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Post by kevkj on Nov 20, 2017 22:06:41 GMT
That game was there for the taking . I thought Brighton were poor, I think if we had gone at them with 4-4-2 we would have won that comfortably I don't think Hughes has got the balls any more and is bottling it. Whatever we aint going to win a lot of games like this.I predicted a draw tonight then a loss at Palace as normal. Lose to Liverpool and it could well be goodbye for me.
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Post by superheroantonius on Nov 20, 2017 22:17:04 GMT
Totally agree with the OP
Two points
1...the maths ,win 2 lose 2 equals 6 points . Draw 4 equals 4 points
2...the fans want to see us go for a win because they just do .
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Post by alster on Nov 20, 2017 22:21:53 GMT
That game was there for the taking . I thought Brighton were poor, I think if we had gone at them with 4-4-2 we would have won that comfortably I don't think Hughes has got the balls any more and is bottling it. Whatever we aint going to win a lot of games like this.I predicted a draw tonight then a loss at Palace as normal. Lose to Liverpool and it could well be goodbye for me. Its been like this for ages and its getting worse not better.
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Post by professorplump on Nov 20, 2017 23:57:23 GMT
So you are saying that with 4-4-2 we wouldn't have made any defensive errors? We are actually scoring more with the present formation. We just need to cut out the silly defensive errors. if Hughes is so timid, how come we have scored more than half of the division?
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Post by thegift on Nov 21, 2017 0:00:06 GMT
For the entire second half we sat deep in our own half whenever they had the ball.
3 times in the first half we put pressure on them, they lost the ball and we nearly come close to scoring all 3 times, through pressure, no rocket science.
What baffles me is Brighton are fucking dreadful. Scored 2 goals from our piss poor defending. They have 2 pacey wingers which diouf / ramadan should keep up with if tracking back and its panic over. Why on earth we had put 11 men behind the ball tonight, was for me, absolutely embarrassing.
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Post by TexasPotter on Nov 21, 2017 0:03:22 GMT
A fucking US amateur coach could tell you we don't have the side for three at the back but here we are, week after fucking week lads.
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Post by potterglen on Nov 21, 2017 4:13:46 GMT
So you are saying that with 4-4-2 we wouldn't have made any defensive errors? We are actually scoring more with the present formation. We just need to cut out the silly defensive errors. if Hughes is so timid, how come we have scored more than half of the division? It’s not just the defensive errors Prof, we give the ball away so often I question what they actually do in training!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 5:59:30 GMT
So you are saying that with 4-4-2 we wouldn't have made any defensive errors? We are actually scoring more with the present formation. We just need to cut out the silly defensive errors. if Hughes is so timid, how come we have scored more than half of the division? It’s not just the defensive errors Prof, we give the ball away so often I question what they actually do in training! There must have been 8-10 times last night, when we passed it, gave it away, when the pass wasn't even on. I had my head in my hands at one stage as I couldn't get my head around it.
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Post by hanibal7 on Nov 21, 2017 6:28:41 GMT
That game was there for the taking . I thought Brighton were poor, I think if we had gone at them with 4-4-2 we would have won that comfortably I don't think Hughes has got the balls any more and is bottling it. Whatever we aint going to win a lot of games like this.I predicted a draw tonight then a loss at Palace as normal. Lose to Liverpool and it could well be goodbye for me. U think this, u think that??? And u are a manager
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Post by hanibal7 on Nov 21, 2017 6:30:29 GMT
So you are saying that with 4-4-2 we wouldn't have made any defensive errors? We are actually scoring more with the present formation. We just need to cut out the silly defensive errors. if Hughes is so timid, how come we have scored more than half of the division? Don't talk sense, are u really a stoke fan
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Post by wembley1972 on Nov 21, 2017 6:32:37 GMT
A fucking US amateur coach could tell you we don't have the side for three at the back but here we are, week after fucking week lads. Bang on. Until we have proper wing backs, the kind that can track back and actually defend and get forward and actually cross a ball, we should stick to four at the back. Neither Diouf or Peters can do both. Lately Peters struggles to be a left back and can't cross a ball. Diouf does his best and I'm sure he would go in goal if he was asked to but he's a forward for Christ sake. Why Hughes insists on playing lads out of position is getting tiresome.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 21, 2017 10:47:35 GMT
Hughes has generally been positive as manager at Stoke and always set out to win games.
Last night he totally waved the white flag and settled for a draw on 60 minutes. Something isnt right, and he is clearly feeling the pressure
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Post by sportsman on Nov 21, 2017 10:55:18 GMT
Hughes has generally been positive as manager at Stoke and always set out to win games. Last night he totally waved the white flag and settled for a draw on 60 minutes. Something isnt right, and he is clearly feeling the pressure You last sentence is probably correct and why. If he wasn't under pressure every time we even lose a throw in, he would have probably gambled a bit more for the win. If he had last night and lost it 3-2 to a late goal, all the wazzacks on here would be saying 'you daft bugger, a point away from home is a good one, why didn't you protect what we had while trying to pick of a winner ourselves which is what we did'.
