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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 16, 2017 10:23:53 GMT
Having watched Mark Hughes systematically dismantle a functional football team over the last two years with bad decision after bad decision, I reckon I'm more than qualified to judge a player better than he can or any of his useless fucking staff can either. The thing about pundits, whether they are ex players in the media or fans on the internet, is that almost none of them have ever managed a team at any level. In a few cases experts like Gary Neville, who is a respected Sky pundit, not only failed in his first and only management position but such was his experience that it has put him off wanting any management post in the future. Our own Mike Pejic who can point out every mistake he thinks Hughes is making has never managed a club at a senior level. I'm all for people giving their views about tactics and players as long as they don't take themselves to seriously, giving opinions as a fan on the internet and actually managing a football club are worlds apart. Spot on. Nothing wrong with constructive criticism on a message board but the tone of some of the posts on here is beyond a joke. A bunch of genuinely clueless "experts" who have achieved the square root of fuck all in football declaring managers, players and the board "clueless" (and a lot worse) is pathetic. Having bought a ticket to watch a game of football certainly entitles you to take a view on the performance - but it doesn't entitle you to pretensions of godlike expertise on all matters relating to working for and running a football club. A little more self awareness, humility and respect wouldn't come amiss. But I'm not going to hold my breath. Oh - and maybe getting behind a team that is clearly struggling and in need of support? I know - that's just crazy talk.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 10:36:19 GMT
I’d start him today if I was hughes with a huge talk before kick off of how he believed in him hence the reason he chased him for so long. Now get out there and repay me as my job depends on it!!
There you go Mr Hughes I’ve just done your team talk for him! No need thank me
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 16, 2017 10:45:51 GMT
I’d start him today if I was hughes with a huge talk before kick off of how he believed in him hence the reason he chased him for so long. Now get out there and repay me as my job depends on it!! There you go Mr Hughes I’ve just done your team talk for him! No need thank me If he truly believes in his own ability as a manager this is exactly what he should do.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 16, 2017 10:49:39 GMT
Having watched Mark Hughes systematically dismantle a functional football team over the last two years with bad decision after bad decision, I reckon I'm more than qualified to judge a player better than he can or any of his useless fucking staff can either. The thing about pundits, whether they are ex players in the media or fans on the internet, is that almost none of them have ever managed a team at any level. In a few cases experts like Gary Neville, who is a respected Sky pundit, not only failed in his first and only management position but such was his experience that it has put him off wanting any management post in the future. Our own Mike Pejic who can point out every mistake he thinks Hughes is making has never managed a club at a senior level. I'm all for people giving their views about tactics and players as long as they don't take themselves to seriously, giving opinions as a fan on the internet and actually managing a football club are worlds apart. Lou Macari once said that any football professional who doesn't accept that the man in the stand can be just as savvy as they are when it comes to tactics, is both arrogant and stupid.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 16, 2017 10:54:24 GMT
Loads of pundits are ex-managers.
