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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 18, 2017 12:09:49 GMT
It wasn't aimed at you. You raised a valid point. It was the others who couldn't wait to stick the knife into another of our players that I was taking issue with. Some players do need a fucking roasting. Starting with wimmer. Other's don't, like butland, shawcross, crouch and the like. I just don't think butland understands how stoke fans feel. He doesn't experience or understand. The travelling, time, and money spent watching them. Although i do think he cares, when we go down he will be off, still on his 50K a week wages. I suspect he might well be off long before we go down mate. A £30m bid from the Dippers in January would see him gone (and I wouldn't blame him in the slightest) leaving us with Lee Grant and Jakob as his trusty deputy. I hope all those slagging Jack off now will be happy then.
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Post by thegift on Dec 18, 2017 12:13:30 GMT
Some players do need a fucking roasting. Starting with wimmer. Other's don't, like butland, shawcross, crouch and the like. I just don't think butland understands how stoke fans feel. He doesn't experience or understand. The travelling, time, and money spent watching them. Although i do think he cares, when we go down he will be off, still on his 50K a week wages. I suspect he might well be off long before we go down mate. A £30m bid from the Dippers in January would see him gone (and I wouldn't blame him in the slightest) leaving us with Lee Grant and Jakob as his trusty deputy. I hope all those slagging Jack off now will be happy then. LG i'm sure he doesn't read this message board. But i don't think the comments have been that bad towards him either. Fuck me imagine seeing Hauuguard in goal. it would be bigger drummings than we're getting at the moment.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 18, 2017 12:27:03 GMT
I suspect he might well be off long before we go down mate. A £30m bid from the Dippers in January would see him gone (and I wouldn't blame him in the slightest) leaving us with Lee Grant and Jakob as his trusty deputy. I hope all those slagging Jack off now will be happy then. LG i'm sure he doesn't read this message board. But i don't think the comments have been that bad towards him either. Fuck me imagine seeing Hauuguard in goal. it would be bigger drummings than we're getting at the moment. That was what I was alluding to. The thought of Haugaard in goal frightens me shitless. It isn't comments on here I'm bothered about but he was obviously being given shit on Twatter which he clearly does read and so thinks those are the views of your average Stoke fan. He has absolutely no allegience to Stoke other than the fact that we pay his wages. If he doesn't feel appreciated and someone comes in with a big offer in January he'll be off like a rocket. He won't really care if we're relegated because even if he doesn't move in January he'd never play in the Championship for us would he? At the minute Hart isn't being played, Heaton's injured and Forster's just shit but Pickford will pull infornt of him in the pecking order because he's playing behind an Allardyce organised defence so won't be having 4 put past him on a weekly basis. Jack's only real concern will be getting the no.1 spot for the World Cup, not whether Stoke stay up or not, and at the moment we are jeopardising that dream making it more likely he'll go in January, making it more likely we'll go down.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Dec 18, 2017 14:14:19 GMT
And he is 100% correct and he was doing it at 2-0 when our support turned it's attention from good backing to chanting against the manager. There was 15 minutes + stoppage time to go in a league that is notorious for late goals (admittedly I didn't think we would get back into it and so it proved however...) at this point a good percentage of the crowd the up and ultimately so did the players. I'm firmly in the Hughes Out camp now however if anyone can justify how this sort of chanting was meant to inspire or look at providing some form of support to the players when there was so much time left in the game I'm all ears. There was some seriously dick measuring going on in block 21, "I've been coming since the 70s" was my favourite in trying to justify chanting Hughes Out and it's frankly embarrassing. I, along with many others who were at Blackburn a few years ago will know the affect it has on a team when the focus shifts from support to chanting against the manager they were awful that day and looked totally dispirited and so did we for that final 15. Some will say we looked that way for the game however we were still in it even at 2 and any I would say that about any team as we see these turnarounds so frequently. Yes he needs to go and go now and if people want to chant then go for it before or preferably afterwards or even midweek, but for the 90 minutes whilst the lads are on the pitch I can guarantee that not chanting will make them play better but I can guarantee that chanting it will make them play worse. The Hughes out chanting wasn't meant to inspire anybody, it was meant to show the owners of the club that things are not alright and to show our feelings which, as paying customers, we are entitled to do. Whether you, Butland, or anybody else think that it is wrong, uninspiring, or whatever is irrelevant, the fact is in the ground at a home game is the best way to make the board know the state of the club and how we as fans are not happy. I appreciate all different opinions on the matter but I still standby the fact that with best part of 20 minutes to go chanting against the manager is in no way going to help the team in trying to turn it around. Before, after or midweek then people can crack on but for 90 minutes we have got to stick together.
