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Post by superheroantonius on Nov 22, 2017 19:03:45 GMT
Skilfull player but i like most the fact that he is always trying to force it and make things happen
I do agree he is a good player but not a striker
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 22, 2017 19:31:34 GMT
Do you mean move zouma to CM or drop him from the team? The latter is a crazy idea btw That's exactly what I mean or the more Hughes friendly version is rwb so Diouf can play up front. If we played with a back 4, he wouldn't be one of the two CBs I'd want starting. Zouma as an all-action shield for the defence is tempting isn't it, especially with the pair of wet fart-arses we have currently occupying the role. Dunno if he'd have the discpline but I'd give it a go. I've always had a soft spot for Cameron at CM, maybe Zouma could do a similar (but better) job.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 22, 2017 19:33:56 GMT
On Choupo someone said the other day he had a touch of the Fullers about him... pretty big and strong but deceptively skillful and predatory when in with a sniff of a chance.
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 22, 2017 19:47:26 GMT
Excellent acquisition.......Hughes and the transfer team did very well. They seem very good under £5 million odd......pity they can't replicate that success over £10 mill.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2017 20:00:38 GMT
That's exactly what I mean or the more Hughes friendly version is rwb so Diouf can play up front. If we played with a back 4, he wouldn't be one of the two CBs I'd want starting. Zouma as an all-action shield for the defence is tempting isn't it, especially with the pair of wet fart-arses we have currently occupying the role. Dunno if he'd have the discpline but I'd give it a go. I've always had a soft spot for Cameron at CM, maybe Zouma could do a similar (but better) job. I think so. His game to me anyway looks more suited to that role than CB. I don't mind Geoff in midfield, if he could pass then we'd have one CM spot sorted.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Nov 22, 2017 20:13:12 GMT
The ball Sticks to his feet, very skillful. How many times was he surrounded by Brighton players on Monday night...and still came away with the ball.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 22, 2017 20:23:25 GMT
Excellent acquisition.......Hughes and the transfer team did very well. They seem very good under £5 million odd......pity they can't replicate that success over £10 mill. Exceptions to that too. Shaq, Allen, both sound buys, too soon to judge Wimmer. Berahino's outlay is yet to be justified, but he's now fit and is trying, it's not dead coin just yet. He was a bit bargain bin for a striker. Obv. Imbula a massive flop, no doubting that.
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 22, 2017 22:44:02 GMT
Excellent acquisition.......Hughes and the transfer team did very well. They seem very good under £5 million odd......pity they can't replicate that success over £10 mill. Exceptions to that too. Shaq, Allen, both sound buys, too soon to judge Wimmer. Berahino's outlay is yet to be justified, but he's now fit and is trying, it's not dead coin just yet. He was a bit bargain bin for a striker. Obv. Imbula a massive flop, no doubting that. I'd agree over Shaq but I'd put Wimmer in the overpriced basket ( he's getting better though ), Berahino is a massive uncertainty/disappointment given he hasn't done anything in nearly a year here ( in fact I can't think of another striker that fits into that category ) and, personally, I think we just bought Allen 'cause he was for sale. I remain extremely unconvinced by our scouting and subsequent transfer decisions when money is involved tbh.
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Post by greystokie on Nov 22, 2017 23:07:31 GMT
Took his goal well but it was Shaqiri that really made it. He's a skillful player and he puts a shift in but playing him as a striker doesn't get the best out of him
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Post by samba :) on Nov 22, 2017 23:16:33 GMT
Well be coming well be coming well be coming down the road when shaqiri makes the pass and chopou scores the goal well be coming down the road
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Post by samba :) on Nov 22, 2017 23:17:22 GMT
I mean shaqs gonna set chopou up a fair few times in the next couple of seasons
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 23:24:03 GMT
I still don't see a complete player yet, I hope that comes with time. But I guess you get what you pay for. I thought he was quite average up until his goal. And what a fucking goal. Beautifully composed where as other weeks he's taken 5-6 touches before lining up. This is the problem, players don't really get time. For me he's made a very positive start in a new league and he always leaves me feeling that there is a lot more to come which is exciting. Take someone like Son at Tottenham for example, he's gone from starting fairly well but being inconsistent to a genuine top Premier League player in his third season. Players need time to adjust, time to get used to their new surroundings. I sense with Choupo-Moting he'll be a real shrewd signing when we look back in a couple of seasons......
