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Post by poethebald on Dec 9, 2017 18:26:11 GMT
I think it's more the latter. I think it's very much both. The problems with the manager were crystal clear last season. The board in their wisdom left him in his position and took a profit in the transfer window. By their actions they are far more to blame than him. Spot on.....
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Dec 9, 2017 18:30:46 GMT
I think it's more the latter. I think it's very much both. The problems with the manager were crystal clear last season. The board in their wisdom left him in his position and took a profit in the transfer window. By their actions they are far more to blame than him. If I understand you correctly, you're stating that another manager would not have fared any better than Hughes has these past two seasons with the current board and players?
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 9, 2017 18:31:06 GMT
Top flight football isn't like any other businesses. You can be doing badly but because the money is so strong within it, even if your business isn't going so well, it depends on who is doing worse than you at the time. There are worse teams than us in our business at the moment and Coates wont change his strategy until this becomes the norm. Hughes has lost it for me and his time is up but in the bigger picture of business, Coates will think that not all is lost even though we think that it is. Staying in the league is his priority and this defeat wont change a thing. Coates is a shuffling old man who has lost the plot, he is putting the clubs future in the hands of an incompetent manager who is little short of a fraudster as a football manager. He has been hoodwinked by these con men, his family need to step in to save the club and their legacy.
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Post by PB1863 on Dec 9, 2017 18:38:48 GMT
We are only one win off tenth. With these stats I can’t see Coates sacking Hughes.
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Post by alster on Dec 9, 2017 18:39:44 GMT
I think it's very much both. The problems with the manager were crystal clear last season. The board in their wisdom left him in his position and took a profit in the transfer window. By their actions they are far more to blame than him. If I understand you correctly, you're stating that another manager would not have fared any better than Hughes has these past two seasons with the current board and players? You don't understand me correctly. The manager has been under performing for very nearly two years, that the board have allowed this to happen makes them more culpable even than him himself. They've also tried to cheapskate in the market which for people who's wealth is burgeoning is really poor.
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Post by turtlefox on Dec 9, 2017 18:40:54 GMT
Top flight football isn't like any other businesses. You can be doing badly but because the money is so strong within it, even if your business isn't going so well, it depends on who is doing worse than you at the time. There are worse teams than us in our business at the moment and Coates wont change his strategy until this becomes the norm. Hughes has lost it for me and his time is up but in the bigger picture of business, Coates will think that not all is lost even though we think that it is. Staying in the league is his priority and this defeat wont change a thing. Coates is a shuffling old man who has lost the plot, he is putting the clubs future in the hands of an incompetent manager who is little short of a fraudster as a football manager. He has been hoodwinked by these con men, his family need to step in to save the club and their legacy. You make him sound like some old bloke with dementia. That's not quite true. This is a business and has to be run like a business. That may not be what fans want to hear but that is what it is now.
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Post by Bombus on Dec 9, 2017 18:42:58 GMT
If the owners wanted to make a statement then I think we could attract a decent name. The fact that they won't means I'm increasingly interested in the Aberdeen manager. We can't carry on like this. Not an earthly chance old man Coates will go for anybody who hasn't got PL experience half way through a season. TP
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 9, 2017 18:44:48 GMT
I think we missed our chance when Allardyce was available. I don't, he wanted a bigger club and he got it in the end, we would never have given him the wages or the money to spend that he was after. Or the BUNGS....don't forget the bungs!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 18:45:33 GMT
They're a decent side, used to Wembley........ who haven't scored more than one goal in 6 of their 7 games there this season. Please go, Mark. We've played them four times, conceded 17 goals and scored 1 No excuses. Time To Go
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 18:46:36 GMT
I think it's very much both. The problems with the manager were crystal clear last season. The board in their wisdom left him in his position and took a profit in the transfer window. By their actions they are far more to blame than him. If I understand you correctly, you're stating that another manager would not have fared any better than Hughes has these past two seasons with the current board and players? Say whaaaaat? 😱😲
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 9, 2017 18:48:56 GMT
I think we missed our chance when Allardyce was available. 1 million per cent spot on and no hindsight said so at the time , the only one with even a scoobie of saving this lot . we are done now whoever the manager is , club clearly not going to invest so it's just a question if taking our pain. Until may and then seeing this squad dismantled .
Allardyce was never, ever going to come to Stoke Benji.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 9, 2017 18:49:07 GMT
Except against Real Madrid and Borussia Dortmund......... Having just heard his Radio Stoke interview he didn't see what happened in the second half coming! 'It's not the system it's the players!' He said at halftime he was looking forward to the second half! 😮 So was Potechino! He had a plan to change things in the 2nd half. Hughes didn’t. End of story.
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Post by auntiegeorge on Dec 9, 2017 18:51:34 GMT
I think we missed our chance when Allardyce was available. Yes but PC wouldn't have been prepared to pay him anywhere near the salary he's getting at Everton would he?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 9, 2017 18:53:44 GMT
Oh I agree entirely mate. Hughes is here for a while yet under saint payt. I think a beating at Turf Moor in the week will do for him. Coates will turn to Toxic Tone - there is no one else out there he would trust. Guess his first team sheet! 😁
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Dec 9, 2017 18:56:37 GMT
If I understand you correctly, you're stating that another manager would not have fared any better than Hughes has these past two seasons with the current board and players? You don't understand me correctly. The manager has been under performing for very nearly two years, that the board have allowed this to happen makes them more culpable even than him himself. They've also tried to cheapskate in the market which for people who's wealth is burgeoning is really poor. That's clearer and I would agree with your reasoning then.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 19:54:17 GMT
There is (as I've said) a complete lack of ambition at the club. Whether it's Mark Hughes or Peter Coates's fault, I will never know, but we have thrown away, a big chance to compete at the top table, through ineptitude in the transfer market. I don't get it, but they can kiss my arse in future!
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Post by stokeykez on Dec 9, 2017 20:23:10 GMT
They're a decent side, used to Wembley........ who haven't scored more than one goal in 6 of their 7 games there this season. Please go, Mark. Except against Real Madrid and Borussia Dortmund......... Having just heard his Radio Stoke interview he didn't see what happened in the second half coming! 'It's not the system it's the players!' The more he blames the players the more they will not play for him. He's lost the dressing room
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Post by stokeykez on Dec 9, 2017 20:25:09 GMT
If I understand you correctly, you're stating that another manager would not have fared any better than Hughes has these past two seasons with the current board and players? You don't understand me correctly. The manager has been under performing for very nearly two years, that the board have allowed this to happen makes them more culpable even than him himself. They've also tried to cheapskate in the market which for people who's wealth is burgeoning is really poor. Exactly the point merson is making. Stoke have become complacent
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Post by Bowyer83 on Dec 9, 2017 20:25:16 GMT
I think we missed our chance in the Summer. Hughes should have gone and we should have tried to bring in Marco Silva.
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Post by stokeykez on Dec 9, 2017 23:45:55 GMT
We will pay the price for being skinflints on this. We have missed out on several steady managers by hanging on.
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