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Post by thegift on Dec 18, 2017 14:17:53 GMT
The Hughes out chanting wasn't meant to inspire anybody, it was meant to show the owners of the club that things are not alright and to show our feelings which, as paying customers, we are entitled to do. Whether you, Butland, or anybody else think that it is wrong, uninspiring, or whatever is irrelevant, the fact is in the ground at a home game is the best way to make the board know the state of the club and how we as fans are not happy. I appreciate all different opinions on the matter but I still standby the fact that with best part of 20 minutes to go chanting against the manager is in no way going to help the team in trying to turn it around. Before, after or midweek then people can crack on but for 90 minutes we have got to stick together. at 2-0, and 3-0, there was no chance of us coming back - we didn't even manage 1 shot on target all game. At the end of the game there was hardly any fucker left to chant anything. How do we make our voices known if we don't do it when we know the game is out of sight?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 18, 2017 14:44:23 GMT
I appreciate all different opinions on the matter but I still standby the fact that with best part of 20 minutes to go chanting against the manager is in no way going to help the team in trying to turn it around. Before, after or midweek then people can crack on but for 90 minutes we have got to stick together. at 2-0, and 3-0, there was no chance of us coming back - we didn't even manage 1 shot on target all game. At the end of the game there was hardly any fucker left to chant anything. How do we make our voices known if we don't do it when we know the game is out of sight? Before the game? At half time? If you really are that arsed about making a point, then stay until the end and do it after? Really isn't that hard to understand that doing it during the game, won't help those that you're not actually directing it at in the first place (i.e. the players) is it? 11 of our players on the pitch needing support, but you expect them to sit back and listen to booing and automatically understand "It's not you lads, it's that 1 person who isn't even on the pitch we're aiming it at...in the meantime i'm sure you won't mind us ignoring you players or just not getting behind you while you play cos we're busy moaning at someone who's standing over on the side instead" Jesus wept
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Post by thegift on Dec 18, 2017 15:10:37 GMT
at 2-0, and 3-0, there was no chance of us coming back - we didn't even manage 1 shot on target all game. At the end of the game there was hardly any fucker left to chant anything. How do we make our voices known if we don't do it when we know the game is out of sight? Before the game? At half time? If you really are that arsed about making a point, then stay until the end and do it after? Really isn't that hard to understand that doing it during the game, won't help those that you're not actually directing it at in the first place (i.e. the players) is it? 11 of our players on the pitch needing support, but you expect them to sit back and listen to booing and automatically understand "It's not you lads, it's that 1 person who isn't even on the pitch we're aiming it at...in the meantime i'm sure you won't mind us ignoring you players or just not getting behind you while you play cos we're busy moaning at someone who's standing over on the side instead" Jesus wept Jesus wept? You talk out your arse!!!!! Why would we get on their backs before the game's even started? Why then would we get on their backs being 1-0 down at half time due to a dodgy penalty. Good god. We supported or (i) for 80 mins until the third goal went in. Then it was game over. Then i including many others vented their frustration. Sounds like your as clueless as Hughes.
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Post by itsallgonepetetone on Dec 18, 2017 15:15:45 GMT
He’s gone anyway, January or the Summer - it doesn’t matter.
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Post by Scrotnig on Dec 18, 2017 15:24:36 GMT
I like Jack but: The team are playing shit The manager is shit The team doesn't appear to care The manager doesn't appear to care Coates doesn't appear to care
The fans pay a bloody fortune to watch the club and they aren't going to sit there in polite silence while the team gets trounced off the pitch by a bunch of useless no-hopers like wet sham.
