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Post by alster on Dec 16, 2017 21:18:52 GMT
6. I'm rating today's game not the past 18 months or 4 and a half years. Eveyone's an expert when they don't have to do the job. Stoke kept chasing the game, even when they scored on the counter. Far prefer to lose 3-0 knowing we tried our best to get back in it than try defend a 1-0 loss hoping something falls for us. Many folks on here pleading for him to go back to 4-4-2. He does and people immediately slating him for it. If he'd played 3-4-3 People would have slated him for it. C'mon Stoke, let's have those Baggies! That's because the squad was mainly put together with a view to playing a 4231 formation and that formation allows for optimum use of our only creative force, The squad is a fucking mess but that formation still appears the way to make the best of it. As I posted with my marks or lack of them starting Crouch = Stoke 0, he then compounds it by bringing on Adam instead of Affelay. If this squad is going to pull itself out of this mess its going to require more control of the ball and less hoofing not more.
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Post by marwood on Dec 16, 2017 21:20:15 GMT
There were a lot of people coming on main match thread here asking for Adam to come and show a bit of steel, and to be fair he did bring Adam on
And a load more at the weekend, saying, he chased Saido and doesn't even give him ten minutes when we are losing, so another point there
And he used all 3 subs for once
So, 0 in total
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Post by reddipotter on Dec 16, 2017 21:21:43 GMT
We huffed and puffed, which is more than we have seen often recently, but there was little teamwork and no tactical nous. My comment on the substitutions when they were made was that it looked like the last throw of a desperate manager. 2*
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 16, 2017 21:22:16 GMT
0 and thats too much, 4-4-2 hasn't worked in any of the games he's tried it in yet goes for it again and low and behold its crap, he's panicking, throwing as much against the wall as he can, he tries to come across as calm and collected but its clearly showing what he does on a match day that he's desperate, he needed to go months ago, he needs to do us all a favour and walk. 3-4-3 didn’t work either. The only thing that might work is 4-2-3-1 with Shaq in the middle of the 3. In fact that’s the only system that has ever worked under Hughes and the only system we have the players for. Yep, its the only one we should be playing, why he dropped it who knows, he should have returned to it quickly why he's so desperate to avoid it like the plague is anyones guess.
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Post by superheroantonius on Dec 16, 2017 21:22:24 GMT
0 and thats too much, 4-4-2 hasn't worked in any of the games he's tried it in yet goes for it again and low and behold its crap, he's panicking, throwing as much against the wall as he can, he tries to come across as calm and collected but its clearly showing what he does on a match day that he's desperate, he needed to go months ago, he needs to do us all a favour and walk. 3-4-3 didn’t work either. The only thing that might work is 4-2-3-1 with Shaq in the middle of the 3. In fact that’s the only system that has ever worked under Hughes and the only system we have the players for. Its not the system Its not the work rate Its the players By selling the likes of huth nzonzi and arnie and signing the likes of imbula berahino wimmer, sparky has ensured the players just arent good enough Pc has two options... A) unlock his cheque book and let an absolute wheeler dealer like harry redknapp sign about nine new players Or B) get in a turd polisher like tp Or o neil till the end of the season and keep his cheque book shut Would be nice to think we could get someone like koeman or rowett, but they will probably wait for A team with decent players
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 16, 2017 21:31:17 GMT
2* started with the same abysmal line up (apart from Wimmer making it worse) as Tuesday. Played with only 2 midfielders again and tried the ploy of hoofing it up to Crouch - again, toothless rudderless passionless and clueless. Wet Sham were there for the taking and Hughes gifted them 3 easy points, threw Tymon to the wolves just like he did with Edwards, dillied and dallied before taking off the abject Fletcher and took Diouf off who BTW looked like one of the few players that was actually trying and continued to hoof it up to Crouch, the defence look devoid of confidence, the midfield apart from Allen is long past his sell by date, the attack is one dimensional and tame and the manager doesn't have a clue how to stop us haemorrhaging goals or how to get us to score. Then to top it all he allowed a MOM performance from the man he tamely sold in the summer, fucking hell it isn't like he didn't know how he plays or how to get under his skin and negate his threat is it? Just please go Hughes you've turned us into a laughing stock. Gouranga. Unsure how you can say he threw Tymon to the wolves like he did with Edwards? It's not exactly starting your 1st or 2nd game ever away against Man City or Spurs? Even if we hadn't used two substitutes already who else should have come on for Pieters? Tymon was coming on before Pieters pulled up holding his thigh. Gouranga.
