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Post by woodstein on Nov 7, 2017 18:43:43 GMT
Serious subject and I'm not trying to defend anyone but are some of these historical claims going too far now that the Welsh Labour politician has committed suicide?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 7, 2017 19:20:07 GMT
If people have been committing sexual assaults*, no matter how long ago, then they should be brought to justice. Too many people in positions of power have been getting away with this shit for too long.
*Genuine cases of course.
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 7, 2017 19:28:29 GMT
you need to ask yourself these questions
If you were accused could you?
Explain with witnesses where you were last night?
Explain with witnesses where you were last week?
Explain with witnesses where you were last month?
Explain with witnesses where you were last year?
Explain with witnesses where you were last 5 years ago?
Explain with witnesses where you were last 10 years ago or more?
Can you account for every second of every day with witnesses!!
If you answer no to any of these questions anyone can make an accusation and its your word against there's, remember your character counts for nothing as they say there is no smoke without fire. Even if it was consensual at the time it can be said to not be now. can you prove your innocence !! have you upset someone who wants vengeance?
Amd even if your cleared people will look at you differently and not trust you! you are likely to suffer depression and a loss of job !
How would you cope!!
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 7, 2017 19:30:15 GMT
You've suddenly changed your tune 'cos it's a Labour MP rather than a Tory.
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 7, 2017 19:38:13 GMT
You've suddenly changed your tune 'cos it's a Labour MP rather than a Tory. Look these comments were not meant to be political my actual view on any of this is there should be a statute time within which accusations can be brought up on the conservative point the issue is too fold one they have admitted it, it was known to the party and yet still they were given ministerial posts and this shows a distinct lack of judgment on her part and a lack of leadership |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 7, 2017 19:41:54 GMT
Wouldn't you prefer scumbags to be rooted out whether they're red or blue, left or right, young or old?
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 7, 2017 19:46:30 GMT
Wouldn't you prefer scumbags to be rooted out whether they're red or blue, left or right, young or old? `Yes but it should be done by police not vigilantes |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 7, 2017 20:03:37 GMT
`Yes but it should be done by police not vigilantes Of course. From what I can gather (And I'll admit it's not a story I've followed all that much) This fella has been accused, said he'll clear his name, but then committed suicide instead. It's horrible how we deal with things where a woman can make a claim like this & the mans name is instantly put all over the press (And I'm talking Labour/Tory/Hollywood/footballers/Joe Bloggs) The whole thing needs an overhaul, and the man should be granted anonymity just like the woman... Obviously if the woman can prove the mans guilt then by all means 'expose' him, but equally if the woman can't prove the mans guilt then the woman should be exposed for being a lying cow & get the same sentence the man would have got if he'd been found guilty. |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 7, 2017 20:04:47 GMT
It’s mostly sexual harassment which is a bit different to assaults
If an assault took place go to the police and report a crime. And indefensible
I think “some not all” of the harassment issues a bit OTT. what is not acceptable today was pretty much common place everywhere 10-20 years ago.
Speak to some of the people who worked in the pot banks will tell you the women were just as bad or worse than the men.
It seems if you wolf whistled some bird 20 years ago you are now up for investigation.
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 7, 2017 20:55:02 GMT
`Yes but it should be done by police not vigilantes Of course. From what I can gather (And I'll admit it's not a story I've followed all that much) This fella has been accused, said he'll clear his name, but then committed suicide instead. It's horrible how we deal with things where a woman can make a claim like this & the mans name is instantly put all over the press (And I'm talking Labour/Tory/Hollywood/footballers/Joe Bloggs) The whole thing needs an overhaul, and the man should be granted anonymity just like the woman... Obviously if the woman can prove the mans guilt then by all means 'expose' him, but equally if the woman can't prove the mans guilt then the woman should be exposed for being a lying cow & get the same sentence the man would have got if he'd been found guilty. I agree with the first part however if there is the threat of prosecution beyond what is already there for perjury then a lot of crime would go un reported and perpetrators would get away with it. I honestly think this type of the law needs looking at again and a new system put in place and now a days because of reporting and knowledge crimes where evidence becomes one word against another without and witnesses or evidence should have time limitations. |
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 7, 2017 20:57:30 GMT
It’s mostly sexual harassment which is a bit different to assaults If an assault took place go to the police and report a crime. And indefensible I think “some not all” of the harassment issues a bit OTT. what is not acceptable today was pretty much common place everywhere 10-20 years ago. Speak to some of the people who worked in the pot banks will tell you the women were just as bad or worse than the men. It seems if you wolf whistled some bird 20 years ago you are now up for investigation. I'm not sure if you know but a kiss or touching someone's arm etc. can be classed as an assault in the eyes of the law abh I went for a job interview as a 16 year old in an accountants in Crewe and the sexual comments from the women (older) in the office were appalling (it was an all women office ) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 20:58:43 GMT
When I worked in Sales, in a office about 10 years in a Hotel, near Watford, there were 14 people employed.. 11 girls, aged between 22 & 28 years of Age, the Female Manager and me, the Only Guy..aged 8 years older..
