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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 5:07:55 GMT
We can use the loan market well but this lad was another high risk as was Bony. We need to look for good players who will work for us but with a good attitude and we have signed too many both on loan and permanently whose attitude is not good enough and we knew it already Jese Bony Berahino Imbula. Why are we wasting our time on these people ? Because every single one of those signings looked like a great addition to the team. Everyone was over the moon when Bony was announced. Imbula looked incredible in his first half season. Jese looked like he had a soark in him (and still does). Berahino had some good early showings and needs a big run of games.Shame some didn't work out but oh well, it happens. I'm glad we go for some of these players instead of signing all the boring old merry go round half alright English 6 foot lumps who do a decent ish job every week. I want some of them, and someone who can give us a 10/10 one week and win the match. The only player we start at the minute that does that is shaq.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2017 8:16:29 GMT
We shouldn't be loaning players.
It's cheap.
It's short term.
It's just wank.
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Post by lordb on Dec 8, 2017 8:20:40 GMT
We shouldn't be loaning players. It's cheap. It's short term. It's just wank. Except when it works. E.g club legend (& he is) Shawcross. Crossley. Indi.
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Dec 8, 2017 8:31:32 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2017 8:31:32 GMT
We shouldn't be loaning players. It's cheap. It's short term. It's just wank. Except when it works. E.g club legend (& he is) Shawcross. Crossley. Indi. Two of them are from a different era when we weren't shitting in cash. Indi's loan was a complete cock up with the final deal.
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Post by lordb on Dec 8, 2017 8:38:08 GMT
Except when it works. E.g club legend (& he is) Shawcross. Crossley. Indi. Two of them are from a different era when we weren't shitting in cash. Indi's loan was a complete cock up with the final deal. It was a successful loan,full stop. Relative to many in this league I think our transfer budget will continue to be low (with or without Hughes) as such to maintain an acceptable level of quality we are going to have to supplement the squad with loans for years to come. Many won't work as has been seen but some do & indeed can be crucial. The alternative is not have enough players or buy lesser quality players. Until Stoke start spending proper money (still amazed how many of how supporters think £15m or so is big money) then whoever the manager is will have to pull rabbits out of hats and use the loan system.
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Dec 8, 2017 9:20:15 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2017 9:20:15 GMT
Two of them are from a different era when we weren't shitting in cash. Indi's loan was a complete cock up with the final deal. It was a successful loan,full stop. Relative to many in this league I think our transfer budget will continue to be low (with or without Hughes) as such to maintain an acceptable level of quality we are going to have to supplement the squad with loans for years to come. Many won't work as has been seen but some do & indeed can be crucial. The alternative is not have enough players or buy lesser quality players. Until Stoke start spending proper money (still amazed how many of how supporters think £15m or so is big money) then whoever the manager is will have to pull rabbits out of hats and use the loan system. No it wasn't. The deal for him was meant to have a clause in where we could sign him and that clearly didn't work. Instead he spent pre-season in Porto doing God knows what work and came back to us unfit and hasn't been fit since. It's cheap and creates more problems than it solves for us now and we shouldn't go near a loan unless it has a cast iron clause to sign them at the end. The alternative is to get long term options in. And we haven't bought quality in, Zouma and Jese aren't better than what we own.
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Post by alster on Dec 8, 2017 11:53:56 GMT
Zouma, BMI and Grant. Just off the top of my head and over the last 12 months. Not too shite. Well some of the loans are Shite Especially the bad ones Its been taken the wrong way. I wasn't meant as a dig at any of the players we've had on loan good or bad it was more an opinion that loans seem very small time for a club of our status. We're a rich club we shouldn't need to beg borrow and steal.
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Dec 8, 2017 13:24:38 GMT
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Post by s7oke on Dec 8, 2017 13:24:38 GMT
I’m just glad that Jesé actually wants to play
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Dec 8, 2017 14:42:03 GMT
Post by rrrrleek on Dec 8, 2017 14:42:03 GMT
Get him gone no idea y signed him. To much injury prone tho y Madrid sold
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 14:45:14 GMT
Wish we'd of had Berahino on loan first! 😬
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 8, 2017 14:46:36 GMT
Do we do any due diligence on players at all.
Cartwright really is stealing a fucking living.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 8, 2017 14:48:35 GMT
Wouldn't be gobsmacked if that's the last we see of him. All 3 parties have to agree to end it early ...so unless that happens he’s here til May So unless the decision maker at PSG is either boozed or certifiably insane, we're stuck with him. just add PSG to Spurs in the list of clubs that laugh at our recruitment policy.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2017 14:54:46 GMT
Do we do any due diligence on players at all. Cartwright really is stealing a fucking living. The quick google I did when he was first linked suggested he hadn't recovered from his injuries and had attitude problems. It literally took a minute and that's what we've seen so far.
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Dec 8, 2017 15:14:28 GMT
Post by mongolikecandy on Dec 8, 2017 15:14:28 GMT
You wanted to spunk £25 million on Iheanacho. He's managed no premier league goal and no assists. "Better than the strikers we have easily. We'd be daft not to bid at that price," you, and loads of others, said. You all appear to have been wrong. But, hey, let's forget all that and just concentrate on the criticism of Hughes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 15:19:16 GMT
You wanted to spunk £25 million on Iheanacho. He's managed no premier league goal and no assists. "Better than the strikers we have easily. We'd be daft not to bid at that price," you, and loads of others, said. You all appear to have been wrong. But, hey, let's forget all that and just concentrate on the criticism of Hughes. Would it be guaranteed that he'd fail here, just because he hasn't ripped up trees at Leicester?