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 22, 2017 23:25:05 GMT
Exceptions to that too. Shaq, Allen, both sound buys, too soon to judge Wimmer. Berahino's outlay is yet to be justified, but he's now fit and is trying, it's not dead coin just yet. He was a bit bargain bin for a striker. Obv. Imbula a massive flop, no doubting that. I'd agree over Shaq but I'd put Wimmer in the overpriced basket ( he's getting better though ), Berahino is a massive uncertainty/disappointment given he hasn't done anything in nearly a year here ( in fact I can't think of another striker that fits into that category ) and, personally, I think we just bought Allen 'cause he was for sale. I remain extremely unconvinced by our scouting and subsequent transfer decisions when money is involved tbh. Money's involved in them all, whether free, loan or a purchase. Wages, sign ons etc. So that's just a daft statement. Failed with Imbula. Jury out with Wimmer, Berahino but with the majority of the other business it's been break even or better I reckon. Net spend etc a bit of a testament to that.
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 22, 2017 23:33:34 GMT
I'd agree over Shaq but I'd put Wimmer in the overpriced basket ( he's getting better though ), Berahino is a massive uncertainty/disappointment given he hasn't done anything in nearly a year here ( in fact I can't think of another striker that fits into that category ) and, personally, I think we just bought Allen 'cause he was for sale. I remain extremely unconvinced by our scouting and subsequent transfer decisions when money is involved tbh. Money's involved in them all, whether free, loan or a purchase. Wages, sign ons etc. So that's just a daft statement. Failed with Imbula. Jury out with Wimmer, Berahino but with the majority of the other business it's been break even or better I reckon. Net spend etc a bit of a testament to that. Don't start with the patronising comments CF, you know exactly what I mean and if you don't then there's only one daft person posting here. Jury out on Wimmer and more than out as things stand on Berahino is the point I'm making. Pretty sure Allen is as I said too......you know the more expensive signings. But hey, we are not going to agree.....you think Hughes has a plan....I think he's just adrift as things currently stand.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 22, 2017 23:45:07 GMT
Money's involved in them all, whether free, loan or a purchase. Wages, sign ons etc. So that's just a daft statement. Failed with Imbula. Jury out with Wimmer, Berahino but with the majority of the other business it's been break even or better I reckon. Net spend etc a bit of a testament to that. Don't start with the patronising comments CF, you know exactly what I mean and if you don't then there's only one daft person posting here. Jury out on Wimmer and more than out as things stand on Berahino is the point I'm making. Pretty sure Allen is as I said too......you know the more expensive signings. But hey, we are not going to agree.....you think Hughes has a plan....I think he's just adrift as things currently stand. Do one. You are patronozing Hughes and the Club with the 'don't trust them with money' stuff. Come back with something more considered if you want a discussion. Otherwise carry on with the vague cliche shite.
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 22, 2017 23:56:14 GMT
Don't start with the patronising comments CF, you know exactly what I mean and if you don't then there's only one daft person posting here. Jury out on Wimmer and more than out as things stand on Berahino is the point I'm making. Pretty sure Allen is as I said too......you know the more expensive signings. But hey, we are not going to agree.....you think Hughes has a plan....I think he's just adrift as things currently stand. Do one. You are patronozing Hughes and the Club with the 'don't trust them with money' stuff. Come back with something more considered if you want a discussion. Otherwise carry on with the vague cliche shite. Get over yourself.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 23, 2017 0:03:03 GMT
Do one. You are patronozing Hughes and the Club with the 'don't trust them with money' stuff. Come back with something more considered if you want a discussion. Otherwise carry on with the vague cliche shite. Get over yourself. I have. I don't think I know finances better than SCFC. That's all. But I know I understand it better than you.