If Jack can't understand that he should keep his mouth shut instead of criticising fans for showing the passion the team doesn't have.
The holocaust season was better than this. Back then the players tried their hardest and worked their socks off, they just didn't have the skill for the top flight. This lot mostly have the skill but can't be arsed. Deplorable. Jack may be an exception but that doesn't excuse him turning on the fans.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 18, 2017 15:40:58 GMT
Why is it the players think they are above criticism ?, no one as far as I am concerned was having a go at any particular player (though Wimmer was a stand out candidate), they were venting their anger at the whole circus as a whole Chairman, Mark and his team and the lack of effort the players displayed after the second goal went in.
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Post by itsallgonepetetone on Dec 18, 2017 15:44:59 GMT
Protesting is a doubled edged sword, if you do it during the game it can have a negative effect on players but it’s the only way to get maximum impact - especially with the media.
If we lose 5-0 and don’t make a whimper, Hughes and Coates will comment to the media that the fans are fine - it’s all optics. The fans are ducked either way once the club twists it.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 18, 2017 15:52:55 GMT
I could never bring myself to 'protest' at a game. I don't even think I've ever even boo'd us off the pitch. There's a time and a place and there's no way booing or calling for people's heads helps anything (and I think booing is a bit gay). Whatever happens, we need to remain loud and loyal in our support so that it can't be levelled at us that we didn't do what we could as supporters.
We might be shit, but if we give us as supporters then we're not use at all. I'll be there on Saturday and instead of booing or shouting Hughes out, I'll be supporting Stoke trying to shout us to victory. I know the atmosphere was positive up to a point on Saturday but let's not take that into the West Brom game.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 16:05:55 GMT
Jack can shake his head all he wants but the reaction on Saturday was wholly understandable after what has been happening. In fact I'd argue that Stoke fans have been more than fair to the team on the whole especially after some of the shit that has been churned out over the last 18 months. Players want celebrity, courting publicity /praise on twitter /social media. They want the big bucks and lifestyle but get very precious when criticised. Well if you don't like it stay off twitter. On the point as a whole how the hell are fans supposed to express there feelings? It's an emotional game and let's be honest things are pretty dire at the moment. The players have got off lightly to be honest. My message is man up, get your heads down and start giving the fans something to be proud of.
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Post by thegift on Dec 18, 2017 16:10:54 GMT
Jack can shake his head all he wants but the reaction on Saturday was wholly understandable after what has been happening. In fact I'd argue that Stoke fans have been more than fair to the team on the whole especially after some of the shit that has been churned out over the last 18 months. Players want celebrity, courting publicity /praise on twitter /social media. They want the big bucks and lifestyle but get very precious when criticised. Well if you don't like it stay off twitter. On the point as a whole how the hell are fans supposed to express there feelings? It's an emotional game and let's be honest things are pretty dire at the moment. The players have got off lightly to be honest. My message is man up, get your heads down and start giving the fans something to be proud of. All I'm asking for is some fight, and passion. I don't mind losing if we put up a fight.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Dec 18, 2017 16:43:31 GMT
Before the game? At half time? If you really are that arsed about making a point, then stay until the end and do it after? Really isn't that hard to understand that doing it during the game, won't help those that you're not actually directing it at in the first place (i.e. the players) is it? 11 of our players on the pitch needing support, but you expect them to sit back and listen to booing and automatically understand "It's not you lads, it's that 1 person who isn't even on the pitch we're aiming it at...in the meantime i'm sure you won't mind us ignoring you players or just not getting behind you while you play cos we're busy moaning at someone who's standing over on the side instead" Jesus wept Jesus wept? You talk out your arse!!!!! Why would we get on their backs before the game's even started? Why then would we get on their backs being 1-0 down at half time due to a dodgy penalty. Good god. We supported or (i) for 80 mins until the third goal went in. Then it was game over. Then i including many others vented their frustration. Sounds like your as clueless as Hughes. I can understand a protest before the game however in my original post I would say ideally make your point known at the end or during the week. This started at 2-0 for a good section of the crowd and it is not going to help us short term or long term, if anything look at Jack's reaction to it. Whether you think it's right or wrong you can visibly see the effect that it's had on the players. Nobody can make you do anything but for me it much rather we stayed with the team and then have you say once it's all said and done and if you want a reason look no further than the Palace and Watford game midweek. Things can change very quickly, even for us but I can promise you that chanting during the game will have nothing other than a negative influence.
