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Post by knowingeye on Dec 14, 2017 10:51:00 GMT
Blame Coates. How daft a statement is that? If it wasn't for Peter Coates with the support of his son and daughter taking over the club in May 2006, there would not be a Stoke City that you know today. Perhaps you'd like to see a resurrected Stoke Ramblers or AFC Stoke. Under the previous Icelandic owners despite some success the club was heading towards a major financial black hole. It was Peter Coates and his family that refinanced the club and the investment brought much need stability back to Stoke City.
The current "problem" maybe the manager, bad coaching, poor player attitude, however I'm unsure that lack of board vision guided by Peter Coates is valid criticism. Perhaps the answer is a take over with fresh funds and ideas, but please don't lay the blame with Peter Coates, as history tells us a very different story.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 14, 2017 10:54:52 GMT
Coates' mistake has been not sacking him sooner. Make no mistake, this is coaching and playing staff issue. Hughes was backed far less in his early seasons than he has been bankrolled in recent years. It's not Coates' fault that Hughes' recruitment is abysmal.
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 14, 2017 10:55:36 GMT
Knowing eye - have you heard anything about if and when the board will pull the plug on Hughes rein and suggest any possible replacement?
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Post by alster on Dec 14, 2017 10:56:42 GMT
Coates is an issue, as is investment. But our squad should not be where it is right now. Hughes has loaned out those who would be useful and his system and players are not fitting well. Even without investment we should be far higher in the table, and that is solely Hughes' fault. There is a load of bollocking being spouted on this thread as there is a vast difference of opinions on the subject of blame, but to say the players who have been loaned out would be any better is nonsense as nearly all of them can't even hold a regular place down at the clubs they have been farmed out to, also the rest are out injured. At the start of the season most were excited at the new arrivals but my view is it is coming more clear Berahino was not a Hughes signing and most likely Wimmer also but I do think we have yet to replace Arne who is the only one we are clearly missing. And to blame Coates for this is nonsense when there is lesser clubs[/b] who are doing better with less spend but all Stokies have to blame somebody other than it is a collective thing fans as well as becoming a little to complacent in this league as success is a very rare thing to happen to a club our size. Are there name them.
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Post by rambler on Dec 14, 2017 11:01:53 GMT
This will be Hughes' last season what ever happens. The level of blame to place on Coates depends on how long we have to wait for it to happen.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 14, 2017 11:08:41 GMT
by all accounts over the summer Denise (the driving force behind 365) wanted to move forwards with the club and move hughes on and invest a significant sum in the squad this was vetoed by Peter & John for some unknown reason now we are seeing the results of this decision ut severis seges, as you sow, so shall you reap, coates needs a loud message on Saturday that he must change or step aside for a less blinkered old fool That's really quite funny.... John Coates attended Sandbach School and Ut Severis Seges is the school motto. sandbachschool.orgDon't even go down the road of how I know this.... If the Denise point is correct the situation gets more bizarre by the day , for me the summer was the time but we missed another chance with the likes of Moyes and Allardyce available and as said we really should have gone balls out for big Sam while Everton dallied look at the difference , he really was our only remote chance of survival given this squad simply is nowhere near good enough .
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 14, 2017 11:16:51 GMT
Coates is an issue, as is investment. But our squad should not be where it is right now. Hughes has loaned out those who would be useful and his system and players are not fitting well. Even without investment we should be far higher in the table, and that is solely Hughes' fault. There is a load of bollocking being spouted on this thread as there is a vast difference of opinions on the subject of blame, but to say the players who have been loaned out would be any better is nonsense as nearly all of them can't even hold a regular place down at the clubs they have been farmed out to, also the rest are out injured. At the start of the season most were excited at the new arrivals but my view is it is coming more clear Berahino was not a Hughes signing and most likely Wimmer also but I do think we have yet to replace Arne who is the only one we are clearly missing. And to blame Coates for this is nonsense when there is lesser clubs who are doing better with less spend but all Stokies have to blame somebody other than it is a collective thing fans as well as becoming a little to complacent in this league as success is a very rare thing to happen to a club our size. What makes you think it's becoming clear Berahino wasn't a Hughes signing? Or Wimmer for that matter? Certainly the club, and it came across as led by Hughes, were after Berahino for ages. Pulis said Hughes had been chasing him too. It fitted Hughes strategy regarding bringing in promising but stalling ' talent '. Not sure about Wimmer but again it fits the above scenario and I would've thought if Hughes hadn't wanted him he wouldn't be playing him anywhere near so regularly.
