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Post by arnie3010 on Nov 29, 2017 23:52:44 GMT
Galtier or Karanka
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Post by geoff321 on Nov 29, 2017 23:55:28 GMT
You are correct if Hughes loses the fans at the stadium then he's in deep trouble but a couple of wins could change that in my view. Geoff, you are very good at this, but you don't genuinely believe that. Surely you know stoke fans. Every person I know is unanimous. A couple of wins will change nothing. If you think that you are deluding yourself. It is definitely over for Hughes whatever happens on Saturday. The fans are just not with him or his team. That was never more evident than tonight. It would be best to give a new manager a few weeks with the squad before the january window. Again you could well be right but I'm trying to imagine what Coates is thinking, my guess is he desperately wants to keep Hughes and see him turn it round rather than have to make a snap decision on a new manager. Of course Chairman of football clubs have been known to fold under pressure from fans.
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Post by professorplump on Nov 30, 2017 0:01:48 GMT
For those wanting to see Pulis back here, I think you are going to be disappointed. For one thing, it would be humiliating for Coates to have to go cap in hand to the man he has previously sacked. Also I don't think Pulis would want to come back. His legacy with Stoke is that he got us promoted, kept us up and got us to a cup final. He wouldn't want to risk spoiling that legacy by returning and possibly getting relegated. And I think even Pulis would be aware that there would be a large section of the fans who don't want him.
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Post by fentonian on Nov 30, 2017 0:04:03 GMT
People serious about getting O'Neil or Pulis in? I know things are bad, but that would be absolutely mental.
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Post by thevoid on Nov 30, 2017 0:04:30 GMT
When Peter Coates spoke the other night he must have thought a defeat to Liverpool was likely, therefore I think tonights result changes nothing and Hughes continues. I noticed something tonight watching on tv Geoff. I heard the same from all my mates who were in the ground.Even after Atkinson screwed us, the fans were apathetic. They have no belief in the manager and players. Hughes is finished Geoff, whatever you think, its over. I feel a bit sorry for Hughes, shawcross and wimmer cost him three points on saturday,joe allen cost him tonight, his players have let him down. But he hasn't lost them Bit once you lose the fans it is game over. Its gone on too long. It is undeniable. He is finished. Its only a matter of time. We should talk to bilic or koeman tomorrow. Bilic is just Hughes with a Balkan accent.
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Post by uttoxeterblue on Nov 30, 2017 0:05:59 GMT
When Peter Coates spoke the other night he must have thought a defeat to Liverpool was likely, therefore I think tonights result changes nothing and Hughes continues. I noticed something tonight watching on tv Geoff. I heard the same from all my mates who were in the ground.Even after Atkinson screwed us, the fans were apathetic. They have no belief in the manager and players. Hughes is finished Geoff, whatever you think, its over. I feel a bit sorry for Hughes, shawcross and wimmer cost him three points on saturday,joe allen cost him tonight, his players have let him down. But he hasn't lost them Bit once you lose the fans it is game over. Its gone on too long. It is undeniable. He is finished. Its only a matter of time. We should talk to bilic or koeman tomorrow. I'm an Everton fan so I might be a bit biased but stay away from koeman. He couldn't give a shit at Everton, was constantly on holiday or playing golf (when we signed him he went on two long holidays and just turned up at the start of pre season, he was even on holiday on transfer deadline day!). He has a massive fucking ego and everything is about him. Look at his twitter after a match, big fuck off photo of him and never talked about the club as "us" or "we" it was always just "Everton". He always got his game plan wrong and had to make subs at halftime to change the formation (sometimes even in the 1st half) seriously, go back and check. When he seen our fixture list and the club failed to replace likability he just downed tools and couldn't be arsed. Also if what I read earlier in the thread is right and Hughes is on 800k a year then I doubt you would get him, he was on £8 million a year at Everton. Bilic is a good shout but I fear he might be broken so it's a big risk. Everton couldn't even speak to silva or fonseca so they are no goes and I think dyche turned us down which is fair enough. Best bet is for Rodgers or the fat Spanish waiter, personally I would go for the FSW as he's brilliant with another managers team, it only falls a part when he has to build one of his own. Looking at the lower leagues I would probably go for someone like warbuton at forest as he's working wonders with an average team.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Nov 30, 2017 0:07:03 GMT
Not another welsh man. Never again.