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Dec 8, 2017 15:27:58 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2017 15:27:58 GMT
You wanted to spunk £25 million on Iheanacho. He's managed no premier league goal and no assists. "Better than the strikers we have easily. We'd be daft not to bid at that price," you, and loads of others, said. You all appear to have been wrong. But, hey, let's forget all that and just concentrate on the criticism of Hughes. I still would.
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Dec 8, 2017 15:34:49 GMT
Post by mongolikecandy on Dec 8, 2017 15:34:49 GMT
"Would it be guaranteed that he'd fail here, just because he hasn't ripped up trees at Leicester?" That's the point. According to people on here, bayern in this case, a quick search on google is enough to know about Jese. The know-it-all amateur managers on here have made this forum unbearable.
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Post by jezzascfc on Dec 8, 2017 15:42:46 GMT
We shouldn't be loaning players. It's cheap. It's short term. It's just wank. Try before you buy can work and be beneficial, especially when a player is moving country to a new culture, language etc. Imagine if we had paid another $18m fee for Jese? I have more of an issue with the likes of Zouma - where we are clearly getting him match sharp before he resumes his Chelsea career. I would rather we blood and develop our own player.
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Dec 8, 2017 15:50:59 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2017 15:50:59 GMT
We shouldn't be loaning players. It's cheap. It's short term. It's just wank. Try before you buy can work and be beneficial, especially when a player is moving country to a new culture, language etc. Imagine if we had paid another $18m fee for Jese? I have more of an issue with the likes of Zouma - where we are clearly getting him match sharp before he resumes his Chelsea career. I would rather we blood and develop our own player. We shouldn't be in a position where that's possible though Jezza. Doing a bit of research would have set alarm bells ringing and we wouldn't have touched him with a bargepole or they should have done. The Zouma loan for me is a farce for this reason.
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Post by mongolikecandy on Dec 8, 2017 15:59:33 GMT
Iheanacho boasts the eighth best minutes-per-goal ratio of any player to have made more than 10 Premier League appearances. He's done FA at Leicester. Past performance is not indicative of future results. Mark Stein, Mike Sheron were crap at their former clubs. Fuller's knees were knackered etc etc etc Wimmer is shit and a waste of £18m after a few games but it would be worth spending £25m on Iheanacho who's done nothing at leicester. The constant hypocrisy on here is tedious
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2017 16:33:04 GMT
Iheanacho boasts the eighth best minutes-per-goal ratio of any player to have made more than 10 Premier League appearances. He's done FA at Leicester. Past performance is not indicative of future results. Mark Stein, Mike Sheron were crap at their former clubs. Fuller's knees were knackered etc etc etc Wimmer is shit and a waste of £18m after a few games but it would be worth spending £25m on Iheanacho who's done nothing at leicester. The constant hypocrisy on here is tedious You're comparing chalk and cheese.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 8, 2017 16:50:56 GMT
"Would it be guaranteed that he'd fail here, just because he hasn't ripped up trees at Leicester?" That's the point. According to people on here, bayern in this case, a quick search on google is enough to know about Jese. The know-it-all amateur managers on here have made this forum unbearable. Read something else then. That’s what message boards are for.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 8, 2017 17:30:11 GMT
"Would it be guaranteed that he'd fail here, just because he hasn't ripped up trees at Leicester?" That's the point. According to people on here, bayern in this case, a quick search on google is enough to know about Jese. The know-it-all amateur managers on here have made this forum unbearable. Ok Carto don't piss your pants Go and eat another pizza you fat bastard!
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Dec 8, 2017 17:31:37 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 8, 2017 17:31:37 GMT
Iheanacho boasts the eighth best minutes-per-goal ratio of any player to have made more than 10 Premier League appearances. He's done FA at Leicester. Past performance is not indicative of future results. Mark Stein, Mike Sheron were crap at their former clubs. Fuller's knees were knackered etc etc etc Wimmer is shit and a waste of £18m after a few games but it would be worth spending £25m on Iheanacho who's done nothing at leicester. The constant hypocrisy on here is tedious Is not being picked by your previous club for two years indicative of anything? That goes for 32 million quid of our recent expenditure
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 8, 2017 18:13:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 18:22:23 GMT
Definitely top 2 is a real possibility. We can beat anyone in this league, unfortunately there are a lot of other teams that can be anyone as well, I think with a few additions automatic is a real possibility! Why don't you make a positive contribution in terms of the debate, rather than criticising those that do, regardless of whether they are right or wrong?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 8, 2017 18:23:31 GMT
You can tell pejic is from stoke. The bloke is never happy unless he's moaning about something.
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Dec 8, 2017 20:31:14 GMT
Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 8, 2017 20:31:14 GMT
We shouldn't be loaning players. It's cheap. It's short term. It's just wank. Opinion masquerading as fact once more. And wrong. Using the loan option wisely is a perfectly sound option and we've done well out of it. Not to make use of it is just plain daft.
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Dec 8, 2017 21:09:16 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 8, 2017 21:09:16 GMT
Do we do any due diligence on players at all. Cartwright really is stealing a fucking living. The quick google I did when he was first linked suggested he hadn't recovered from his injuries and had attitude problems. It literally took a minute and that's what we've seen so far. That's what you've seen so far, I've also seen a very skilful and talented player (albeit not frequently enough)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2017 21:48:16 GMT
We shouldn't be loaning players. It's cheap. It's short term. It's just wank. Opinion masquerading as fact once more. And wrong. Using the loan option wisely is a perfectly sound option and we've done well out of it. Not to make use of it is just plain daft. No it's not. It perfectly highlights the cheap way we're run. They create more issues than they solve.
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