Loads of them talk the same shite that the rest of us do. There are people who know what they're talking abut and people who don't, just like there are ex-players, ex-refs and supporters.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 16, 2017 11:03:59 GMT
I’d start him today if I was hughes with a huge talk before kick off of how he believed in him hence the reason he chased him for so long. Now get out there and repay me as my job depends on it!! There you go Mr Hughes I’ve just done your team talk for him! No need thank me If he truly believes in his own ability as a manager this is exactly what he should do. Yet you just know that it will be Crouch floating around in isolation and Berahino getting 5 minutes to rescue the game at the end. If he gets on at all.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 16, 2017 11:04:43 GMT
The thing about pundits, whether they are ex players in the media or fans on the internet, is that almost none of them have ever managed a team at any level. In a few cases experts like Gary Neville, who is a respected Sky pundit, not only failed in his first and only management position but such was his experience that it has put him off wanting any management post in the future. Our own Mike Pejic who can point out every mistake he thinks Hughes is making has never managed a club at a senior level. I'm all for people giving their views about tactics and players as long as they don't take themselves to seriously, giving opinions as a fan on the internet and actually managing a football club are worlds apart. Spot on. Nothing wrong with constructive criticism on a message board but the tone of some of the posts on here is beyond a joke. A bunch of genuinely clueless "experts" who have achieved the square root of fuck all in football declaring managers, players and the board "clueless" (and a lot worse) is pathetic. Having bought a ticket to watch a game of football certainly entitles you to take a view on the performance - but it doesn't entitle you to pretensions of godlike expertise on all matters relating to working for and running a football club. A little more self awareness, humility and respect wouldn't come amiss. But I'm not going to hold my breath. Oh - and maybe getting behind a team that is clearly struggling and in need of support? I know - that's just crazy talk. Tbf he has had the fans support in fact he has been given a fairly easy ride over the last 18 months, apathy has turned to anger now the bullshit comments from the Chairman and management have fuelled the flames. When ex pros. start questioning what is going on in much the same way and for the same reasons the fans are something is wrong, even Lou is questioning the management is he wrong as well ? We desperately need a win today for the club anything less and things could turn nasty which will highlight even further the divisions that have become apparent, is this down to Hughes or the whole management set up ?
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 16, 2017 11:06:42 GMT
If he truly believes in his own ability as a manager this is exactly what he should do. Yet you just know that it will be Crouch floating around in isolation and Berahino getting 5 minutes to rescue the game at the end. If he gets on at all. Then he deserves all he get's, I love Crouch but starting with him at his age is mental.
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Post by cousindupree on Dec 16, 2017 11:25:17 GMT
I’d start him today if I was hughes with a huge talk before kick off of how he believed in him hence the reason he chased him for so long. Now get out there and repay me as my job depends on it!! There you go Mr Hughes I’ve just done your team talk for him! No need thank me Hughes needs to win this game which means he needs a matchwinner. In what universe is a 'striker' who hasn't scored for 2 years a sensible call? Surely he is well down the list, in fact, like at Burnley pushing Shawcross up front would be more likely to get you a goal rather than bring Berahino on.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 11:29:49 GMT
I’d start him today if I was hughes with a huge talk before kick off of how he believed in him hence the reason he chased him for so long. Now get out there and repay me as my job depends on it!! There you go Mr Hughes I’ve just done your team talk for him! No need thank me Hughes needs to win this game which means he needs a matchwinner. In what universe is a 'striker' who hasn't scored for 2 years a sensible call? Surely he is well down the list, in fact, like at Burnley pushing Shawcross up front would be more likely to get you a goal rather than bring Berahino on. It’s about putting faith in the striker he chased for 18 months. Play him with a partner. At Burnley that was just pathetic in those last 5 mins watching a centre half be yards off the pace in the opposing penalty area
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 16, 2017 11:36:22 GMT
What a fucking cheek to hold talks with the board. He has cost 12 million pounds and failed to score a single goal. He should be happy that he has a long fat contract. We have a relegation battle on our hands and we dont need some goalshy cryboy wandering around the pitch taking up a starting spot. I cant believe there at Stoke fans that are defending this waster of a footballer. The sooner we fuck him, Imbula & Wimmer off the balance sheet and the squad the better I'd rather him doing this that sitting there not giving a fuck, it seem players can't win, Imbula didn't care/try gets shit, Bera does, gets shit. Totally disagree. Its one thing knocking on the Managers door and asking what he has to do to get a game. But Berahino has gone over his head and straight to the board? 1) The board dont decide who plays and who doesnt thank fuck 2) Its going to ruin his relationship with Hughes 3) Hes done zero to prove he deserves a game. Cant even score in a youth team game This will burn his bridges at Stoke
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 16, 2017 11:54:26 GMT
What is the world coming to when a top top finisher like saddo berinogoal cannot get a game "If carslberg made posts for no other reason than to lever in an utterly wank nickname they've made up for a player......"