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Post by mcw on Dec 16, 2017 21:32:02 GMT
I don't know what answer is, it's like the cosmos is against us. In a game when you want to keep it tight and nick a goal you get another absolutely horrendous refereeing decision that turns the game. Yes we are generally slow and ponderous, but that awful decision turned the game. We had to be more expansive, take risks and that is dangerous with the lack of pace we have to recover in the team. Maybe we need a lucky manager rather than a good one and for the record I don't think Mark Hughes is a bad manager- he is just cursed at the moment in games which matter to out survival
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Post by Malex on Dec 16, 2017 21:37:26 GMT
Unsure how you can say he threw Tymon to the wolves like he did with Edwards? It's not exactly starting your 1st or 2nd game ever away against Man City or Spurs? Even if we hadn't used two substitutes already who else should have come on for Pieters? Tymon was coming on before Pieters pulled up holding his thigh. Gouranga. Fair enough, I thought he had only come on because of the injury. That being said, even if Pieters hadn't got injured or been subbed I doubt the result would have been much different
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 16, 2017 21:39:02 GMT
I don't think it would have been 0-3 though. Gouranga.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 22:00:58 GMT
You don't get anything for finishing second in football.
While there is some merit in the refs giving soft first goals to open up the games this does not excuse another defensive masterclass.
3/10
One because it was never a pen, another for having a go at Arni and a third for staying 'till the end when everyone wanted him to go early.
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Dec 16, 2017 23:16:51 GMT
He has lost the plot BUT
On another day the penalty not given and Lanzini booked
Standard of refs is shocking. The lack of consistency is staggering. Diouf gets chopped cynically yet no booking??
In other games today Deeney sent off yet Spurs escape 2 sendings off for bad potential leg breakers
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Post by maliciousdamage on Dec 16, 2017 23:34:07 GMT
*0 same team, same tactics boot it to crouch, even kept going down the same side to Ramadan during the game who consistently lost the ball , desperation throwing all three sub's on nothing is changing so its time to change the manager
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Post by thunderhead on Dec 16, 2017 23:34:19 GMT
The ref was toss but nothing can disguise the fact that we didn't even force a save
I'll give Hughes a 5* because quite frankly i think the players just aren't good enough as a whole
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 17, 2017 17:30:30 GMT
If we'd scored rather than hitting the post 20 secondes before the dive for the panalty we would probably have got at least a point and some may have give Hughes a higher score as a result.
However, Hughes did pick Wimmer when we had fit football players who were not involved, and for that he gets a big fat zero from me.
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Post by GoBoks on Dec 17, 2017 17:34:11 GMT
If we'd scored rather than hitting the post 20 secondes before the dive for the panalty we would probably have got at least a point and some may have give Hughes a higher score as a result. However, Hughes did pick Wimmer when we had fit football players who were not involved, and for that he gets a big fat zero from me. Yeah, I can't for the life of me see why he didn't start Berahino at center half
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 17, 2017 17:42:35 GMT
If we'd scored rather than hitting the post 20 secondes before the dive for the panalty we would probably have got at least a point and some may have give Hughes a higher score as a result. However, Hughes did pick Wimmer when we had fit football players who were not involved, and for that he gets a big fat zero from me. Yeah, I can't for the life of me see why he didn't start Berahino at center half Lee Grant would have been an improvement over Wimmer in his current form.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 17, 2017 17:46:14 GMT
3-4-3 didn’t work either. The only thing that might work is 4-2-3-1 with Shaq in the middle of the 3. In fact that’s the only system that has ever worked under Hughes and the only system we have the players for. Its not the system Its not the work rate Its the players By selling the likes of huth nzonzi and arnie and signing the likes of imbula berahino wimmer, sparky has ensured the players just arent good enough Pc has two options... A) unlock his cheque book and let an absolute wheeler dealer like harry redknapp sign about nine new players Or B) get in a turd polisher like tp Or o neil till the end of the season and keep his cheque book shut Would be nice to think we could get someone like koeman or rowett, but they will probably wait for A team with decent players No its the system, yes the squad is a mess, but playing a formation the players you do have don't fit into is ridiculous, the defence lacks any kind of organisation and having Shaq wasted out wide, well, he may as well be sitting on the bench.
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Post by Miles Offside on Dec 17, 2017 18:08:26 GMT
The only positives for me was that he started with two up front and the players had a go - until everything fell apart.
And everything fell apart because we lack so many things - athleticism, pace, organisation, team spirit and the right type of players for each position.
And that's down to the manager.
*2
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Post by scfccat on Dec 17, 2017 18:50:22 GMT
I just can't.
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Post by thegift on Dec 17, 2017 20:47:22 GMT
Being honest,
i thought the players he started with was right. Strange to leave Affaley out of the team though. Made subs at the right time, right formation.
I don't think he did a massive amount wrong yesterday, its just an accumulation of the last 2 years that has taken its toll.
Based on yesterday and yesterday only.
*6
And thats the highest I've ever rated him when we have lost.
Edit - i literally can't comment anymore about Wimmer. I actually despise the prick.
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