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Post by wuzza on Dec 3, 2017 7:36:03 GMT
I just don’t see it. He just isn’t influential enough on a game for me - pre or post injury.
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Post by clarkeda on Dec 3, 2017 8:41:35 GMT
Played our only bit of ‘football’ while he was on the pitch. Which he was also involved in.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 12:20:08 GMT
Although he's not very strong, I think Affa is on a par with Nzonzi when fit. Nah, not in the same stratosphere.
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Post by thegift on Dec 3, 2017 17:36:30 GMT
Although he's not very strong, I think Affa is on a par with Nzonzi when fit. Nah, not in the same stratosphere. More skillfull, more of a playmaker, more technically gifted.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 3, 2017 17:48:00 GMT
Nah, not in the same stratosphere. More skillfull, more of a playmaker, more technically gifted. Not as strong, quick or effective though.
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Post by thehoof on Dec 3, 2017 17:55:57 GMT
He is an extremely tidy crab.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 3, 2017 18:00:30 GMT
Nah, Cameron said before the season started the manager saw him in a central midfield position injuries / suspensions permitting. With Cameron those decisions have always been ad hoc regardless whether the manager was Hughes or Pulis. It has been to the detriment of a player who still doesn't hold a regular position in the team, even six seasons into his club career, but it has benefitted the team enourmously. I think it's been proved time again the team functions much better with him in central midfield. For me when fit he's one of the first names on the teamsheet.
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Post by thehoof on Dec 3, 2017 18:10:56 GMT
With Cameron those decisions have always been ad hoc regardless whether the manager was Hughes or Pulis. It has been to the detriment of a player who still doesn't hold a regular position in the team, even six seasons into his club career, but it has benefitted the team enourmously. I think it's been proved time again the team functions much better with him in central midfield. For me when fit he's one of the first names on the teamsheet. I would be interested to see those stats Hackett. If they back you up I am happy to accept it. For me he is slow, passes sideways and hasn't got a tackle in him. On the plus side he isn't scared to receive the ball and 7 years ago was an exceptional player- his injuries have taken away his speed and his creativity.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 18:24:01 GMT
With Cameron those decisions have always been ad hoc regardless whether the manager was Hughes or Pulis. It has been to the detriment of a player who still doesn't hold a regular position in the team, even six seasons into his club career, but it has benefitted the team enourmously. I think it's been proved time again the team functions much better with him in central midfield. For me when fit he's one of the first names on the teamsheet. I would agree but if there's a casualty in the defence he gets shoved there, and often does well.
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Post by jarhead on Dec 3, 2017 18:27:49 GMT
Brilliant tidy player and that cross-field on the angle ball to Shaqiri in stoppage time was superb.
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Post by luke45 on Dec 3, 2017 18:39:04 GMT
Thought Afellay did a pretty steady job when he came on, retained the ball and kept things simple which is exactly what we needed at the time.
I hope Hughes has seen that Fletcher will struggle to start three games in a week at this stage in his career now and rests him for one of the next three against Spurs, Burnley and West Ham which again all come in the space of a week. We saw in the opening month of the season the quality that Fletcher still possesses, it's just important that we don't let him become fatigued like he has in recent games. It's an area we certainly need to strengthen in when the window opens but for now I hope we see a bit more of Afellay and hopefully Cameron sooner rather than later as well.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 3, 2017 18:46:42 GMT
Very talented players but like Bojan, Joselu, and Muni not suited to the physical demands of the Prem.
I think he could be very useful in the last quarter of a game, but not my choice for the starting XI.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 3, 2017 18:51:53 GMT
He is an extremely tidy crab. Very harsh. I think he’s a very unshellfish player.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 4, 2017 18:29:14 GMT
Looked much sharper and fitter than in his earlier cameos and made a difference when he came on - we started to get hold of the ball and use it more effectively. Great to see him back - and I'd love to see how links up with the likes of Choupo, Shaqiri and especially Jesse.
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Post by reddipotter on Dec 4, 2017 18:41:19 GMT
On the ball, he's still pretty good and it's difficult to take the ball off him. In a midfield two, however, he needs to carry out defensive duties which he's not so good at.
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Post by leicspotter on Dec 4, 2017 18:50:18 GMT
We don't have the personnel for a "midfield two", so whether we play Fletcher or Affelay, we need a 3, with Cameron doing the covering work and supplying the 'energy' and athleticism and allow either Fletch or Alfy to supply the guile whilst Joe runs "box to box"
So we would need to be 4 3 2 1 / 4 3 3 and ditch the 5 at the back...or recruit players that CAN play in a 5 2 3 or whatever
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Post by silverdollar on Dec 5, 2017 19:37:08 GMT
Although he's not very strong, I think Affa is on a par with Nzonzi when fit. I don't want to be harsh on Affalay but NZonzi is leagues ahead of him in terms of class. It will take a very long time before we ever see another player of that outstanding quality playing for Stoke City again. A very sad day when he left!