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 23, 2017 0:04:41 GMT
I have. I don't think I know finances better than SCFC. That's all. But I know I understand it better than you. Hmmm more arrogant twaddle.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 23, 2017 0:20:04 GMT
I have. I don't think I know finances better than SCFC. That's all. But I know I understand it better than you. Hmmm more arrogant twaddle. Well. You started out by saying that they can't spend over £10 mil. When that was unpicked you said you wouldn't trust them with any money at all. And that's obvious nonsense, So then you called me patronising. I have nowhere left to go. Poor mate.
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 23, 2017 0:26:30 GMT
Incorrect analysis of what I've said. You start your response to my original comment on this thread by making a patronising comment, you then make an aggressive and unnecessarily rude response to my answer followed up by a condescending third response. Regardless of whether we agree or not your attitude is appalling quite frankly.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 23, 2017 0:42:10 GMT
Incorrect analysis of what I've said. You start your response to my original comment on this thread by making a patronising comment, you then make an aggressive and unnecessarily rude response to my answer followed up by a condescending third response. Regardless of whether we agree or not your attitude is appalling quite frankly. I stand by 'Daft'. Which was my first response.
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 23, 2017 0:55:56 GMT
Incorrect analysis of what I've said. You start your response to my original comment on this thread by making a patronising comment, you then make an aggressive and unnecessarily rude response to my answer followed up by a condescending third response. Regardless of whether we agree or not your attitude is appalling quite frankly. I stand by 'Daft'. Which was my first response. I used the word "money" to directly refer to our expensive acquisitions and that referred to my overall point, if that helps to clarify my intent. You may or may not think that "daft", I, however do not see that as salient or accurate.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 23, 2017 1:05:47 GMT
I stand by 'Daft'. Which was my first response. I used the word "money" to directly refer to our expensive acquisitions and that referred to my overall point, if that helps to clarify my intent. You may or may not think that "daft", I, however do not see that as a salient or accurate. I thought I'd countered your contentions with rational/factual stuff. You fluffed about and called me patronising and then arrogant, and then aggressive. None of which really hit the mark. I'm a bit flippant in the face of stuff like yours' tonight, that's true. Where were we? "Don't trust them with any money, at xmas?" Right. My point is that in my opinion you're judging our recent spending record too harshly if you think we should pull the plug on purchases over £10mill, or indeed any that cost money. Which is what you posted.
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 23, 2017 1:25:54 GMT
I used the word "money" to directly refer to our expensive acquisitions and that referred to my overall point, if that helps to clarify my intent. You may or may not think that "daft", I, however do not see that as a salient or accurate. I thought I'd countered your contentions with rational/factual stuff. You fluffed about and called me patronising and then arrogant, and then aggressive. None of which really hit the mark. I'm a bit flippant in the face of stuff like yours' tonight, that's true. Where were we? "Don't trust them with any money, at xmas?" Right. My point is that in my opinion you're judging our recent spending record too harshly if you think we should pull the plug on purchases over £10mill, or indeed any that cost money. Which is what you posted. I don't think we should pull the plug on purchases over £10 mill at all. I said our record when doing so was poor and I explained my reasoning, albeit briefly. I stick by that assessment. I think we should have spent more and gone for better than Berahino too, if you want my opinion...... I don't consider our transfer business to be well thought out, basically. Btw you may call it flippant, but I think 'do one' ( without a smile or something to put it into context ) when written is rudely dismissive or at the very least risks being seen it that context. That was poor communication unless you've been drinking or something similar.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 23, 2017 1:41:12 GMT
