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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 8, 2017 20:54:13 GMT
Was this stuff planned or just a quirk of fate?
Friday 10th - England v Germany (Football) Saturday 11th - England v Argentina (Rugby) Sunday 12th - Remembrance Sunday.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 23:46:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 12:38:46 GMT
The ball used was carried onto the pitch in a glass case for the minutes silence on Saturday.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 12, 2017 17:23:51 GMT
Remembrance day has become more and more significant for me as I have got older.. as Christmas has got less so. For me " bonfire night" has disappeared in terms of meaning.
How do others feel about these annual " remembrance" events?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 12, 2017 17:35:11 GMT
Remembrance day has become more and more significant for me as I have got older.. as Christmas has got less so. For me " bonfire night" has disappeared in terms of meaning. How do others feel about these annual " remembrance" events? Can only speak for myself but Bonfire night & Christmas have fuck all to do with their original meaning. Bonfire night is just an excuse to dick about with fireworks, and Christmas is just a family get together... Although we've always been a close family anyroad, so really it's just an excuse to wear a paper hat all day.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 12, 2017 17:51:40 GMT
Remembrance day has become more and more significant for me as I have got older.. as Christmas has got less so. For me " bonfire night" has disappeared in terms of meaning. How do others feel about these annual " remembrance" events? Can only speak for myself but Bonfire night & Christmas have fuck all to do with their original meaning. Bonfire night is just an excuse to dick about with fireworks, and Christmas is just a family get together... Although we've always been a close family anyroad, so really it's just an excuse to wear a paper hat all day. I agree DC, For me perhaos it's just an age thing ( nothing wrong with that(. When I / we were young Christmas/ bonfire night were important AND SOME of the original( or current historical if we want to be pedantic) meaning came through. Remembrance day was understandably solemn . Nowadays hearing the stories of the individual sacrifices seems more meaningful.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 12, 2017 18:14:42 GMT
I agree DC, For me perhaos it's just an age thing ( nothing wrong with that(. When I / we were young Christmas/ bonfire night were important AND SOME of the original( or current historical if we want to be pedantic) meaning came through. Remembrance day was understandably solemn . Nowadays hearing the stories of the individual sacrifices seems more meaningful. I think with Remembrance day it depends on your age. Not exactly sure how to word this so bear with me if I ramble... There are few survivors of the two world wars left, and all we ever really heard was stories from relatives & such like about what it was like. When, say, your grandad is telling you a story it's hard to imagine him as some spritly young 20 year old going off to war, you just know him as that wrinkly old fella who likes to sit in his favourite chair with his slippers on. As you get older & you've got kids (or grandkids depending on age) of your own & you hear these stories being told, you can't help but look at them & think "it was you, it was someone your age, someone with their whole life infront of them going off to fight in those trenches". It puts a completely different slant on it all... Atleast it does for me anyroad. I hate when people make it political, all that shit about "wearing the poppy glorifies war" and all that bollocks. I hate war, who in their right mind would enjoy war? Our so-called intervention in the Middle East these past few decades is something I've always been against, but it doesn't mean you can't feel something for the poor bastards who have to fight there. It was only this morning I was reading this. They're younger than me, whole lives ahead of them. It's people like them I 'remember' on Remembrance Sunday.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 12, 2017 18:31:26 GMT
Lots of people of all ages at our local service today. Loads I know are not even from a military background.
Great to see.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Nov 12, 2017 18:37:12 GMT
Lots of people of all ages at our local service today. Loads I know are not even from a military background. Great to see. Same here. Definitely more people than last year across all age groups.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 20:04:29 GMT
My old man was born in 1933 and he will tell you a lot of the men around here would have loved to go to war but were in vital industries such as the Pits. I know my ex girlfriends mum was a land army girl she told me lots of her time during the war of how she did many jobs that were regarded as mens work. I have a Great Grandfather who is buried in Becoy and an Uncle who was at Dunkirk and D-Day another Uncle fought in Burma, the wife's Uncle died of TB while on active service and her Great Grandad died in Mesopotamia a country that doesn't even exist anymore.
So it seems to me we should remember the hardship and suffering of everyone who lived during times of war as none of them had it easy and we should be very grateful to them all for making a peace that has lasted for so long.
"One day President Roosevelt told me that he was asking publicly for suggestions about what the war should be called." "I said at once 'The Unnecessary War" Winston Churchill.
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Post by auntiegeorge on Nov 12, 2017 21:49:40 GMT
Very interesting reading people's thoughts on this. I totally agree that we should not make Remembrance Day political. The do-gooders are superimposing modern day social attitudes on events that took place over seventy years ago when the world was a totally different place. It's highly insensitive and disrespectful.
Regarding Bonfire Night, are kids at school even taught any more about the Gunpowder Plot? Do they know that the cellars under the Houses of Parliament are still searched the day before each State Opening of Parliament? You never know, John McDonell may be lurking under there with half a dozen fireworks in one hand and a box of matches in the other.
