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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 3, 2018 12:00:00 GMT
You appear to have ignored my previous links re: anti-semitism from the militant left within Labour. Don't ask me to furnish you with links and evidence when you can't be bothered to read ones I've already posted. As for Abbott receiving racist Tweets, given how many people from different ends of the spectrum are on Twitter, the law of averages dictates that she's bound to receive some comeback given her own disparaging remarks about white people, again something you seem eager to gloss over. Do you believe her comments were acceptable? And who said anything about these Tweets coming from the left? I said the left bring everything back down to race which is what Momo did further up this thread and you also appear to be proving my point quite succinctly ☺ What are these anti-Semitic remarks specifically??? You have posted 2 links, one is about Livingstone who has been expelled from the party. What more do you want there? Are you saying if someone says something that is perceived to be anti-Semitic (though that is debatable imho and often anti-Israeli which is a completely different thing) then it is ok for that person to be abused racially??? Let's get this clear as you keep banging on about it as if you are somehow the victim here, It is not bringing back EVERYTHING to race, that is a totally disingenuous response and totally misleading. This is a specific point. if you don't think there is a problem given the disproportionate amount of abuse aimed at Black MPs compared to others then you can only be in denial. Your defence of these abusive tweets based on the fact she must have provoked abuse is dangerous and quite frightening to be honest. Do you support abusive tweets that call her out as a black bitch etc Yes or No??? Also you seem confused I am not defending each of Abbott's political statements. She is a politician she is most often wrong as are nearly all politicians. I am defending her right not to be abused based on the colour of he skin. The evidence for that in this case is very, very clear. I have seen no evidence that comments she has made deserve that kind of abuse. Other MPs who make comparative gaffes do not receive the same level of abuse. That is a fact. Her comments about white people are hardly abusive. In fact, I find the response to these comments totally over the top given that our recent history of over 300 years of British colonialism based on enslavement of black peoples. Does she call white people bitches?.. make comments about their physical appearances??? Spit, I haven't read the entire thread, but , in my opinion , Diane is simply not very good, promoted above her ability, due to her relationship with Corbyn and lack of alternatives. That's Irrespective of gender or colour.She should not be abused Personal abuse is out of order, but unfortunately it seems par for the course, .Posters on the Oatcake have been known to attack the person rather than the point, some more so than others. If you are black, a woman, an older white male, a young person, offering a view that isn't ' politically correct" etc seems to make a person game for abuse. There has always been a tendency to ridicule/ caricature the ' famous'( Spit....ting Image) Who makes the rules? Just thoughts
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 3, 2018 12:03:04 GMT
You appear to have ignored my previous links re: anti-semitism from the militant left within Labour. Don't ask me to furnish you with links and evidence when you can't be bothered to read ones I've already posted. As for Abbott receiving racist Tweets, given how many people from different ends of the spectrum are on Twitter, the law of averages dictates that she's bound to receive some comeback given her own disparaging remarks about white people, again something you seem eager to gloss over. Do you believe her comments were acceptable? And who said anything about these Tweets coming from the left? I said the left bring everything back down to race which is what Momo did further up this thread and you also appear to be proving my point quite succinctly ☺ What are these anti-Semitic remarks specifically??? You have posted 2 links, one is about Livingstone who has been expelled from the party. What more do you want there? Are you saying if someone says something that is perceived to be anti-Semitic (though that is debatable imho and often anti-Israeli which is a completely different thing) then it is ok for that person to be abused racially??? Let's get this clear as you keep banging on about it as if you are somehow the victim here, It is not bringing back EVERYTHING to race, that is a totally disingenuous response and totally misleading. This is a specific point. if you don't think there is a problem given the disproportionate amount of abuse aimed at Black MPs compared to others then you can only be in denial. Your defence of these abusive tweets based on the fact she must have provoked abuse is dangerous and quite frightening to be honest. Do you support abusive tweets that call her out as a black bitch etc Yes or No??? Also you seem confused I am not defending each of Abbott's political statements. She is a politician she is most often wrong as are nearly all politicians. I am defending her right not to be abused based on the colour of he skin. The evidence for that in this case is very, very clear. I have seen no evidence that comments she has made deserve that kind of abuse. Other MPs who make comparative gaffes do not receive the same level of abuse. That is a fact. Her comments about white people are hardly abusive. In fact, I find the response to these comments totally over the top given that our recent history of over 300 years of British colonialism based on enslavement of black peoples. Does she call white people bitches?.. make comments about their physical appearances??? “The people that complain about the freedom of movement will not be satisfied because what they really want is to see less foreign-looking people on their streets.” Response to the people who voted for Brexit from ...............Diane Abbott. ``The issue is not one of colour - the issue is that people should not be recruited from overseas in an area of mass unemployment.'' ......Diane Abbott. ``blonde, blue-eyed'' Finnish nurses at her local hospital. ..............Diane Abbott ``I am sure that these young women are charming. But they are basically here to improve their English and are unlikely to give the British health service a lifetime's commitment.'' ........................Diane Abbott ``And are Finnish girls, who may never have met a black person before, let alone touched one, best suited to nurse in multicultural Hackney?'' .......Diane Abbott. 'White people love playing divide and rule' .......... Diane Abbott.