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Post by alster on Dec 16, 2017 11:56:01 GMT
I'd rather him doing this that sitting there not giving a fuck, it seem players can't win, Imbula didn't care/try gets shit, Bera does, gets shit. Totally disagree. Its one thing knocking on the Managers door and asking what he has to do to get a game. But Berahino has gone over his head and straight to the board? 1) The board dont decide who plays and who doesnt thank fuck 2) Its going to ruin his relationship with Hughes 3) Hes done zero to prove he deserves a game. Cant even score in a youth team. This will burn his bridges at Stoke It's called the chain of command, if you go to your line manager with an issue and don't get a satisfactory resolution you take it up the chain. If he says to Hughes give me gametime or send me out on loan or sell me and Hughes say's no I'm keeping you here just in case I change my mind, he's totally right to take it over his head. Its called standing up for yourself.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 16, 2017 12:14:59 GMT
Totally disagree. Its one thing knocking on the Managers door and asking what he has to do to get a game. But Berahino has gone over his head and straight to the board? 1) The board dont decide who plays and who doesnt thank fuck 2) Its going to ruin his relationship with Hughes 3) Hes done zero to prove he deserves a game. Cant even score in a youth team. This will burn his bridges at Stoke It's called the chain of command, if you go to your line manager with an issue and don't get a satisfactory resolution you take it up the chain. If he says to Hughes give me gametime or send me out on loan or sell me and Hughes say's no I'm keeping you here just in case I change my mind, he's totally right to take it over his head. Its called standing up for yourself. It's also called piss poor man management if this is indeed what has happened, you are correct though every organisation has grievance procedures in place which you are required to follow.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 16, 2017 13:05:02 GMT
Totally disagree. Its one thing knocking on the Managers door and asking what he has to do to get a game. But Berahino has gone over his head and straight to the board? 1) The board dont decide who plays and who doesnt thank fuck 2) Its going to ruin his relationship with Hughes 3) Hes done zero to prove he deserves a game. Cant even score in a youth team. This will burn his bridges at Stoke It's called the chain of command, if you go to your line manager with an issue and don't get a satisfactory resolution you take it up the chain. If he says to Hughes give me gametime or send me out on loan or sell me and Hughes say's no I'm keeping you here just in case I change my mind, he's totally right to take it over his head. Its called standing up for yourself. I've done exactly that at work, and I applaud Berahino for doing it. Too many people accept any old bullshit from the boss.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 16, 2017 14:55:30 GMT
I'd rather him doing this that sitting there not giving a fuck, it seem players can't win, Imbula didn't care/try gets shit, Bera does, gets shit. Totally disagree. Its one thing knocking on the Managers door and asking what he has to do to get a game. But Berahino has gone over his head and straight to the board? 1) The board dont decide who plays and who doesnt thank fuck 2) Its going to ruin his relationship with Hughes 3) Hes done zero to prove he deserves a game. Cant even score in a youth team game This will burn his bridges at Stoke It won't, a new manager might actually use him.
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Dec 19, 2017 17:53:23 GMT
Joke owner? Are you being serious? The owner is the reason we are currently in our 10th season in the elite league. perhaps we should follow the likes of Bradford, Fulham, Leeds, Wolves, Portsmouth, Blackburn etc. I would advise you take the advice you have so eloquently put at the end of your post and apply it to yourself. Pathetic. SGS Wolves eh? The Wolves that knocked us out of the FA cup and also Liverpool? Then proceeded to sack Lambert and show ambition by signing a foreign manager. The way things are going at Wolves mate they'll be replacing us come next summer. So don't try and preach to me about our lord saviour Coates. Do you're research. One season? How long have they been out of the premier league? How long have they has new owners? Do your research SGS
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Dec 19, 2017 17:55:47 GMT
Joke owner? Are you being serious? The owner is the reason we are currently in our 10th season in the elite league. perhaps we should follow the likes of Bradford, Fulham, Leeds, Wolves, Portsmouth, Blackburn etc. I would advise you take the advice you have so eloquently put at the end of your post and apply it to yourself. Pathetic. SGS Wolves eh? The Wolves that knocked us out of the FA cup and also Liverpool? Then proceeded to sack Lambert and show ambition by signing a foreign manager. The way things are going at Wolves mate they'll be replacing us come next summer. So don't try and preach to me about our lord saviour Coates. Do you're research. Also, because you appear to be jizzing over Wolves, maybe you should go and support them. Clearly, you are moaning kind of guy. Gets boring. SGS
