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Nov 29, 2017 0:55:14 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 29, 2017 0:55:14 GMT
Possibly but I'd try it without to begin with, I don't think Shaq slow tbh, not lightning but quick enough. We need some proper blistering pace, as much as we can muster. Shaq isn’t slow but he doesn’t have that. We can’t set up to counter attack without that proper pace somewhere. Agreed, but then that leaves the question what can we set up for, the squad is weak in most areas.
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4:4:2
Nov 29, 2017 2:54:02 GMT
Post by kustokie on Nov 29, 2017 2:54:02 GMT
Not exactly rocket science is it. Apparently it is if you're the manager picking the team! I suspect he's sold the players on "three at the back" BS and is too proud or stubborn to change the plan.
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4:4:2
Nov 29, 2017 2:55:32 GMT
Post by kustokie on Nov 29, 2017 2:55:32 GMT
We need some proper blistering pace, as much as we can muster. Shaq isn’t slow but he doesn’t have that. We can’t set up to counter attack without that proper pace somewhere. Agreed, but then that leaves the question what can we set up for, the squad is weak in most areas. he was quick enough against CP and Liverpool aren't that great at the back.
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4:4:2
Nov 29, 2017 22:22:31 GMT
Post by xchpotter on Nov 29, 2017 22:22:31 GMT
Although we conceded two more when we switched to this, thought we looked more solid at the back. Have to stick with it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 22:23:34 GMT
A back 4 definitely helps. Ideally 4231 returns with movement up front.
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Post by thisfootballclub on Nov 29, 2017 22:23:50 GMT
We should of gone ‘back to basics’ months ago.
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4:4:2
Nov 29, 2017 22:27:50 GMT
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Post by liamo on Nov 29, 2017 22:27:50 GMT
4-4-2
Choupo and Berahino up front, rest of the team picks itself
I wish we'd return to 4231 but a squad with Arnie, Bojan and Imbula couldn't get it to balance, this squad definitely wont
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4:4:2
Nov 29, 2017 22:29:16 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 29, 2017 22:29:16 GMT
We looked like a team when we went to it today.
3 at the back has to be binned.
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4:4:2
Nov 29, 2017 22:29:39 GMT
Post by Praetorian on Nov 29, 2017 22:29:39 GMT
Anyone fancy a 4-3-3?
Same backline as tonight when we switched. Shaqiri in the middle at the head of the 3 and the forward line being Choupo - Crouch - Diouf.
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4:4:2
Nov 29, 2017 22:30:37 GMT
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Post by lordb on Nov 29, 2017 22:30:37 GMT
Certainly worked well tonight even without decent fullbacks.
Main concern is Shaqiri in a 442 is less effective.
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4:4:2
Nov 29, 2017 22:41:21 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 22:41:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 22:44:03 GMT
Certainly worked well tonight even without decent fullbacks. Main concern is Shaqiri in a 442 is less effective. Fine. Sell him in January and bring in a bona fide right winger. It will solve two issues in one. We've already pandered to his weaknesses by building a wing back system to suit him and where has it got us? No fcuking where.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 29, 2017 22:44:19 GMT
Certainly worked well tonight even without decent fullbacks. Main concern is Shaqiri in a 442 is less effective. we certainly had them worried, we did exceptionally well only to lose by three clear goals whilst having no shots on goal all game Mark and his team.
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4:4:2
Nov 29, 2017 22:47:03 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Nov 29, 2017 22:47:03 GMT
Hughes seemed to confirm he'd be starting 4-4-2 on Saturday in his post-match interview with Nige
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4:4:2
Nov 29, 2017 22:48:45 GMT
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Post by Clem Fandango on Nov 29, 2017 22:48:45 GMT
I’d bench Choupo I thought he offered very little tonight.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 29, 2017 22:52:16 GMT
4-2-3-1 is miles better.
We looked better today once we switched and a lot less of a shambles but it was still predictable, painful, one paced stuff.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 29, 2017 22:53:39 GMT
Certainly worked well tonight even without decent fullbacks. Main concern is Shaqiri in a 442 is less effective. Fine. Sell him in January and bring in a bona fide right winger. It will solve two issues in one. We've already pandered to his weaknesses by building a wing back system to suit him and where has it got us? No fcuking where. Yes, why not load the gun and pull the trigger ourselves? We have nothing without him.
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4:4:2
Nov 29, 2017 22:54:28 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 29, 2017 22:54:28 GMT
I sat there tonight and I thought to myself what are we actually trying to do?