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Post by knowingeye on Dec 14, 2017 11:20:07 GMT
Knowing eye - have you heard anything about if and when the board will pull the plug on Hughes rein and suggest any possible replacement? No reason why I would hear anything like that.
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Post by knowingeye on Dec 14, 2017 11:28:45 GMT
That's really quite funny.... John Coates attended Sandbach School and Ut Severis Seges is the school motto. sandbachschool.orgDon't even go down the road of how I know this.... If the Denise point is correct the situation gets more bizarre by the day , for me the summer was the time but we missed another chance with the likes of Moyes and Allardyce available and as said we really should have gone balls out for big Sam while Everton dallied look at the difference , he really was our only remote chance of survival given this squad simply is nowhere near good enough . Sam Allardyce reportedly earns over £100k per week on a 18month contract at Everton
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Post by fca47 on Dec 14, 2017 11:46:29 GMT
Absolute bollocks. Hughes all the way. He has totally fucked the squad and his formations and tactics have been laughable.
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Post by alster on Dec 14, 2017 11:55:13 GMT
If the Denise point is correct the situation gets more bizarre by the day , for me the summer was the time but we missed another chance with the likes of Moyes and Allardyce available and as said we really should have gone balls out for big Sam while Everton dallied look at the difference , he really was our only remote chance of survival given this squad simply is nowhere near good enough . Sam Allardyce reportedly earns over £100k per week on a 18month contract at Everton I'm not a Sam fan but why does that even surprise you? do you think its normal for a manager to earn a fraction of what his players do. The manager should earn more than the highest paid player and on that money you can be certain that he doesn't. We're cheapskate in that department like all others.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 14, 2017 15:06:46 GMT
Having just gone in from work and read his comments in the paper😮😡I’m starting to think he’d as deluded as the manager “I don’t know what all the fuss is about there is still plenty of time” “We were in a similar situation last season and came through it” “There was nothing wrong with the performance against Burnley infact you could argue we deserved to win” With the 2 Home games coming up next Coates denied the axe was hovering over the Welshman “I wouldn’t say anything of the kind they’re just 2 games” “The situation is no different to before the Burnley game” Welcome to the championship folks😡
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Post by alster on Dec 14, 2017 15:15:55 GMT
Having just gone in from work and read his comments in the paper😮😡I’m starting to think he’d as deluded as the manager “I don’t know what all the fuss is about there is still plenty of time” “We were in a similar situation last season and came through it” “There was nothing wrong with the performance against Burnley infact you could argue we deserved to win” With the 2 Home games coming up next Coates denied the axe was hovering over the Welshman “I wouldn’t say anything of the kind they’re just 2 games” “The situation is no different to before the Burnley game” Welcome to the championship folks😡 Surprised the tortoise poked his head out long enough to say anything.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 14, 2017 15:19:00 GMT
Having just gone in from work and read his comments in the paper😮😡I’m starting to think he’d as deluded as the manager “I don’t know what all the fuss is about there is still plenty of time” “We were in a similar situation last season and came through it” “There was nothing wrong with the performance against Burnley infact you could argue we deserved to win” With the 2 Home games coming up next Coates denied the axe was hovering over the Welshman “I wouldn’t say anything of the kind they’re just 2 games” “The situation is no different to before the Burnley game” Welcome to the championship folks😡 Surprised the tortoise poked his head out long enough to say anything. "You've never had it so good"!
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Post by alster on Dec 14, 2017 15:30:09 GMT
Surprised the tortoise poked his head out long enough to say anything. "You've never had it so good"! Neither has he now that's a fact.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 14, 2017 15:41:47 GMT
He's absolutely part of the problem.
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Post by stokie1954 on Dec 14, 2017 18:04:43 GMT
Blame Coates. How daft a statement is that? If it wasn't for Peter Coates with the support of his son and daughter taking over the club in May 2006, there would not be a Stoke City that you know today. Perhaps you'd like to see a resurrected Stoke Ramblers or AFC Stoke. Under the previous Icelandic owners despite some success the club was heading towards a major financial black hole. It was Peter Coates and his family that refinanced the club and the investment brought much need stability back to Stoke City. The current "problem" maybe the manager, bad coaching, poor player attitude, however I'm unsure that lack of board vision guided by Peter Coates is valid criticism. Perhaps the answer is a take over with fresh funds and ideas, but please don't lay the blame with Peter Coates, as history tells us a very different story. Actually, history does not tell us a different story. You obviously weren't part of the protest march way back over the Coates/Humphreys regime. Were you there against the bluenoses when the exec boxes were stormed with a snide comment from the grovelling Conroy about how naughty we were?. I did hope that when Coates came back to power we would never see a repeat. It could possibly happen no matter who is to blame!.