For a lot of people Christmas has lost its true meaning. Many forgot it a long time ago if they ever knew at all. Encouraged by global corporate empires it's an excuse (willingly entered into) for them to buy material goods they never needed without feeling guilty about it.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 12, 2017 21:58:03 GMT
My old man was born in 1933 and he will tell you a lot of the men around here would have loved to go to war but were in vital industries such as the Pits. I know my ex girlfriends mum was a land army girl she told me lots of her time during the war of how she did many jobs that were regarded as mens work. I have a Great Grandfather who is buried in Becoy and an Uncle who was at Dunkirk and D-Day another Uncle fought in Burma, the wife's Uncle died of TB while on active service and her Great Grandad died in Mesopotamia a country that doesn't even exist anymore. So it seems to me we should remember the hardship and suffering of everyone who lived during times of war as none of them had it easy and we should be very grateful to them all for making a peace that has lasted for so long. "One day President Roosevelt told me that he was asking publicly for suggestions about what the war should be called." "I said at once 'The Unnecessary War" Winston Churchill. I lost my grandfather in Tunisia in WWII to a Nazi stuka dive bomber, he did not have to volunteer to sign up at 40 years of age as he was a farmer with seven children to provide for, it sickens me when the left wing wankers on here label people Fascists and Nazis, they have no idea what they are taking about, it is they who are the modern day Fascists !, the pinko cowards would run a mile rather than lay down their lives for their country. Shove your white poppies up your pinko arseholes and respect people who fought and died so you can live in a democratic country.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 12, 2017 22:13:34 GMT
Very interesting reading people's thoughts on this. I totally agree that we should not make Remembrance Day political. The do-gooders are superimposing modern day social attitudes on events that took place over seventy years ago when the world was a totally different place. It's highly insensitive and disrespectful. Regarding Bonfire Night, are kids at school even taught any more about the Gunpowder Plot? Do they know that the cellars under the Houses of Parliament are still searched the day before each State Opening of Parliament? You never know, John McDonell may be lurking under there with half a dozen fireworks in one hand and a box of matches in the other. For a lot of people Christmas has lost its true meaning. Many forgot it a long time ago if they ever knew at all. Encouraged by global corporate empires it's an excuse (willingly entered into) for them to buy material goods they never needed without feeling guilty about it. He doesn't want to Politicise things then mentions John McDonnel! 😀
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 0:32:56 GMT
I suppose that I am like a lot on here,that actually didn't lose many family people due to the fact of coal mining being a "protected" occupation.
My great uncle Jack did lose his life in Tunisia.
My grandfather Reuben did serve through the first war as a "Tunneler". If anyone wants to understand what a "hero" is - just research the work that the "Tunnelers" had to do.
Has anyone ever noticed that Bomber Command get very little mention in all of this "Remembrance"? There has recently been a memorial built in London for their "memory". No medals ever awarded to these heroes.
The individuals that actually passed through the the training to become "flight crew" had actually almost committed suicide. The stats show that flight crew really had very little chance of surviving.
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 13, 2017 2:18:34 GMT
Wore my poppy with pride this weekend and was surprised that none of the yanks here knew about it. Granddad was BEF rearguard at Bray Dunes during the Dunkirk evacuation. He got saved right at the end but he fully expected to be left behind and he just went and did his duty. He hated war and so many of his friends gave everything to buy us decades of peace in Europe. What a hero.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 13, 2017 13:05:02 GMT
We are getting to the stage where there are no soldiers left from WW1 and the numbers from WW2 diminish year on year.
I hope that time doesn’t match on and forget their memories. There is a lot of wrong in the world but these brave people ensured that it is not an even worse place
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Post by manmarking on Nov 13, 2017 14:57:36 GMT
My old man was born in 1933 and he will tell you a lot of the men around here would have loved to go to war but were in vital industries such as the Pits. I know my ex girlfriends mum was a land army girl she told me lots of her time during the war of how she did many jobs that were regarded as mens work. I have a Great Grandfather who is buried in Becoy and an Uncle who was at Dunkirk and D-Day another Uncle fought in Burma, the wife's Uncle died of TB while on active service and her Great Grandad died in Mesopotamia a country that doesn't even exist anymore. So it seems to me we should remember the hardship and suffering of everyone who lived during times of war as none of them had it easy and we should be very grateful to them all for making a peace that has lasted for so long. "One day President Roosevelt told me that he was asking publicly for suggestions about what the war should be called." "I said at once 'The Unnecessary War" Winston Churchill. I lost my grandfather in Tunisia in WWII to a Nazi stuka dive bomber, he did not have to volunteer to sign up at 40 years of age as he was a farmer with seven children to provide for, it sickens me when the left wing wankers on here label people Fascists and Nazis, they have no idea what they are taking about, it is they who are the modern day Fascists !, the pinko cowards would run a mile rather than lay down their lives for their country. Shove your white poppies up your pinko arseholes and respect people who fought and died so you can live in a democratic country. Wow. Wow wow wow wow. Just wow. In this latest post from the Shoreditch-based satirical collective Post Truth - the same team of acid-tongued online anarchists that brought us "mumf" and "stokeharry" - we are treated to what can only be described as a tour de force. A veritable classic of the oeuvre Untitled #563: Poppy Diatribe of a Racist is the new culmination of the Grim Up North series of posts. In it, we're taken to the dark heart of post-truth (and, for that matter, of Post Truth the collective ). The team have clearly been taking time away from the comfortable artisan bakeries and pop-up beard trimming salons of the East End because this is Stone Cold. It's Hard. It's Biting. In what can only be described as a masterclass of lyrical economy, the old warhorse "carps" is in full lament. He's angry. In fact he's fucking raging. But about what? What indeed. Well, this one really puts the "W" in "WTF", folks! In relatively few words, the collective manage to explore an almost unfeasible amount of ground What is democracy? How can you claim to stand for it whilst also being a monumental racist - right down to dictating the colour of poppy people should "choose" to wear? What is the logical apotheosis of the age-old " my dad is stronger than your dad" banter of the playground? When is left right and the right left? Who the fuck even are we? Why are we here? And is that piss on my shoes?! Only one thing is for certain: no one else posts with this level of rage. And for that, we should be both thankful and yet a bit disappointed. Because is it not passion that makes us more human ? In short, a top post. A modern classic. Thought provoking, hard hitting, big flavoured and full-bodied The collective can rest - for now - assured in its position. Which is to say, at the very forefront of online message board political and cultural satire. But their restless nature will no doubt get the better of them - ,sooner rather than later. And for that? Be thankful, brothers and sisters
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