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Post by lordb on Nov 29, 2017 22:54:32 GMT
I’d bench Choupo I thought he offered very little tonight. When he's good he's very good but when he isn't he sticks out like a sore thumb
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 23:01:03 GMT
Fine. Sell him in January and bring in a bona fide right winger. It will solve two issues in one. We've already pandered to his weaknesses by building a wing back system to suit him and where has it got us? No fcuking where. Yes, why not load the gun and pull the trigger ourselves? We have nothing without him. He doesn't suit a 442 and he doesn't suit a 4231. Hughes has said he has come into his own this year with the wingback system, and solely because of that. The problem with that is that we don't have wingbacks and some or all of our centre halves aren't suited to it. What's the point of the system that allows Shaqiri to create the odd chance here and there if we are conceding an average of 2 a game? If we think 442 or 4231 suits the side then surely you pick the players that suit it overall, which surely involves making tough decisions for the good of the team and the club? Are we saying he can't be replaced for a player that suits the system better?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 29, 2017 23:03:44 GMT
Yes, why not load the gun and pull the trigger ourselves? We have nothing without him. He doesn't suit a 442 and he doesn't suit a 4231. Hughes has said he has come into his own this year with the wingback system, and solely because of that. The problem with that is that we don't have wingbacks and some or all of our centre halves aren't suited to it. What's the point of the system that allows Shaqiri to create the odd chance here and there if we are conceding an average of 2 a game? If we think 442 or 4231 suits the side then surely you pick the players that suit it overall, which surely involves making tough decisions for the good of the team and the club? Are we saying he can't be replaced for a player that suits the system better? I think he would suit a 4-2-3-1 playing as a number 10. Why not at least try that?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 23:06:06 GMT
He doesn't suit a 442 and he doesn't suit a 4231. Hughes has said he has come into his own this year with the wingback system, and solely because of that. The problem with that is that we don't have wingbacks and some or all of our centre halves aren't suited to it. What's the point of the system that allows Shaqiri to create the odd chance here and there if we are conceding an average of 2 a game? If we think 442 or 4231 suits the side then surely you pick the players that suit it overall, which surely involves making tough decisions for the good of the team and the club? Are we saying he can't be replaced for a player that suits the system better? I think he would suit a 4-2-3-1 playing as a number 10. Why not at least try that? We could try it. Has he ever played there consistently for his club or country and if so, how did he do?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 29, 2017 23:09:55 GMT
I think he would suit a 4-2-3-1 playing as a number 10. Why not at least try that? We could try it. Has he ever played there consistently for his club or country and if so, how did he do? Consistently for Switzerland yeah. He himself has said it’s his favoured position and around half his goals for his country have come from a central position.
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Post by stokiemarc on Nov 29, 2017 23:13:10 GMT
442 yes, Diouf up top No! And this run shows how much we miss Geoff Cameron.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 23:17:25 GMT
We could try it. Has he ever played there consistently for his club or country and if so, how did he do? Consistently for Switzerland yeah. He himself has said it’s his favoured position and around half his goals for his country have come from a central position. Really? The times I've seen him for Switzerland he's played wide right, and not played that well. I'll take your word for it. If he doesn't work as a 10 then what?
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4:4:2
Nov 29, 2017 23:19:02 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 29, 2017 23:19:02 GMT
4-4-2 isn't the way to go imo, Shaq needs to be in the middle.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 29, 2017 23:20:09 GMT
Consistently for Switzerland yeah. He himself has said it’s his favoured position and around half his goals for his country have come from a central position. Really? The times I've seen him for Switzerland he's played wide right, and not played that well. I'll take your word for it. If he doesn't work as a 10 then what? He’s their undisputed main man and created more chances than anyone in qualifying. Their manager often switches him mid-game from the wing to the centre and back again. If he doesn’t work as a 10 then we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it. You’d hope we’d have another option in terms of players or systems to look at by then.
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4:4:2
Nov 29, 2017 23:21:04 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Nov 29, 2017 23:21:04 GMT
We need a different midfield 2.
This is costing us this season undoubtedly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 23:27:02 GMT
Really? The times I've seen him for Switzerland he's played wide right, and not played that well. I'll take your word for it. If he doesn't work as a 10 then what? He’s their undisputed main man and created more chances than anyone in qualifying. Their manager often switches him mid-game from the wing to the centre and back again. If he doesn’t work as a 10 then we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it. You’d hope we’d have another option in terms of players or systems to look at by then. Personally I think the league is too quick for him to be effective long term during a game. I find him to be effective in bursts and I'm not sure we have the structure around him to carry that off, certainly not out wide. Sure, he's created goals and scored goals but at what cost to the overall team? The better test to your theory will be him in a 4 base system as the 3 base system doesn't suit Shawcross, Pieters, Indi, Wimmer and arguably Zouma. They all look lost and the pressure on the midfield two is crazy as a result. How Allen has held it together I don't know. The problem in shifting back to a 1 up front with 1 behind is who plays up front? It's like 2014 all over again, only with more broken parts than before.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 29, 2017 23:30:26 GMT
He’s their undisputed main man and created more chances than anyone in qualifying. Their manager often switches him mid-game from the wing to the centre and back again. If he doesn’t work as a 10 then we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it. You’d hope we’d have another option in terms of players or systems to look at by then. Personally I think the league is too quick for him to be effective long term during a game. I find him to be effective in bursts and I'm not sure we have the structure around him to carry that off, certainly not out wide. Sure, he's created goals and scored goals but at what cost to the overall team? The better test to your theory will be him in a 4 base system as the 3 base system doesn't suit Shawcross, Pieters, Indi, Wimmer and arguably Zouma. They all look lost and the pressure on the midfield two is crazy as a result. How Allen has held it together I don't know. The problem in shifting back to a 1 up front with 1 behind is who plays up front? It's like 2014 all over again, only with more broken parts than before. I could understand the ‘at what cost the team’ argument if he wasn’t carrying the team’s attacking threat squarely on his shoulders. Who else comes close to creating what he does? Take him out and who’s going to do anything? We have a problem with who plays up front whichever system we’re playing.
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