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Post by Jimmyg on Dec 10, 2017 12:04:46 GMT
Shotton was a better prospect for wing back than Edwards is now only hughes never gave him a chance.
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Post by wembley1972 on Dec 10, 2017 12:07:53 GMT
Look at them again. Nowhere near son on the first and failed to stop the cross again. Ran off the back of him for the 2nd and 4th and he was nowhere near stopping yet another cross for the third having already made a ridiculous attempt to play out to Shaqiri. They targeted him and he was totally out of his depth and incapable of doing the basics right. Only wimmer was worse than him on the day. I do feel that he has been fed to the lions but I also agree he was at fault for some of the goals yesterday. He needs to go out on loan to a team that will play him every week. It's all well and good looking great playing at the level he has been competing at but this was a whole other level or two. Hughes couldn't manage a fish supper, get him out!
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Post by iancransonsknees on Dec 10, 2017 12:09:39 GMT
Think back to Andy Griffin and his debut as a 17 year old. Edwards is nowhere near that level. I remember that. He wasn't the finished article and he had the benefit of doing it out of the spotlight in the Championship. Much the same as Andy Wilkinson who was given plenty of time to mature out on loan. But that doesn't make for a well built cross to crucify someone from does it?
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 10, 2017 12:11:13 GMT
I'm certainly not knocking the young lad. But the games he should be blooded in most certainly shouldn't be against two of the best footballing sides in the league. That's like throwing the kid to the lions. Playing in two games where the opposition have put 12 goals past us most certainly won't have done his confidence any good.
OS.
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Post by stokemark on Dec 10, 2017 12:12:08 GMT
Says everything about our transfer policy and cheap skate attitude giving Johnson a new contract when his legs had clearly gone
Feel very sorry for the lad
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 10, 2017 12:16:42 GMT
The side clearly is not being schooled properly in how to play 3-4-3.
No one knows their defensive responsiblities.
The gaps between the CBs are huge. Zouma and Wimmer are unsure of when to support the wing backs and when to hold the middle of the pitch. Fletcher and Allen are too far away from the space in front of the defence and Fletcher especially does not have the mobility to get himself into the spaces around our wing backs when opposition teams overload one side of the field or switch play with a crossfield ball. Shaq and Choupo or not defensively aware and offer next to no real help to the players behind them.
3-4-3 should adapt itself easily into 5-4-1 when we don't have the ball but we seem to have 11 players with no clue on what their responsibilities are.
We do have some decent (if limited) defensive players we do have some decent creative options. We also appear to be commited to a style of play completely at odds with the skill set of our players.
Tom Edwards, like the rest of the players, is being sent out to do a job that he doesn't really understand. If he was the only one of the team in this situation then I believe he would warrant the criticism some are giving him.
We have a squad that is suited to a flexible 4-2-3-1; it is madness and vain conceit to continue with 3-4-3.
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Post by Macko on Dec 10, 2017 12:25:33 GMT
Really badly treated by Hughes, he will have watched MOTD and realise he had a shocker, but its not his fault. Badly managed, shocking tactics and playing in a heavily demotivated team, poor lad didn't have a chance
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 10, 2017 12:46:39 GMT
Hughes knows exactly what he's doing.... He isn't interested in youth, he wants to keep bringing players in.... ££££ or €€€€
He's hung Edwards out to dry....of all the games he could have played him in in recent weeks, the only two games he gets is away at Man City and Tottenham!!!
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Post by flinteastwood on Dec 10, 2017 13:02:46 GMT
I hope he gets played against Burnley so we can actually judge how good he is, he's had to defend one on one with two out and out speed merchants in Sane and Son and had no help from Shaq.
