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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 8:08:08 GMT
If we’re going to start with Crouch and play 442, that is the only way I can see Saido working - alongside the big fella. I like Mame like we all do but can’t help thinking Berahino might be less wasteful given the chances that Crouch can provide from the second ball.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Dec 3, 2017 8:14:23 GMT
We’re treating him worse than the baggies.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 3, 2017 8:16:26 GMT
Diouf is more than just a finisher though. He works his bollocks off, he’s good in the air, he’s good defensively. Is Saido going to match that?
Diouf has goals in him, he should be in the team.
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Post by clarkeda on Dec 3, 2017 8:24:33 GMT
Diouf is more than just a finisher though. He works his bollocks off, he’s good in the air, he’s good defensively. Is Saido going to match that? Diouf has goals in him, he should be in the team. Drop choupo play diouf on the wing.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Dec 3, 2017 8:27:28 GMT
What about Crouch, Diouf & Saido upfront?
Not all games obviously.
Why not?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 3, 2017 8:27:44 GMT
Diouf is more than just a finisher though. He works his bollocks off, he’s good in the air, he’s good defensively. Is Saido going to match that? Diouf has goals in him, he should be in the team. Drop choupo play diouf on the wing. Even then Crouch is a better option as a lone striker.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 3, 2017 8:37:06 GMT
Crouchys great but I'd like to see a Mame / Saido front 2.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Dec 3, 2017 8:37:09 GMT
Diouf is more than just a finisher though. He works his bollocks off, he’s good in the air, he’s good defensively. Is Saido going to match that? Diouf has goals in him, he should be in the team. Diouf is a an automatic starter, along with Allen, Shaq. This team needs more like him - full stop.
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Post by superheroantonius on Dec 3, 2017 8:40:01 GMT
Saido is not quick enough to play with crouchy
Apparently the only player in the prem slower than crouchy is Charlie Adam !
Crouchy needs to play alongside someone super fast to push the opposition back ten yards
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 3, 2017 8:40:42 GMT
Crouchys great but I'd like to see a Mame / Saido front 2. They’re too similar, surely? Who holds the ball up? And surely if yesterday shows anything it’s that Shaq has to play centrally? Are we marginalising him just for the sake of getting Berahino in there?
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Post by superheroantonius on Dec 3, 2017 8:46:49 GMT
Diouf is more than just a finisher though. He works his bollocks off, he’s good in the air, he’s good defensively. Is Saido going to match that? Diouf has goals in him, he should be in the team. Diouf is a an automatic starter, along with Allen, Shaq. This team needs more like him - full stop. I totally agree I have seen diouf clear away a fair few opposition corners It's beyond my imagination to imagine Berra going in where it hurts to clear an opposition corner But of course , we need people like that , they win you games
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Dec 3, 2017 8:51:30 GMT
A good loan spell is what Saido needs. Send him to Orlando and let him get a few goals and some confidence.
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Post by superheroantonius on Dec 3, 2017 9:19:21 GMT
We’re treating him worse than the baggies. You have missed out Brentford .... He even got sent back early from a loan to Brentford . He went into meltdown when uwe rossler subbed him off . Had a full on toddler tantrum any two year old would have proud of . Then went straight onto social media slagging off uwe rossler ( his manager) big time and claiming he was an idiot who knew nothing about football etc It's possible uwe rossler , Tony pulis and mark hughes are all unfair on the lad It's also possible the lad has got issues. IMO If you watch the likes of diouf or Allen play ... They clearly understand the meaning of the phrase ...' less chat , more action' Berahino would rather talk a good game
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 3, 2017 9:28:33 GMT
Diouf is the better option.
We won the game because of him. His energy and harrying drives the rest of them on. He was my MOM yesterday. His work in the first goal sums him up.
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Post by walton corner on Dec 3, 2017 9:33:00 GMT
If we’re going to start with Crouch and play 442, that is the only way I can see Saido working - alongside the big fella. I like Mame like we all do but can’t help thinking Berahino might be less wasteful given the chances that Crouch can provide from the second ball. Your right but Saido has to wait to get that opportunity and when it comes take it ...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 9:35:09 GMT
Crouchys great but I'd like to see a Mame / Saido front 2. This. Diouf’s aerial ability isn’t far off Crouch’s when it comes to flick-on’s etc, and he has much greater pace. Hughes just too stubborn to try it.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 3, 2017 9:40:26 GMT
Crouch and Diouf both did ok yesterday. I agree it would be interesting to see Crouch and Bera playing together for a period. For me Choupo-Moting is the guy at risk.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 3, 2017 9:43:09 GMT
Crouchys great but I'd like to see a Mame / Saido front 2. This. Diouf’s aerial ability isn’t far off Crouch’s when it comes to flick-on’s etc, and he has much greater pace. Hughes just too stubborn to try it. Crouch’s contribution outweighs Saido’s though. What’s Saido done to be worth a place in the team?
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Post by alster on Dec 3, 2017 11:10:08 GMT
Crouch and Diouf both did ok yesterday. I agree it would be interesting to see Crouch and Bera playing together for a period. For me Choupo-Moting is the guy at risk. Seems to be a Hughes favorite for some reason. Doesn't look like he puts it all in to me.