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Post by uttoxeterblue on Nov 30, 2017 0:08:43 GMT
Lukaku*
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 30, 2017 0:09:10 GMT
I'm more and more convinced that Dyche would be ideal, but it appears we have missed the boat with him. Whoever comes in must be someone who is determined to address our chronic lack of pace. It killed us tonight.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Nov 30, 2017 0:10:21 GMT
I noticed something tonight watching on tv Geoff. I heard the same from all my mates who were in the ground.Even after Atkinson screwed us, the fans were apathetic. They have no belief in the manager and players. Hughes is finished Geoff, whatever you think, its over. I feel a bit sorry for Hughes, shawcross and wimmer cost him three points on saturday,joe allen cost him tonight, his players have let him down. But he hasn't lost them Bit once you lose the fans it is game over. Its gone on too long. It is undeniable. He is finished. Its only a matter of time. We should talk to bilic or koeman tomorrow. I'm an Everton fan so I might be a bit biased but stay away from koeman. He couldn't give a shit at Everton, was constantly on holiday or playing golf (when we signed him he went on two long holidays and just turned up at the start of pre season, he was even on holiday on transfer deadline day!). He has a massive fucking ego and everything is about him. Look at his twitter after a match, big fuck off photo of him and never talked about the club as "us" or "we" it was always just "Everton". He always got his game plan wrong and had to make subs at halftime to change the formation (sometimes even in the 1st half) seriously, go back and check. When he seen our fixture list and the club failed to replace likability he just downed tools and couldn't be arsed. Also if what I read earlier in the thread is right and Hughes is on 800k a year then I doubt you would get him, he was on £8 million a year at Everton. Bilic is a good shout but I fear he might be broken so it's a big risk. Everton couldn't even speak to silva or fonseca so they are no goes and I think dyche turned us down which is fair enough. Best bet is for Rodgers or the fat Spanish waiter, personally I would go for the FSW as he's brilliant with another managers team, it only falls a part when he has to build one of his own. Looking at the lower leagues I would probably go for someone like warbuton at forest as he's working wonders with an average team. I think bilic is worth a try. I have a gut feeling about him. I am all for looking at promoting a manager from the championship, they will be hungry for success. But not warburton. He was found out at rangers
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Post by Rose City Potter on Nov 30, 2017 0:14:06 GMT
I dont think that he would come but I would love Julian Nagelsmann. Young, motivated, plays beautiful flowing football and goals galore from all over. Sigh...
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Post by thevoid on Nov 30, 2017 0:17:09 GMT
It's got to the point where I'd take a punt on Potter, maybe with him working alongside someone with more experience of coaching in England as a 'mentor'. This is just death by a thousand cuts and it has to change.
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Post by jeycov on Nov 30, 2017 8:39:23 GMT
We need a “management team “ who can address our defensive issues alongside some clear tactics and overview Palace have appointed Stuart Pearce and this is a shrewd move imo
This type of approach points to O’Neill and Keane ??
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 8:41:22 GMT
We need a “management team “ who can address our defensive issues alongside some clear tactics and overview Palace have appointed Stuart Pearce and this is a shrewd move imo This type of approach points to O’Neill and Keane ?? I thought Pearce went to West Ham, who have conceded 7 goals in 3 games?
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Post by pottarius on Nov 30, 2017 8:44:21 GMT
We need a “management team “ who can address our defensive issues alongside some clear tactics and overview Palace have appointed Stuart Pearce and this is a shrewd move imo This type of approach points to O’Neill and Keane ?? I thought Pearce went to West Ham, who have conceded 7 goals in 3 games? Perhaps Palace are paying him to "work" (ahem) for Moyes! Its working a treat so far
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Post by jeycov on Nov 30, 2017 8:59:18 GMT
We need a “management team “ who can address our defensive issues alongside some clear tactics and overview Palace have appointed Stuart Pearce and this is a shrewd move imo This type of approach points to O’Neill and Keane ?? I thought Pearce went to West Ham, who have conceded 7 goals in 3 games? My mistake, he is at West Ham- my point in is we may benefit from a management team where 2 experienced staff can work together Pearce ( or similar) alongside Hughes would be an asset if he survives the pressure to sack him No one really stands out as a realistic target
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 9:00:42 GMT
I thought Pearce went to West Ham, who have conceded 7 goals in 3 games? My mistake, he is at West Ham- my point in is we may benefit from a management team where 2 experienced staff can work together We already have a management team of 3 that have worked together for over a decade.