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 19, 2017 18:46:55 GMT
The thing about pundits, whether they are ex players in the media or fans on the internet, is that almost none of them have ever managed a team at any level. In a few cases experts like Gary Neville, who is a respected Sky pundit, not only failed in his first and only management position but such was his experience that it has put him off wanting any management post in the future. Our own Mike Pejic who can point out every mistake he thinks Hughes is making has never managed a club at a senior level. I'm all for people giving their views about tactics and players as long as they don't take themselves to seriously, giving opinions as a fan on the internet and actually managing a football club are worlds apart. Lou Macari once said that any football professional who doesn't accept that the man in the stand can be just as savvy as they are when it comes to tactics, is both arrogant and stupid. Knowing Lou Macari I suspect he was taking the piss when he said that in his typical dry Scots way lol Just like Bill Shankly was when he said football was more important than life or death.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 19, 2017 18:53:18 GMT
The thing about pundits, whether they are ex players in the media or fans on the internet, is that almost none of them have ever managed a team at any level. In a few cases experts like Gary Neville, who is a respected Sky pundit, not only failed in his first and only management position but such was his experience that it has put him off wanting any management post in the future. Our own Mike Pejic who can point out every mistake he thinks Hughes is making has never managed a club at a senior level. I'm all for people giving their views about tactics and players as long as they don't take themselves to seriously, giving opinions as a fan on the internet and actually managing a football club are worlds apart. Spot on. Nothing wrong with constructive criticism on a message board but the tone of some of the posts on here is beyond a joke. A bunch of genuinely clueless "experts" who have achieved the square root of fuck all in football declaring managers, players and the board "clueless" (and a lot worse) is pathetic. Having bought a ticket to watch a game of football certainly entitles you to take a view on the performance - but it doesn't entitle you to pretensions of godlike expertise on all matters relating to working for and running a football club. A little more self awareness, humility and respect wouldn't come amiss. But I'm not going to hold my breath. Oh - and maybe getting behind a team that is clearly struggling and in need of support? I know - that's just crazy talk. Nobody thinks they're an expert. We're a bunch of morons on the internet. That's what makes people like you even funnier! 😂😂
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 19, 2017 20:37:04 GMT
Lou Macari once said that any football professional who doesn't accept that the man in the stand can be just as savvy as they are when it comes to tactics, is both arrogant and stupid. Knowing Lou Macari I suspect he was taking the piss when he said that in his typical dry Scots way lol Just like Bill Shankly was when he said football was more important than life or death. Macari was being deadly serious mate, as was Shankly too for that matter.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 19, 2017 20:54:35 GMT
If I was Berahino I would do the same thing.
He was purchased for 14 million quid ffs, played when he wasn't fit having been out of the game for 18 months, then NOT played once he had a pre season and looked fit.
Not to mention the manager admits he has a system that does not suit saido,then actually playing two up front with a pairing of crouch and diouf, which frankly looks dog shit.berahino would have done no worse this last couple of games and would have at least had a chance to play with a striker partner
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 19, 2017 21:03:56 GMT
Watch this video below, Berahino's goals all came in and around the box. The main them is he has another striker alongside making space for him. He makes intelligent runs because he knows his midfield will look for him.
If the team were in any way set up to get the best from berahino he WOULD score goals. He has undoubted technical ability. And players should be told to looking for him.
Hughes just chucks players into formation and lets them sort it out. A major appeal of a new manager and coaching team is that they might get the best from berahino? The fact berahino has gone to the board is a good sign to me. He cares. He's hungry.