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Post by Gods on Nov 21, 2017 11:00:00 GMT
'God Hughes', good to see you affording the manager the proper respect
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 21, 2017 12:03:40 GMT
Hughes has generally been positive as manager at Stoke and always set out to win games. Last night he totally waved the white flag and settled for a draw on 60 minutes. Something isnt right, and he is clearly feeling the pressure You last sentence is probably correct and why. If he wasn't under pressure every time we even lose a throw in, he would have probably gambled a bit more for the win. If he had last night and lost it 3-2 to a late goal, all the wazzacks on here would be saying 'you daft bugger, a point away from home is a good one, why didn't you protect what we had while trying to pick of a winner ourselves which is what we did'. For sure going for it might have backfired and ended up a defeat. Many managers would have done the same in that situation (TP is one for sure). But for Hughes it looks a change in mindset. He has become a lot more pragmatic in grinding out points
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Post by mrred on Nov 21, 2017 12:06:23 GMT
Getting as spineless as Pulis was. Won't be long until he's defending 0-0's or putting 10 in defense if someone from the opposition gets sent off.l
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Post by OldStokie on Nov 21, 2017 12:31:38 GMT
5 points and 5 goals from the last three games (two away from home) would suggest he is not timid.
Somebody is making stuff up to suit an agenda.
OS.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Nov 21, 2017 12:34:46 GMT
Wasn't drawn games his problem at Citeh?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 21, 2017 12:37:15 GMT
5 points and 5 goals from the last three games (two away from home) would suggest he is not timid. Somebody is making stuff up to suit an agenda. OS. What on theOatcake? Shirley not😳
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2017 12:49:11 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2017 12:50:21 GMT
5 points and 5 goals from the last three games (two away from home) would suggest he is not timid. Somebody is making stuff up to suit an agenda. OS. 5 points from games vs Leicester, Watford, Brighton and Bournemouth is a poor return. 6 should have been the minimum and that's being kind.
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Post by OldStokie on Nov 21, 2017 12:51:19 GMT
Wasn't drawn games his problem at Citeh? No Idea Mr D. I've never been enamoured by the bloke and haven't really followed his managerial career that much. I've only really liked two managers since Waddo: Lou and Bossie. OS.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 21, 2017 12:59:26 GMT
Wasn't drawn games his problem at Citeh? No Idea Mr D. I've never been enamoured by the bloke and haven't really followed his managerial career that much. I've only really liked two managers since Waddo: Lou and Bossie. OS. In the interests of balance in accuracy can I take this opportunity to point out that Boskamp was in fact a twat.
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Post by Jug Bank Stokie on Nov 21, 2017 13:03:35 GMT
Hughes has generally been positive as manager at Stoke and always set out to win games. Last night he totally waved the white flag and settled for a draw on 60 minutes. Something isnt right, and he is clearly feeling the pressure You last sentence is probably correct and why. If he wasn't under pressure every time we even lose a throw in, he would have probably gambled a bit more for the win. If he had last night and lost it 3-2 to a late goal, all the wazzacks on here would be saying 'you daft bugger, a point away from home is a good one, why didn't you protect what we had while trying to pick of a winner ourselves which is what we did'. This is absolutely spot on. If we'd gone for the win last night, I have no doubt that we would have conceded and lost 3-2. Hughes cannot win - if we'd tried to win but lost the game people would be wanting him sacked - we got a point and still people are moaning.
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Post by alster on Nov 21, 2017 13:05:08 GMT
5 points and 5 goals from the last three games (two away from home) would suggest he is not timid. Somebody is making stuff up to suit an agenda. OS. If you're watching the games and don't think he's being timid I don't suppose you ever will, one of our forward 3 is playing left fucking wingback for gods sake.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2017 13:06:10 GMT
You last sentence is probably correct and why. If he wasn't under pressure every time we even lose a throw in, he would have probably gambled a bit more for the win. If he had last night and lost it 3-2 to a late goal, all the wazzacks on here would be saying 'you daft bugger, a point away from home is a good one, why didn't you protect what we had while trying to pick of a winner ourselves which is what we did'. This is absolutely spot on. If we'd gone for the win last night, I have no doubt that we would have conceded and lost 3-2. Hughes cannot win - if we'd tried to win but lost the game people would be wanting him sacked - we got a point and still people are moaning. No he can't win, that's the fucking problem!
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Post by thevoid on Nov 21, 2017 13:10:46 GMT
No Idea Mr D. I've never been enamoured by the bloke and haven't really followed his managerial career that much. I've only really liked two managers since Waddo: Lou and Bossie. OS. In the interests of balance in accuracy can I take this opportunity to point out that Boskamp was in fact a twat. I bet he's never stuck the nut on his main striker or tried to swindle any of his employers though. That shit kind of knocks calling someone 'a shit guy' into a cocked hat 😎
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 21, 2017 13:14:22 GMT
In the interests of balance in accuracy can I take this opportunity to point out that Boskamp was in fact a twat. I bet he's never stuck the nut on his main striker or tried to swindle any of his employers though. That shit kind of knocks calling someone 'a shit guy' into a cocked hat 😎 He tried to get his mate of years the sack and put his own fat gutted feelings before the club on the basis of a misunderstanding. He was a fucking great big chip eating baby, whatever the Dender Benders tell you!
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Nov 21, 2017 13:15:52 GMT
A fucking US amateur coach could tell you we don't have the side for three at the back but here we are, week after fucking week lads. I was thinking that last night , their left winger kept getting in way too easy Saturday we have Townsend and Zaha then on Wednesday Mane and Salah All of these could cause a lot of trouble for us
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Post by thevoid on Nov 21, 2017 13:17:05 GMT
That episode of One Foot in the Grave when Angus Deayton's character looks in the mirror and sees his face change into Victor's (he's more like the man he hates than he'll admit)... I wonder if MH's seen TP when he's had a shave lately?
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