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Post by riproaring on Dec 5, 2017 19:56:49 GMT
Would you play or even get to sign for the clubs he has played for if your clueless slow useless crab. Without injuries he wouldn’t have even been here.
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Post by chayzenbacon on Dec 5, 2017 20:31:01 GMT
Would you play or even get to sign for the clubs he has played for if your clueless slow useless crab. Without injuries he wouldn’t have even been here. Same goes for his 53 appearances for Holland. Must be shit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 5, 2017 23:06:04 GMT
Would you play or even get to sign for the clubs he has played for if your clueless slow useless crab. Without injuries he wouldn’t have even been here. He was a fast winger at those clubs. He's a completely different player now.
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Post by riproaring on Dec 6, 2017 1:04:36 GMT
Whatever, I suppose you saw all his junking and speedy appearances for Psv Barca etc
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Post by kustokie on Dec 6, 2017 3:34:57 GMT
Fletcher first name on the team sheet at Wembley . Joe, Shaq, Ryan, Diouf, Pieters, Butland, Zouma.. actually, quite a few are dead cert immediate picks Benji lad. What year are we talking about?
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Post by kustokie on Dec 6, 2017 3:37:40 GMT
A lot of unrealistic expectations for Affelay after a couple of cameos after recovering from torn ACL. He needs time, which, unfortunately, isn’t on his side.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 6, 2017 8:12:43 GMT
Whatever, I suppose you saw all his junking and speedy appearances for Psv Barca etc It's not whatever, that's what he was.
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Post by nonameface on Dec 6, 2017 20:06:58 GMT
Whatever, I suppose you saw all his junking and speedy appearances for Psv Barca etc It's not whatever, that's what he was. He is slower than he was, but this is a common misunderstanding. He's never been blessed with pace, just agility, dribbling, technique and balance, which he still demonstrates in the centre of the pitch.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 6, 2017 20:15:05 GMT
When we had our Stoke-a-lona phase he was a major part of the team . Hard to judge how he.is now from so little game time but he looked good on Saturday a d deserves a run in the side now . It has been a while since Fletcher had a good game .
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 6, 2017 21:53:36 GMT
It's not whatever, that's what he was. He is slower than he was, but this is a common misunderstanding. He's never been blessed with pace, just agility, dribbling, technique and balance, which he still demonstrates in the centre of the pitch. He had pace. He can't really beat a man so he doesn't show the dribbling skills I'd want to see. He's just painful to watch.
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Post by thehoof on Dec 6, 2017 22:29:12 GMT
When we had our Stoke-a-lona phase he was a major part of the team . Hard to judge how he.is now from so little game time but he looked good on Saturday a d deserves a run in the side now . It has been a while since Fletcher had a good game . Sorry Johnny, he’s never been a major part of the team as he’s never been fit long enough As for these people who are going on about what he was like in his glorious past - fine, but here what has he done? 3 league goals and 2 assists and people think he will make a difference?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 6, 2017 23:30:59 GMT
He is slower than he was, but this is a common misunderstanding. He's never been blessed with pace, just agility, dribbling, technique and balance, which he still demonstrates in the centre of the pitch. He had pace. He can't really beat a man so he doesn't show the dribbling skills I'd want to see. He's just painful to watch. He's a joy to watch - proper footballer. I suggest you: 1 Buy chicken. 2 Cut off head, 3 Observe. 4 Ponder 5 Finally recognise the value of purpose over pace Or, more likely, recommend Stoke put a bid in for the chicken in the January window on the basis it is younger than Afellay and has a relatively shorter injury list.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 6, 2017 23:36:45 GMT
He had pace. He can't really beat a man so he doesn't show the dribbling skills I'd want to see. He's just painful to watch. He's a joy to watch - proper footballer. I suggest you: 1 Buy chicken. 2 Cut off head, 3 Observe. 4 Ponder 5 Finally recognise the value of purpose over pace Or, more likely, recommend Stoke put a bid in for the chicken in the January window on the basis it is younger than Afellay and has a relatively shorter injury list. He slows us down passing it sideways 5 yards. He's a massively overrated player who like the rest of the midfield has one trait of many you need to make an actual central midfielder. Put them all together and we might have one fit for purpose PL player.
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