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Post by raythesailor on Nov 6, 2017 12:10:35 GMT
Our old friend is again moaning following a Arsenal defeat.
He accuses Stirling of diving, and goes onto say "we all know he is very good at that".
But does he have a point ?
I recall him diving at the Brit for Liverpool, and a very embarrassing fall for England that earned a Rooney penalty to achieve a goal scoring record. It was so blatant the TV did not show a replay.
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Post by nott1 on Nov 6, 2017 12:18:50 GMT
He is 100% correct!
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 6, 2017 12:20:53 GMT
I though retrospective punishment can be dished out to cheats like Stirling.
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Post by werrington on Nov 6, 2017 12:22:37 GMT
He never had an issue when Robert Pires was doing it on a weekly basis
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 6, 2017 12:22:52 GMT
It looked a lot like the old 'Spanish penalty'.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 12:27:29 GMT
Ofc he's right. Do we care ....no.
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Post by biglad180 on Nov 6, 2017 12:30:58 GMT
deffo correct stirling is and always has bin a cheat
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Post by thebet365 on Nov 6, 2017 12:32:54 GMT
It was a stonewall penalty. Granted Sterling was certainly playing for it when he could of gone for goal himself but Monreal never attempted to get the ball just barged Sterling off it.
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Post by Gods on Nov 6, 2017 12:36:25 GMT
He was 100% correct with regard to their game with Man City at the weekend, the offside goal and Stirling's laughable yet successful attempt to win a penalty. He was also very funny, I had to stop myself from laughing about his comment on the referee deciding the game!
“It was an intense game of quality on both sides,” Wenger said.
“I thought Manchester City were on a high but I felt we had plenty of dangerous situations and chances and I would say overall once again the referee made the decision today.
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Post by nutterpotter on Nov 6, 2017 12:37:33 GMT
How was it a dive when there was clear contact between the 2 players?
Might have been a soft penalty. But it definitely wasn't a dive.
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Post by Veritas on Nov 6, 2017 12:39:18 GMT
Stirling is a diver but not on this occasion clearly caught his leg
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Post by werrington on Nov 6, 2017 12:42:30 GMT
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Post by milky on Nov 6, 2017 12:43:19 GMT
Is he right ? Of course he is.
Is he an hypocrite?Of course he is.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 6, 2017 12:46:15 GMT
How was it a dive when there was clear contact between the 2 players? Might have been a soft penalty. But it definitely wasn't a dive. Whare is the law that says if there is any contact then a foul/penalty has been committed? As far as I know the shoulder charge has not been outlawed. The argument is not whether there was or was not contact but what the nature of the contact was. If it was a fair shoulder charge then it wasn't a penalty. The problem is if it wasn't a shoulder charge did the contact constitute a foul - and I have to admit I have no idea what the laws of the game have to say on that point. |
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Post by nutterpotter on Nov 6, 2017 12:48:32 GMT
How was it a dive when there was clear contact between the 2 players? Might have been a soft penalty. But it definitely wasn't a dive. Whare is the law that says if there is any contact then a foul/penalty has been committed? As far as I know the shoulder charge has not been outlawed. The argument is not whether there was or was not contact but what the nature of the contact was. If it was a fair shoulder charge then it wasn't a penalty. The problem is if it wasn't a shoulder charge did the contact constitute a foul - and I have to admit I have no idea what the laws of the game have to say on that point. Yeah exactly. I totally agree with that. My point was that Sterling didn't dive. There's a difference between someone diving and debating whether a player has gone down easily or not. Did he dive? No. There was clear contact between the players. Should it have been a foul/penalty? That's debatable. |
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Post by greyman on Nov 6, 2017 12:50:29 GMT
He never had an issue when Robert Pires was doing it on a weekly basis Exactly |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 12:51:04 GMT
It wasn't even a dive so Wenger is talking through his arse, and like Werrington has said he can hardly complain about players who dive can he?
Definite penalty if you ask me and Wenger is just trying to deflect from the fact the this team were yet again completely outplayed by one of their "title" rivals.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 6, 2017 12:54:25 GMT
And it wasn’t offside. It was very close but the lino got it right.
What pisses me off about that is if that was a stoke goal the marginal descision would have gone to our opponents.
On the penalty players would not go down as easy if fouls where they stayed on their feet got given. Nowadays you have to exaggerate the fall to get the descision
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Post by Northy on Nov 6, 2017 12:54:56 GMT
It was a stonewall penalty. Granted Sterling was certainly playing for it when he could of gone for goal himself but Monreal never attempted to get the ball just barged Sterling off it. I agree with the barge, and his leg was caught and when running at speed you will go over quickly as being unbalanced, but in days gone by it would have been a shoulder to shoulder barge and Sterling would have been told to stop being a fanny and get on with |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 6, 2017 13:01:29 GMT
This from a bloke who's players have training sessions with Tom Daley.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 6, 2017 13:02:19 GMT
Arsene has never been too bothered when it's his own players diving, and let's be honest, Arsenal have been one of the worst teams for consistently diving in the modern era. The 'Invincibles' (pfft) were a team made up of divers.... and I'll put money on that if Man City go on to break that record and also become 'Invicibles', they will achieve it with less diving than the Arsenal team.