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Post by stokesaint1 on Dec 10, 2017 14:54:46 GMT
I hope he gets played against Burnley so we can actually judge how good he is, he's had to defend one on one with two out and out speed merchants in Sane and Son and had no help from Shaq. And herein lies the problem. No one gets any help from Shaq. The only time you see him in our half is when we are kicking off. Whether it's manager's instructions or the fact he's bone idle doesn't help the team, that has the worst defensive record in the league, one iota. We are continually exposed down the flanks particularly our right, whoever is hung out to dry in the "wing back" role.
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Post by mrred on Dec 10, 2017 15:09:25 GMT
Honestly? I think it'll do youngsters good. Let's not pretend they're all snowflakes, they want to play against the best in the world.
Hughes out.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 10, 2017 15:11:34 GMT
Think back to Andy Griffin and his debut as a 17 year old. Edwards is nowhere near that level. I remember that. He wasn't the finished article and he had the benefit of doing it out of the spotlight in the Championship and out on numerous loans, much the same as Andy Wilkinson who was given plenty of time to mature. But that doesn't make for a well built cross to crucify someone from does it? You clearly don't remember properly then. Griffin had no loan. He played for the youth team in the morning, was subbed because he was needed for the 1st team, was brilliant, stayed in the team and less than a year later he was playing in the premier league and Europe having been sold to high flying Newcastle. Look at young Kenny at Everton. The difference is enormous.
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Post by smiler_andy on Dec 10, 2017 15:20:58 GMT
Andy Griffin made his debut at Stoke in the First Division (Championship) which is a mile apart from the Premiership in quality standards.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Griffin
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 10, 2017 15:25:16 GMT
He is a good lad but needs time to find his feet and the two games he has had feel very harsh especially with no help in front of him . He needs a run in the side with a player like Diouf in front of him the he will get some confidence .
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 10, 2017 15:31:49 GMT
Andy Griffin made his debut at Stoke in the First Division (Championship) which is a mile apart from the Premiership in quality standards.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_GriffinBy 18/19 he was playing in the premier league and Europe for Newcastle. If he went out on loan I doubt it would be to a championship team.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 10, 2017 15:32:24 GMT
He is a good lad but needs time to find his feet and the two games he has had feel very harsh especially with no help in front of him . He needs a run in the side with a player like Diouf in front of him the he will get some confidence . Diouf didn't offer him much assistance at man city
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 10, 2017 15:37:04 GMT
He is a good lad but needs time to find his feet and the two games he has had feel very harsh especially with no help in front of him . He needs a run in the side with a player like Diouf in front of him the he will get some confidence . Diouf didn't offer him much assistance at man city Fair point I believe Pennant is still playing , he used to track back !! Says it all our players won't work for each other
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 10, 2017 15:44:29 GMT
Diouf didn't offer him much assistance at man city Fair point I believe Pennant is still playing , he used to track back !! Says it all our players won't work for each other It's harsh to single him out because work rate is usually his forte but I think that's why I was so disappointed with diouf. I slaughtered him at the game because in large parts of regular patterns of play he was just stood still. The motd picked it up as well. It was scandalous really and it was worse for him because if he doesn't run around he generally offers very little.
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Post by smiler_andy on Dec 10, 2017 16:34:17 GMT
Andy Griffin made his debut at Stoke in the First Division (Championship) which is a mile apart from the Premiership in quality standards.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_GriffinBy 18/19 he was playing in the premier league and Europe for Newcastle. If he went out on loan I doubt it would be to a championship team. I never said he had gone out on loan to a Championship level club that was someone else By the time Griffin was playing in the Premier League for Newcastle he had already played 57 games at Championship level and another 7 games in FA & League Cup for Stoke. How can you compare Edwards who has a learning curve of U23 games and games at Man City and Spurs be compared on the same level as Griffin at a similar age and experience?