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Post by felonious on Mar 3, 2018 13:37:55 GMT
Another white man attacking Diane Abbott.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 3, 2018 13:49:28 GMT
Another white man attacking Diane Abbott.
That does sound a bit ridiculous coming from someone and a party who are hoping to represent all of us, it might have been easier if she had simply said that she had overstepped the mark and made it clear, as Neil in one sense was trying to help her to do, that in general there was little difference between white and black mums. Just to refuse to comment does not sit comfortably with the job she is supposed to be doing. I also think that she would still have sent her children to a private school, even though( possibly more so) Labour have built five new ones. Labour just don't represent the working class any more, ( and I recognise that it isn't quite that simple).
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Post by thevoid on Mar 3, 2018 14:01:01 GMT
You appear to have ignored my previous links re: anti-semitism from the militant left within Labour. Don't ask me to furnish you with links and evidence when you can't be bothered to read ones I've already posted. As for Abbott receiving racist Tweets, given how many people from different ends of the spectrum are on Twitter, the law of averages dictates that she's bound to receive some comeback given her own disparaging remarks about white people, again something you seem eager to gloss over. Do you believe her comments were acceptable? And who said anything about these Tweets coming from the left? I said the left bring everything back down to race which is what Momo did further up this thread and you also appear to be proving my point quite succinctly ☺ What are these anti-Semitic remarks specifically??? You have posted 2 links, one is about Livingstone who has been expelled from the party. What more do you want there? Are you saying if someone says something that is perceived to be anti-Semitic (though that is debatable imho and often anti-Israeli which is a completely different thing) then it is ok for that person to be abused racially??? Let's get this clear as you keep banging on about it as if you are somehow the victim here, It is not bringing back EVERYTHING to race, that is a totally disingenuous response and totally misleading. This is a specific point. if you don't think there is a problem given the disproportionate amount of abuse aimed at Black MPs compared to others then you can only be in denial. Your defence of these abusive tweets based on the fact she must have provoked abuse is dangerous and quite frightening to be honest. Do you support abusive tweets that call her out as a black bitch etc Yes or No??? Also you seem confused I am not defending each of Abbott's political statements. She is a politician she is most often wrong as are nearly all politicians. I am defending her right not to be abused based on the colour of he skin. The evidence for that in this case is very, very clear. I have seen no evidence that comments she has made deserve that kind of abuse. Other MPs who make comparative gaffes do not receive the same level of abuse. That is a fact. Her comments about white people are hardly abusive. In fact, I find the response to these comments totally over the top given that our recent history of over 300 years of British colonialism based on enslavement of black peoples. Does she call white people bitches?.. make comments about their physical appearances??? Your last paragraph has confirmed all I need to know, and for that reason, I'm out. Enjoy your weekend.
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Post by felonious on Mar 3, 2018 14:10:55 GMT
Another white man attacking Diane Abbott.
That does sound a bit ridiculous coming from someone and a party who are hoping to represent all of us, it might have been easier if she had simply said that she had overstepped the mark and made it clear, as Neil in I've sense was trying to help her to do, that in general there was little difference between white and black mums. Just to refuse to comment does not sit comfortably with the job she is supposed to be doing. I also think that she would still send her children to a private school, even though( possibly more so) Labour have built five new ones. Labour just don't represent the working class any more, ( and I recognise that it isn't quite that simple). Neil sums it up quite nicely by suggesting the equivalent statement being made by Portillo.