Sterling is indeed a diver. He's a modern day footballer who needs little or no contact to take a tumble. The problem for me, is that diving is something Arsene Wenger actively promotes, and you could argue (with some validity) that it was his trademark in his earlier years at Arsenal that has perhaps caused the huge flood of diving throughout the league. I'm not saying the two are linked, but his earlier Arsenal teams were one of the first examples of concerted diving within the Premier League. Other teams have simply followed suit.
I watched the game and to be honest, there was more contact than the dive he took for Liverpool against us... the 'Spanish Penalty' as Brendan Rodgers called it. Of course, nobody gave a shit back then, because it was little old Stoke and nobody really cares. Now because the French philosopher has brought it up, there will be a 45 minute debate on BBC Sport this evening, guaranteed.
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Post by stonymcfc on Nov 6, 2017 13:31:12 GMT
Sterling was a diver at Liverpool but he certainly hasn't been at City. He was told to cut it out and because of his reputation he very rarely gets any penalty decisions. I've lost count how many pens he should have had. Yesterdays was nailed on. He was in control of the ball and in front of the player. The Arsenal player made no attempt to get the ball he played the man. He should have had a penalty in the first half too. When Sane squared the ball to him he was favourite for a tap in, except he was shoved in the back and couldn't get a shot away. Stonewall pen.
Silva was offside, but it wasn't as blatant as Wenger is claiming. The freeze-frame shows one leg was offside, so it's easy to see how it was missed.
Wenger's post match comments are an utter disgrace and the FA should charge him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 6, 2017 13:36:55 GMT
It was a penalty.
Monreal's legs hit Sterling's and even if they don't, it's not a dive.
Wenger should be fined and apologise.
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Post by Will_75 on Nov 6, 2017 13:59:54 GMT
And it wasn’t offside. It was very close but the lino got it right.
What pisses me off about that is if that was a stoke goal the marginal descision would have gone to our opponents. On the penalty players would not go down as easy if fouls where they stayed on their feet got given. Nowadays you have to exaggerate the fall to get the descision Apart from when we last played Arsenal, obv |
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Post by localloser on Nov 6, 2017 14:22:43 GMT
Of course he hasn't correct. He's a twat and always will be.
He forgets that its the "big clubs" that tend to get the benefit of the doubt (although Oliver is also undoubtedly a twat). Now, when the Arse play Manchester City, Man City is the bigger club, so he just has to get used to the new reality.
Suck it up, Arsene, you twat.
Meanwhile, the rest of us laugh ourselves silly.....
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 6, 2017 14:32:34 GMT
Clearly not a dive, but it was a soft penalty.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 6, 2017 14:34:25 GMT
And it wasn’t offside. It was very close but the lino got it right. What pisses me off about that is if that was a stoke goal the marginal descision would have gone to our opponents. On the penalty players would not go down as easy if fouls where they stayed on their feet got given. Nowadays you have to exaggerate the fall to get the descision It was well offside - it wasn't even marginal. It was a damn site more offside than Lacazette was against us. |
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Post by Gods on Nov 6, 2017 15:14:08 GMT
Whare is the law that says if there is any contact then a foul/penalty has been committed? As far as I know the shoulder charge has not been outlawed. The argument is not whether there was or was not contact but what the nature of the contact was. If it was a fair shoulder charge then it wasn't a penalty. The problem is if it wasn't a shoulder charge did the contact constitute a foul - and I have to admit I have no idea what the laws of the game have to say on that point. Yeah exactly. I totally agree with that. My point was that Sterling didn't dive. There's a difference between someone diving and debating whether a player has gone down easily or not. Did he dive? No. There was clear contact between the players.
Should it have been a foul/penalty? That's debatable. Diving and contact are not mutually exclusive, it can still be a dive when there is contact. Football is famously called a 'contact' sport, the implication being that some level of contact is allowed, not all contact is a foul, Sterling tried to make it look like one by throwing himself to the floor, the first principle should be that you try to stay on your feet if you can, anything short of that is cheating. You wouldn't do it if you were having a kick around with some mates, nor should you in a professional game. |
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Post by waffles on Nov 6, 2017 15:17:54 GMT
Deffo well offside
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Post by lordb on Nov 6, 2017 15:27:56 GMT
Might be soft but it's a foul in the penalty area.
Monreal doesn't play the ball.
Does Sterling make a meal of it?
Maybe and if so he should get booked as well for exaggeration.
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