I got on well with all of them to the point, I was referred too as their works husband and we all went out for drinks..etc
The things that I heard from the Girls that I worked with would make anyone Blush..I was just part of the team..but wow these ladies would talk about all sorts, and when they came to me, they would always put their arm around me and give me a Hug...I was like a Office Husband to them..to be fair I loved it..and I get on very well with all of them now, and I have attended their Weddings too.
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Post by woodstein on Nov 7, 2017 23:04:18 GMT
When I worked in Sales, in a office about 10 years in a Hotel, near Watford, there were 14 people employed.. 11 girls, aged between 22 & 28 years of Age, the Female Manager and me, the Only Guy..aged 8 years older.. I got on well with all of them to the point, I was referred too as their works husband and we all went out for drinks..etc The things that I heard from the Girls that I worked with would make anyone Blush..I was just part of the team..but wow these ladies would talk about all sorts, and when they came to me, they would always put their arm around me and give me a Hug...I was like a Office Husband to them..to be fair I loved it..and I get on very well with all of them now, and I have attended their Weddings too. Report them to the police then!! |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 8, 2017 7:34:59 GMT
You've suddenly changed your tune 'cos it's a Labour MP rather than a Tory. Well spotted. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 8, 2017 7:43:10 GMT
It’s mostly sexual harassment which is a bit different to assaults If an assault took place go to the police and report a crime. And indefensible I think “some not all” of the harassment issues a bit OTT. what is not acceptable today was pretty much common place everywhere 10-20 years ago. Speak to some of the people who worked in the pot banks will tell you the women were just as bad or worse than the men. It seems if you wolf whistled some bird 20 years ago you are now up for investigation. Care and Support work can be problematic. I have been virtually stalked by a co worker, who understandably fancied me(she's only flesh and blood!), but I never thought of reporting her, even though it was a one way thing. Imagine if the situation was reversed. You are dead right about pot banks, by the way! |
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 8, 2017 7:49:59 GMT
You've suddenly changed your tune 'cos it's a Labour MP rather than a Tory. Look these comments were not meant to be political my actual view on any of this is there should be a statute time within which accusations can be brought up on the conservative point the issue is too fold one they have admitted it, it was known to the party and yet still they were given ministerial posts and this shows a distinct lack of judgment on her part and a lack of leadership Sounds a lot like the kelvin hopkins appointment But then everyone knows corbyns judgment is suspect |
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Post by Squeekster on Nov 8, 2017 9:26:34 GMT
It was disscussed on the Jeremy Vine show earlier this week and the wife of a high ranking MP told stories of young women turning up at their home for help and personal meetings, she said they would also turn up uninvited at conferences and ask to stay in the same room as her husband.
Basically, she said there wasn't much they wouldn't do to further their career.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Nov 8, 2017 14:11:41 GMT
Illuminating thread,I won't be able to read certain poster's comments without thinking: "Yeah,he probably had his bollocks painted with slip at some juncture...."
😉😂
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Post by flea79 on Nov 8, 2017 14:31:13 GMT
seems to be trial by media for these people,
it raises the question about anonymity in rape cases where the accuser gets to hide yet the accused is named regardless of the outcome of the trial, even if found innocent I imagine the stigma will never leave that person!
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Post by Gods on Nov 8, 2017 14:53:53 GMT
It's a tough one I think, the blurring of the lines between salacious comments and rape.
I mean, I'd be the last person to defend Michael Fallon and you wonder how bad things must have got for you to find yourself hitting on Andrea Leadsom but his 'I know where you can put your cold hands' remark was clearly a joke wasn't it? Okay it was a bad joke and likely an inappropriate one but its just the kind of joke men of his age would make, straight out of a 70's sitcom, it was probably last heard on Are You Being Served in 1975!
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 8, 2017 17:41:45 GMT
It’s mostly sexual harassment which is a bit different to assaults If an assault took place go to the police and report a crime. And indefensible I think “some not all” of the harassment issues a bit OTT. what is not acceptable today was pretty much common place everywhere 10-20 years ago. Speak to some of the people who worked in the pot banks will tell you the women were just as bad or worse than the men. It seems if you wolf whistled some bird 20 years ago you are now up for investigation. I'm not sure if you know but a kiss or touching someone's arm etc. can be classed as an assault in the eyes of the law abh I went for a job interview as a 16 year old in an accountants in Crewe and the sexual comments from the women (older) in the office were appalling (it was an all women office ) A charge of ABH requires an injury such as bruise, scratch or may be a bite mark. Kissing somebody without their consent is sexual assault. You would be hard pressed to bring charges against somebody for touching your arm unless it resulted in an injury or an intent to injure. In which case it would be common assault. Certainly not ABH. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 8, 2017 17:49:48 GMT
seems to be trial by media for these people, it raises the question about anonymity in rape cases where the accuser gets to hide yet the accused is named regardless of the outcome of the trial, even if found innocent I imagine the stigma will never leave that person! Spot on flea. I would urge you to read Jim Davidson's book "No Further Action". In it he claims that even the investigating police officers didn’t believe the "victim" but were pressured by the Yew Tree hierarchy to find evidence. Like him or loathe him Freddie Starr has been destroyed by false accusations of sexual assault. |
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