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Post by lee1982 on Dec 10, 2017 16:37:22 GMT
Practically everyone on the forum has been crying out for a fb with pace and for young players to be given a chance. As soon as a player with those characteristics gets a game, everyone and his dog falls on top of each other saying he's not goo enough and what a fool the manager is for playing a youth... mate with respect, take a look at the fucking games he’s been thrown into. Weve played lesser sides when he was fit. Most notibly bottom of the fucking league.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 10, 2017 16:37:41 GMT
By 18/19 he was playing in the premier league and Europe for Newcastle. If he went out on loan I doubt it would be to a championship team. By the time Griffin was playing in the Premier League for Newcastle he had already played 57 games at Championship level and another 7 games in FA & League Cup for Stoke. How can you compare Edwards who has a learning curve of U23 games and games at Man City and Spurs be compared on the same level as Griffin at a similar age and experience? Same position, same age. Griffin was light years ahead of this lad. If you don't want that comparison, use Jonjo Kenny at Everton. Again, absolutely no comparison. Griffin was playing championship football at winning player of the year awards at 17. I suspect Edwards would struggle to get a loan move to someone as lowly as the vale.
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Post by lee1982 on Dec 10, 2017 16:48:42 GMT
Practically everyone on the forum has been crying out for a fb with pace and for young players to be given a chance. As soon as a player with those characteristics gets a game, everyone and his dog falls on top of each other saying he's not goo enough and what a fool the manager is for playing a youth... mate with respect, take a look at the fucking games he’s been thrown into. Weve played lesser sides when he was fit. Most notibly bottom of the fucking league.
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Post by milky on Dec 10, 2017 16:50:40 GMT
Seemingly the lad couldn't be trusted for 20 minutes at Palace but was ok to be thrown to the wolves at the Etihad and Wembley.
Add to that the ridiculous decision to stick Shaqiri out wide again and you come to 2 possible conclusions.The manager has either
1 -Lost his marbles 2 - Trying to prove a point.
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Post by pottersrule on Dec 10, 2017 16:53:15 GMT
Anyone else feel really sorry for the poor lad. He's been hung out to dry by Hughes and I imagine his confidence has taken a tumble. We are desperate for a full back/wing back and this shows the sheer stupidity of the board. Why didn't we sign a full back in the summer? What adds to the stupidity is that we got rid of Bardsley and gave the useless Johnson an extension. We need a shake up from top to bottom.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 16:55:09 GMT
Don't mind him playing these games, he's a decent young player and he'll learn. The problem is that he is only playing these games, even when he's needed in the lesser games.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 10, 2017 17:03:18 GMT
Andy Griffin made his debut at Stoke in the First Division (Championship) which is a mile apart from the Premiership in quality standards.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_GriffinDon't let facts ruin a shit argument.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 10, 2017 17:21:34 GMT
Andy Griffin made his debut at Stoke in the First Division (Championship) which is a mile apart from the Premiership in quality standards.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_GriffinDon't let facts ruin a shit argument. Come on then guru...what is this lad actually good at? Griffin at 17 was light years ahead of this lad. Fuck me, even shotton was better
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 10, 2017 18:21:33 GMT
Don't let facts ruin a shit argument. Come on then guru...what is this lad actually good at? Griffin at 17 was light years ahead of this lad. Fuck me, even shotton was better There's no point in even going there Dave, he was clearly there with Bojan murdering half your family, there's no point. 😂
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 10, 2017 18:25:12 GMT
Come on then guru...what is this lad actually good at? Griffin at 17 was light years ahead of this lad. Fuck me, even shotton was better There's no point in even going there Dave, he was clearly there with Bojan murdering half your family, there's no point. 😂 I want him to be brilliant. Hell, we need a right back. Let's be honest though...at this moment in time, he's nowhere near good enough
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 10, 2017 18:38:04 GMT
There's no point in even going there Dave, he was clearly there with Bojan murdering half your family, there's no point. 😂 I want him to be brilliant. Hell, we need a right back. Let's be honest though...at this moment in time, he's nowhere near good enough He isn't, but there's absolutely no need to be slaughtering the lad on here like you have.
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