I think personally she's just not very good at her job which has nothing to do with colour.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 3, 2018 14:18:51 GMT
What are these anti-Semitic remarks specifically??? You have posted 2 links, one is about Livingstone who has been expelled from the party. What more do you want there? Are you saying if someone says something that is perceived to be anti-Semitic (though that is debatable imho and often anti-Israeli which is a completely different thing) then it is ok for that person to be abused racially??? Let's get this clear as you keep banging on about it as if you are somehow the victim here, It is not bringing back EVERYTHING to race, that is a totally disingenuous response and totally misleading. This is a specific point. if you don't think there is a problem given the disproportionate amount of abuse aimed at Black MPs compared to others then you can only be in denial. Your defence of these abusive tweets based on the fact she must have provoked abuse is dangerous and quite frightening to be honest. Do you support abusive tweets that call her out as a black bitch etc Yes or No??? Also you seem confused I am not defending each of Abbott's political statements. She is a politician she is most often wrong as are nearly all politicians. I am defending her right not to be abused based on the colour of he skin. The evidence for that in this case is very, very clear. I have seen no evidence that comments she has made deserve that kind of abuse. Other MPs who make comparative gaffes do not receive the same level of abuse. That is a fact. Her comments about white people are hardly abusive. In fact, I find the response to these comments totally over the top given that our recent history of over 300 years of British colonialism based on enslavement of black peoples. Does she call white people bitches?.. make comments about their physical appearances??? Your last paragraph has confirmed all I need to know, and for that reason, I'm out. Enjoy your weekend. I think you're right there Void. Not being able to come to terms with our Post Colonial guilt, and Germany not being able to come to terms with their post war guilt, in these "Enlightened times"...is a major reason that "we" ( by that I mean the UK and the nations of Europe) are in a confused, leaderless, impotent state. As an individual we are often our own worst enemy, unforgiving , judgemental, which can lead to paralysis and mental health issues. I think that the powers to be are causing the same effect on a nation wide basis.....a national nervous breakdown. The irony is that it is at the level of the same political class that caused the issues in the first place, that is causing the problem now.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Apr 13, 2018 19:31:16 GMT
Abbott’s scheduled to appear on QT next week. Will she? 1. Pull out due to illness? 2.Get her numbers wrong ... again? 3. Get mocked for being ‘out of date’ by Dimbleby ... again? Or 4. Sit there like a lemon with glazed eyes?......Diane’s answer to this question was 1, 2, 3 and 4...😕?...... Tune in next week to find out!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 20:06:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 15:36:17 GMT
And comical quote of the day goes to...... The woman who can't even do simple maths
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Post by Northy on Apr 26, 2018 16:14:11 GMT
And comical quote of the day goes to...... The woman who can't even do simple maths
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Post by claytonscrubs on May 17, 2018 21:41:30 GMT
Diane (Jabba) Abbott’s on QT tonight, if anybody’s interested....Must-see television 🙂
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 17, 2018 22:29:02 GMT
Diane (Jabba) Abbott’s on QT tonight, if anybody’s interested....Must-see television 🙂 Why on earth do they keep trotting her out.
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Post by crapslinger on May 17, 2018 22:34:41 GMT
Diane (Jabba) Abbott’s on QT tonight, if anybody’s interested....Must-see television 🙂 Why on earth do they keep trotting her out. Cheap car crash comedy thick as a fucking brick.
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 17, 2018 22:37:47 GMT
Why on earth do they keep trotting her out. Cheap car crash comedy thick as a fucking brick. 😊😊👏
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Post by claytonscrubs on May 17, 2018 22:42:53 GMT
Diane (Jabba) Abbott’s on QT tonight, if anybody’s interested....Must-see television 🙂 Why on earth do they keep trotting her out. Precisely, she’s not doing Labour any favours.......Embarrassing!
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 17, 2018 22:47:54 GMT
Why on earth do they keep trotting her out. Precisely, she’s not doing Labour any favours.......Embarrassing! Maybe she's some sort of insomniac and needs to stay awake on a Thursday. If so she isn't making a very good job of it.
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Post by claytonscrubs on May 17, 2018 22:52:31 GMT
Precisely, she’s not doing Labour any favours.......Embarrassing! Maybe she's some sort of insomniac and needs to stay awake on a Thursday. If so she isn't making a very good job of it. Don’t be so rude!.....She’s our future Home Secretary 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 4:52:24 GMT
She's an absolute liability and a complete and utter embarrassment.
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Post by crapslinger on May 18, 2018 7:08:46 GMT
She's an absolute liability and a complete and utter embarrassment. And that's on a good day.
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Post by bringmesunshine on May 18, 2018 8:42:21 GMT
She's an absolute liability and a complete and utter embarrassment. And that's on a good day. And that good day was the one when she withdrew from frontline politics during the election campaign with a mystery illness only to miraculously recover on the Friday morning after the vote.
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Post by crapslinger on May 18, 2018 8:45:09 GMT
And that's on a good day. And that good day was the one when she withdrew from frontline politics during the election campaign with a mystery illness only to miraculously recover on the Friday morning after the vote. The life threatening mystery illness
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Post by bringmesunshine on May 18, 2018 8:53:29 GMT
And that good day was the one when she withdrew from frontline politics during the election campaign with a mystery illness only to miraculously recover on the Friday morning after the vote. The life threatening mystery illness Clearly not threatening enough.
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