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Post by alster on Dec 3, 2017 11:12:35 GMT
This. Diouf’s aerial ability isn’t far off Crouch’s when it comes to flick-on’s etc, and he has much greater pace. Hughes just too stubborn to try it. Crouch’s contribution outweighs Saido’s though. What’s Saido done to be worth a place in the team? Rather see Crouch held in reserve, don't think starting him is paying any dividends. Need more mobility from the off and more options than just twatting it long. Don't think its any coincidence that Crouch has started the last two games and we've started both games miserably.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 3, 2017 11:27:34 GMT
Crouch’s contribution outweighs Saido’s though. What’s Saido done to be worth a place in the team? Rather see Crouch held in reserve, don't think starting him is paying any dividends. Need more mobility from the off and more options than just twatting it long. Don't think its any coincidence that Crouch has started the last two games and we've started both games miserably. I’d rather see a more mobile target man but he’s the only one to make the ball stick at the moment. The concern is that Hughes will get an expensive loanee like Sturridge or Ighalo in who’s no more suited to the role than anyone we’ve currently got.
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Post by alster on Dec 3, 2017 11:37:00 GMT
Rather see Crouch held in reserve, don't think starting him is paying any dividends. Need more mobility from the off and more options than just twatting it long. Don't think its any coincidence that Crouch has started the last two games and we've started both games miserably. I’d rather see a more mobile target man but he’s the only one to make the ball stick at the moment. The concern is that Hughes will get an expensive loanee like Sturridge or Ighalo in who’s no more suited to the role than anyone we’ve currently got. You can't say things won't or don't work until you've tried them Crouch hasn't been massively effective in either game he's started and his selection very much dictates the way the team plays. As someone posted further up Diouf offers a similar aerial ability to Crouch but is much pacier, much more mobile, much more powerful.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 3, 2017 11:39:32 GMT
I’d rather see a more mobile target man but he’s the only one to make the ball stick at the moment. The concern is that Hughes will get an expensive loanee like Sturridge or Ighalo in who’s no more suited to the role than anyone we’ve currently got. You can't say things won't or don't work until you've tried them Crouch hasn't been massively effective in either game he's started and his selection very much dictates the way the team plays. As someone posted further up Diouf offers a similar aerial ability to Crouch but is much pacier, much more mobile, much more powerful. I don’t have a problem starting Diouf as a lone striker with Shaq behind him. I thought Crouch was excellent yesterday though, was very clever, linked up with Allen, Shaq and Diouf very well, protected the ball well and created the winner. I’m a fan of Diouf but his link play isn’t his strongest suit.
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Post by alster on Dec 3, 2017 11:45:41 GMT
You can't say things won't or don't work until you've tried them Crouch hasn't been massively effective in either game he's started and his selection very much dictates the way the team plays. As someone posted further up Diouf offers a similar aerial ability to Crouch but is much pacier, much more mobile, much more powerful. I don’t have a problem starting Diouf as a lone striker with Shaq behind him. I thought Crouch was excellent yesterday though, was very clever, linked up with Allen, Shaq and Diouf very well, protected the ball well and created the winner. I’m a fan of Diouf but his link play isn’t his strongest suit. You are correct it isn't but I think all those other factors outweigh that for a team that wants to come out of the blocks firing I just don't think Crouch helps in that respect at all. I'd want faster players with more energy on at the start and for that reason Crouch and Fletcher would not be starting. The pace and tempo at which our team want to play the game is too slow and from a time that has passed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 11:46:42 GMT
If we got someone like Slimani in January, I'd be more confident of playing one up front. As it stands, we don't have a viable lone forward option - in any system we could play.
Having said that, a Slimani type alongside Diouf would be devastating.
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 3, 2017 11:56:44 GMT
This. Diouf’s aerial ability isn’t far off Crouch’s when it comes to flick-on’s etc, and he has much greater pace. Hughes just too stubborn to try it. Crouch’s contribution outweighs Saido’s though. What’s Saido done to be worth a place in the team? Cost too much money that's what !
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Post by alster on Dec 3, 2017 12:12:41 GMT
Crouch’s contribution outweighs Saido’s though. What’s Saido done to be worth a place in the team? Cost too much money that's what ! [/quote. Yup far too big an investment for a player of his age
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 3, 2017 12:44:13 GMT
It would be madness to even consider dropping/moving Diouf to accommodate Berahino. Diouf should stay in his most effective position which is striker whilst he's scoring goals......it's obvious. To move him to the wing where he's less effective would be poor management, I think. Berahino should be given game time as a sub as things stand, then if he starts scoring ( you never know ) he can start to cement his place in the team.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 3, 2017 12:54:06 GMT
A goal is what Saido needs...
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 3, 2017 15:24:01 GMT
We’re treating him worse than the baggies. But how els3 can he be treated by LMH? He was bought in to do a job ie score goals and, for whatever reason, is not doing that after almost a year at the club. I don’t think the club are treating him worse than the baggies did at all. He was ostracised by them , TP and the fans to the point of driving him out of the club. He seems to be fit enough so nobody knows why he is a failure here but perhaps teaming up with Crouchie may be the last chance saloon for the lad. At least I hope so.
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