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Post by thegift on Dec 18, 2017 16:49:18 GMT
Jesus wept? You talk out your arse!!!!! Why would we get on their backs before the game's even started? Why then would we get on their backs being 1-0 down at half time due to a dodgy penalty. Good god. We supported or (i) for 80 mins until the third goal went in. Then it was game over. Then i including many others vented their frustration. Sounds like your as clueless as Hughes. I can understand a protest before the game however in my original post I would say ideally make your point known at the end or during the week. This started at 2-0 for a good section of the crowd and it is not going to help us short term or long term, if anything look at Jack's reaction to it. Whether you think it's right or wrong you can visibly see the effect that it's had on the players. Nobody can make you do anything but for me it much rather we stayed with the team and then have you say once it's all said and done and if you want a reason look no further than the Palace and Watford game midweek. Things can change very quickly, even for us but I can promise you that chanting during the game will have nothing other than a negative influence. I didn't personally say a word at 2-0. Only at 3-0 did i make my feelings clear. It went from a poor defeat to an embarrassing one.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Dec 18, 2017 16:52:42 GMT
I can understand a protest before the game however in my original post I would say ideally make your point known at the end or during the week. This started at 2-0 for a good section of the crowd and it is not going to help us short term or long term, if anything look at Jack's reaction to it. Whether you think it's right or wrong you can visibly see the effect that it's had on the players. Nobody can make you do anything but for me it much rather we stayed with the team and then have you say once it's all said and done and if you want a reason look no further than the Palace and Watford game midweek. Things can change very quickly, even for us but I can promise you that chanting during the game will have nothing other than a negative influence. I didn't personally say a word at 2-0. Only at 3-0 did i make my feelings clear. It went from a poor defeat to an embarrassing one. I agree it was an embarassig defeat and I'm not targeting you personally but the chanting started at 2 and I may be a bit set in my ways but I cannot understand what benefit it would have at any point during the game.
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 18, 2017 17:13:35 GMT
Jack Butland is our best player.
I am pleased that he showed a bit of passion and loyalty to his manager and his team mates on Saturday.
Would anyone have prefered him so start chanting "You don't know what you're doing" or "Hughes out!".
We must stick together: that means fans, playrers and whoever is currently managing the club (however much we would like that to be someone else)
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 18, 2017 17:33:40 GMT
I could never bring myself to 'protest' at a game. I don't even think I've ever even boo'd us off the pitch. There's a time and a place and there's no way booing or calling for people's heads helps anything (and I think booing is a bit gay). Whatever happens, we need to remain loud and loyal in our support so that it can't be levelled at us that we didn't do what we could as supporters. We might be shit, but if we give us as supporters then we're not use at all. I'll be there on Saturday and instead of booing or shouting Hughes out, I'll be supporting Stoke trying to shout us to victory. I know the atmosphere was positive up to a point on Saturday but let's not take that into the West Brom game. I know the atmosphere was positive up to a point on Saturday but let's not take that into the West Brom game. So you don't want us to take a positive atmosphere into the West Brom game. ?
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Dec 18, 2017 19:15:09 GMT
Fans coming close to blows in block 27 and 28, turning on players, players falling out with fans, passions running high with neither the chairman, CEO, recruitment, manager, coaches or players escaping criticism,
We are imploding big time whoever or whatever is to blame. This is what relegation feels like.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 19:19:40 GMT
I hope he goes to a top team, he deserves better than this shower.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 18, 2017 20:22:03 GMT
Fans coming close to blows in block 27 and 28, turning on players, players falling out with fans, passions running high with neither the chairman, CEO, recruitment, manager, coaches or players escaping criticism, We are imploding big time whoever or whatever is to blame. This is what relegation feels like. And block 29
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