Could not happen to a nicer cheating bastard!
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 18, 2017 17:48:35 GMT
I said about six years ago that the only way to solve cheating is to dole out 18 month bans for cheats. If Lanzini lost a year and a half from his career, and West Ham were left having to pay a fortune to a man who can't even step on the pitch for the reserve team, things would soon change.
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