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Post by superheroantonius on Dec 14, 2017 18:12:37 GMT
I am not itk
But my guess is any money the coates family invested in the club years ago as been recovered by now
So the family are happy for the club to be PCs pastime or hobby if You prefer
The end
Nobody is really bothered whether the club wins silverware or doesnt. Makes a profit or doesnt.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 14, 2017 18:14:35 GMT
There is a load of bollocking being spouted on this thread as there is a vast difference of opinions on the subject of blame, but to say the players who have been loaned out would be any better is nonsense as nearly all of them can't even hold a regular place down at the clubs they have been farmed out to, also the rest are out injured. At the start of the season most were excited at the new arrivals but my view is it is coming more clear Berahino was not a Hughes signing and most likely Wimmer also but I do think we have yet to replace Arne who is the only one we are clearly missing. And to blame Coates for this is nonsense when there is lesser clubs who are doing better with less spend but all Stokies have to blame somebody other than it is a collective thing fans as well as becoming a little to complacent in this league as success is a very rare thing to happen to a club our size. What makes you think it's becoming clear Berahino wasn't a Hughes signing? Or Wimmer for that matter? Certainly the club, and it came across as led by Hughes, were after Berahino for ages. Pulis said Hughes had been chasing him too. It fitted Hughes strategy regarding bringing in promising but stalling ' talent '. Not sure about Wimmer but again it fits the above scenario and I would've thought if Hughes hadn't wanted him he wouldn't be playing him anywhere near so regularly. Plus why would 'the club' actively spend 18m on Wimper behind Hughes' back when they weren't willing to spend a smaller sum on BMI?
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Dec 14, 2017 18:19:51 GMT
Hindsight - the friend of the powerless. The board don't have a crystal ball. Silva could have flopped like so many new-to-the-prem managers before him. Coates has done wonders for the city of stoke on trent, and continues to do so. If you are going on a witch hunt then I'm out. Dunner go talking sense mate. I distinctly remember 95% of the posters on here begging for Silva... or at least I think I do...
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 14, 2017 18:28:27 GMT
He's absolutely part of the problem. So another two and another two and another two, utter bollocks.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 14, 2017 18:29:18 GMT
He's absolutely part of the problem. Clear them all out. Fucking awful. I cannot believe that Coates has made those comments.
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Post by songthrush01 on Dec 14, 2017 18:35:17 GMT
dreadful.as said before this club is a disgrace from top to bottom.fans need to rally together and make there feelings known to uncle whats the story no glory coates.
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Post by liamo on Dec 14, 2017 18:39:28 GMT
Yeah there's no rush Pete, well there wasn't 2 years ago
At this point if there's no rush we might as well just not bother anymore
The change most fans want isn't coming
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Post by thevoid on Dec 14, 2017 19:05:54 GMT
Let's be in no doubt now, Coates is part of the problem.
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Post by leicspotter on Dec 14, 2017 19:10:05 GMT
Chardenfreude? Is this John's way of finally taking his revenge on the school bullies? Who knows...I don't recall him being bullied particularly, though there were so many bullies there it's almost inevitable...John was very well spoken, as indeed was I to a lesser degree, and there was a hard core of thugs in there who considered anyone well spoken to be 'posh snobs' and they got targeted. The teachers of course didn't give two hoots. I didn't really have much cause to speak to John in my time there as he was dead clever and was in all the top classes whereas I was thick and stupid by comparison so I was in the lower classes. Plus being sad I didn't have any friends, etc etc. Stop it, you'll have me in tears! I went to school in Leek and 'cos I spoke proper they called me "lah di dah", I'm as common as muck but, hey, it was Leek
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Post by StokieNath on Dec 14, 2017 19:34:48 GMT
Coates out.
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 14, 2017 19:38:34 GMT
Let's be in no doubt now, Coates is part of the problem. Yes, there's loyalty and calm headedness......... then there's stupidity and falling asleep at the wheel. Coates seems to have firmly placed himself in the second category as far as I'm concerned. The situation is getting totally bloody ridiculous now.
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Post by stokie1954 on Dec 14, 2017 20:20:26 GMT
I had too take mine out today to go to Lidl. Bloody cold!.
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Post by loosestools on Dec 14, 2017 20:27:29 GMT
I had too take mine out today to go to Lidl. Bloody cold!. A huge contribution that is to our plight.
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