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Post by jeycov on Nov 30, 2017 9:08:02 GMT
My mistake, he is at West Ham- my point in is we may benefit from a management team where 2 experienced staff can work together We already have a management team of 3 that have worked together for over a decade. I think that Hughes would benefit from having a different / additional person in his team, It won’t happen but given possible alternatives ( or lack of ) 2 complimentary leaders may be a good thing It’s just so frustrating, we need something to change
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Nov 30, 2017 9:11:37 GMT
Hopefully one we haven't heard of who will bring the fire back to the team , Dyche perfect but we won't get him
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 9:23:03 GMT
We already have a management team of 3 that have worked together for over a decade. I think that Hughes would benefit from having a different / additional person in his team, It won’t happen but given possible alternatives ( or lack of ) 2 complimentary leaders may be a good thing It’s just so frustrating, we need something to change We all feel the same.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Nov 30, 2017 9:31:20 GMT
At our best we are a team with Fight that's the character of the club , we can't compete so have to be a pain in the Arse. Macari got this. The best of Pulis got it this bloke never has . I'd say a modern day Macari type is what we need who will get the players super fit and relate to the fans .
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Post by poethebald on Nov 30, 2017 9:45:58 GMT
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Chris Wilder....Sheffield Utds current manager.Has been very successful where ever he has managed and worked his way steadily through the leagues. Just a thought.
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 30, 2017 9:48:32 GMT
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Chris Wilder....Sheffield Utds current manager.Has been very successful where ever he has managed and worked his way steadily through the leagues. Just a thought. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41756907Think the feeling is he wouldn't come - apparently he's a lifelong Sheff Utd fan and with a chance of Prem promotion, doubtful a relegation fight with us would hold much appeal?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 30, 2017 9:49:24 GMT
If Hughes goes, I want Neil Warnock.
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Post by jordan9915 on Nov 30, 2017 9:53:52 GMT
Manchini, pellagrini, koeman, rafa, Dyche. Let’s have a bit of ambition.
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Post by poethebald on Nov 30, 2017 9:55:04 GMT
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Chris Wilder....Sheffield Utds current manager.Has been very successful where ever he has managed and worked his way steadily through the leagues. Just a thought. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41756907Think the feeling is he wouldn't come - apparently he's a lifelong Sheff Utd fan and with a chance of Prem promotion, doubtful a relegation fight with us would hold much appeal? You maybe right, didn't realise it was his home town club.Would be a good fit for us though, I feel.
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Post by poethebald on Nov 30, 2017 9:57:54 GMT
If Hughes goes, I want Neil Warnock. If you want Neil Warnock you want your head looking😆
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 30, 2017 9:59:55 GMT
For those wanting to see Pulis back here, I think you are going to be disappointed. For one thing, it would be humiliating for Coates to have to go cap in hand to the man he has previously sacked. Also I don't think Pulis would want to come back. His legacy with Stoke is that he got us promoted, kept us up and got us to a cup final. He wouldn't want to risk spoiling that legacy by returning and possibly getting relegated. And I think even Pulis would be aware that there would be a large section of the fans who don't want him. Pulis has lost his mojo with the retirement of Dave Kemp , he was Tones peter Taylor
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 30, 2017 10:03:31 GMT
If Hughes goes, I want Neil Warnock. If you want Neil Warnock you want your head looking😆 I want Hughes to stay to be fair but if he goes, why not Warnock? People mention Rowett and Wilder from the Championship, but Warnock is outperforming them both, pretty comfortably as well and probably on a far smaller budget. The job he did at Sheffield United was superb and he did have them playing good football as well. The job he did at Rotherham was the stuff of miracles and the job he's doing at Cardiff equally so. If he came in and we did happen to get relegated, who better to get us straight back up?
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Post by poethebald on Nov 30, 2017 10:09:20 GMT
If you want Neil Warnock you want your head looking😆 I want Hughes to stay to be fair but if he goes, why not Warnock? People mention Rowett and Wilder from the Championship, but Warnock is outperforming them both, pretty comfortably as well and probably on a far smaller budget. The job he did at Sheffield United was superb and he did have them playing good football as well. The job he did at Rotherham was the stuff of miracles and the job he's doing at Cardiff equally so. If he came in and we did happen to get relegated, who better to get us straight back up?Agreed that Warnock is an excellent Championship level manager.He has failed woefully when managing in the Premier League.So given that is where we are aiming to stay it's not the best of choices in my opinion.However, everyone sees things differently.👍
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