I thought I'd countered your contentions with rational/factual stuff. You fluffed about and called me patronising and then arrogant, and then aggressive. None of which really hit the mark. I'm a bit flippant in the face of stuff like yours' tonight, that's true. Where were we? "Don't trust them with any money, at xmas?" Right. My point is that in my opinion you're judging our recent spending record too harshly if you think we should pull the plug on purchases over £10mill, or indeed any that cost money. Which is what you posted. I don't think we should pull the plug on purchases over £10 mill at all. I said our record when doing so was poor and I explained my reasoning, albeit briefly. I stick by that assessment. I think we should have spent more and gone for better than Berahino too, if you want my opinion...... I don't consider our transfer business to be well thought out, basically. Btw you may call it flippant, but I think 'do one' ( without a smile or something to put it into context ) when written is rudely dismissive or at the very least risks being seen it that context. That was poor communication unless you've been drinking or something similar. Obviously I've been drinking. Wouldn't be on here otherwise. Calling me 'patronising' in this context was a poor first lunge from you. Re-read the discourse. I parried. I disagree with the concerns regarding our recruitment within the context of our 'project'. Self Sufficiency +Plus a few polishable prospects. A more profligate approach could have landed us with a big Bony or two. Obviously want better from Bera, other than that I think the squad and options {and adaptability of the players} are pretty good. And there was money for extras in summer, which I think will carry over til xmas. Very surprised if we aren't at the top of the chasing pack come the shake up. Happy to get behind that. Afellay, Shaq, Jese, Zouma.. etc etc at Stoke... recruitment ain't crocked by any measure.
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 23, 2017 1:49:44 GMT
Well I .haven't been drinking and I hope for better still too.....so I intend to say no more about that. I think the current manager should have this season to improve what is an obvious decline and the project is becoming less clear month by month for a while now..... That concerns me. The owners may think differently and its their call so it will be what it will be.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 23, 2017 3:55:17 GMT
I don't think we should pull the plug on purchases over £10 mill at all. I said our record when doing so was poor and I explained my reasoning, albeit briefly. I stick by that assessment. I think we should have spent more and gone for better than Berahino too, if you want my opinion...... I don't consider our transfer business to be well thought out, basically. Btw you may call it flippant, but I think 'do one' ( without a smile or something to put it into context ) when written is rudely dismissive or at the very least risks being seen it that context. That was poor communication unless you've been drinking or something similar. Obviously I've been drinking. Wouldn't be on here otherwise. Calling me 'patronising' in this context was a poor first lunge from you. Re-read the discourse. I parried. I disagree with the concerns regarding our recruitment within the context of our 'project'. Self Sufficiency +Plus a few polishable prospects. A more profligate approach could have landed us with a big Bony or two. Obviously want better from Bera, other than that I think the squad and options {and adaptability of the players} are pretty good. And there was money for extras in summer, which I think will carry over til xmas. Very surprised if we aren't at the top of the chasing pack come the shake up. Happy to get behind that. Afellay, Shaq, Jese, Zouma.. etc etc at Stoke... recruitment ain't crocked by any measure. Hey, it’s you again. I was wondering where you’ve been. I am dying to know: what is a “grating cod psychologist”? I have thinking about it all day (between seeing my aquatic patients that is)
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Post by kustokie on Nov 23, 2017 4:06:44 GMT
Choupo-Moting is a great addition not just for his playing ability but also for his attitude and personality. He works his butt off, never seems to complain and, given a chance can find the back of the net. He is very articulate and fluent in several languages, including English (Gianelli Imbula take note). His manager is his father who believes in old-fashioned ideas like loyalty and integrity. He insists that his son live up to his obligations and finish his contract before negotiating with his present club or moving on. That’s why we got him on a free transfer, which is usually reserved for players that nobody else wants. I’d rather have him playing on the wing and play Berahino plus Jese up front. But Hughes is stuck on this three at the back bollox. But that’s enough story.
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