Butland Edwards. Shawcross Zouma Pieters
Allen. Cameron Sobhi
Shaqiri
Berahino Diouf
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 19, 2017 21:04:35 GMT
Hughes needs to win this game which means he needs a matchwinner. In what universe is a 'striker' who hasn't scored for 2 years a sensible call? Surely he is well down the list, in fact, like at Burnley pushing Shawcross up front would be more likely to get you a goal rather than bring Berahino on. It’s about putting faith in the striker he chased for 18 months. Play him with a partner. At Burnley that was just pathetic in those last 5 mins watching a centre half be yards off the pace in the opposing penalty area Trouble is we have a centre half in our own area yards off the pace
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Post by Fred Merger on Dec 19, 2017 21:23:02 GMT
Whoever is in charge come the new year I would like to see a new right and possibly left back brought in and also a central defensive midfielder. Then set up in a 4 2 3 1 away and a 4 4 2 at home.
Butland
New RB Zouma Martins Indi Pieters or new LB
Cameron or new DM Allen
Diouf Shaqiri Ramadan
Berahino
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Post by mattythestokie on Dec 19, 2017 21:36:35 GMT
Watch this video below, Berahino's goals all came in and around the box. The main them is he has another striker alongside making space for him. He makes intelligent runs because he knows his midfield will look for him. If the team were in any way set up to get the best from berahino he WOULD score goals. He has undoubted technical ability. And players should be told to looking for him. Hughes just chucks players into formation and lets them sort it out. A major appeal of a new manager and coaching team is that they might get the best from berahino? The fact berahino has gone to the board is a good sign to me. He cares. He's hungry. Butland Edwards. Shawcross Zouma Pieters Allen. Cameron Sobhi Shaqiri Berahino Diouf So would you play Allen at right wing or Sobhi at centre mid? Because either way - it's a stupid answer.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 19, 2017 21:40:20 GMT
Watch this video below, Berahino's goals all came in and around the box. The main them is he has another striker alongside making space for him. He makes intelligent runs because he knows his midfield will look for him. If the team were in any way set up to get the best from berahino he WOULD score goals. He has undoubted technical ability. And players should be told to looking for him. Hughes just chucks players into formation and lets them sort it out. A major appeal of a new manager and coaching team is that they might get the best from berahino? The fact berahino has gone to the board is a good sign to me. He cares. He's hungry. Butland Edwards. Shawcross Zouma Pieters Allen. Cameron Sobhi Shaqiri Berahino Diouf So would you play Allen at right wing or Sobhi at centre mid? Because either way - it's a stupid answer. Neither. That formation hasn't come out right. I'd play 4-4-2 with the current bunch. The point is there is no right answer is there. The squad is a mess. I don't like the team I just put down there either.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 19, 2017 22:00:48 GMT
Watch this video below, Berahino's goals all came in and around the box. The main them is he has another striker alongside making space for him. He makes intelligent runs because he knows his midfield will look for him. If the team were in any way set up to get the best from berahino he WOULD score goals. He has undoubted technical ability. And players should be told to looking for him. Hughes just chucks players into formation and lets them sort it out. A major appeal of a new manager and coaching team is that they might get the best from berahino? The fact berahino has gone to the board is a good sign to me. He cares. He's hungry. Butland Edwards. Shawcross Zouma Pieters Allen. Cameron Sobhi Shaqiri Berahino Diouf So would you play Allen at right wing or Sobhi at centre mid? Because either way - it's a stupid answer. In fact Sobhi I think could be converted into a midfielder, and could do well in a three man midfield. He is good defensively, works tirelessly, but is not so good in attack!
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 11:15:57 GMT
Wolves eh? The Wolves that knocked us out of the FA cup and also Liverpool? Then proceeded to sack Lambert and show ambition by signing a foreign manager. The way things are going at Wolves mate they'll be replacing us come next summer. So don't try and preach to me about our lord saviour Coates. Do you're research. Also, because you appear to be jizzing over Wolves, maybe you should go and support them. Clearly, you are moaning kind of guy. Gets boring. SGS Getting back to stay away from my club again take less steroids drink more water.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 20, 2017 11:20:35 GMT
I would like to hold talks with Saido Berahino and ask him why he cant hit a cow's arse with a banjo?
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