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Nov 6, 2017 9:53:50 GMT
Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 6, 2017 9:53:50 GMT
When WHU decides to sell Arnautovic, and a new manager might well decide to get rid of him, he could get transferred to Burnley, as Dyche seems to like players taught by Hughes. Then Walters and Arnie could be teammates again. That could get interesting. It´s interesting for me, cause Arni always praised Walters to the skies, when he was asked from journalists. "He´s not a human, he is a machine!" Arnautovic about Walters before the Qualifying game Austria-Ireland in November 2016 They were team mates then though. Anyway that could be seen as being damned with faint praise to some extent. He's basically alluding to the fact that Walters is like a robot, capable of running all day long but with no human skill or ingenuity Actually I don't think Arnautovic is clever enough to think like that or Walters to interpret it as such. They both come across as pigshit thick.
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Nov 6, 2017 9:59:47 GMT
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Post by burge2u on Nov 6, 2017 9:59:47 GMT
No fight no defence only played when he wanted never turned up every week would not dig in when things got tough.. Which is utter arse gravy tbh. He was way better at defending than Walters for a start. ..... oh no he wasn't.
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Post by Will_75 on Nov 6, 2017 10:03:45 GMT
Just sounds like the bitter, petty cunt that he is. Arnautovic was better offensively, defensively and when he was on song worth the admission fee alone, statistics even proved that the whole “Walters is in the team for his defensive capabilities” was a complete myth, he was comfortably the worst wide player in every department, but because he ran about a bit that made it all ok. Don’t give me the top scorer bollocks either, he played about 9000 games I’d expect fucking Butland to score that many never mind an actual striker, and half of them were penalties, which he was shit at, proper hit and hope. I’ll spew all the acid I can at Arnautovic but to come out with all of that is completely unsubstantiated shite, never has a player dined out on a six month patch of form to the degree old Jonboy did. He was kept here for two seasons too long, he was utterly hopeless to watch and he should have been fucked off the moment he started the woe is me nonsense regarding his contract. I’d have the Austrian serpent back here over the Merseyside plodder any day. What a load of shit.
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Nov 6, 2017 10:17:54 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Nov 6, 2017 10:17:54 GMT
Did he? He'd run around a bit but he didn't turn up quite often. And how many goals did you score for Stoke City at Wembley please? Just asking. Yes the 4th and 5th goals really turned the tide didn’t they? The game was done and dusted and the 4th was a great strike but don’t paint it like the game winner. How many attempts did he have at goal in the Final- zero (like the rest admittedly)..
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Nov 6, 2017 10:25:26 GMT
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Nov 6, 2017 10:25:26 GMT
He’s not said anything in that clip different than most Stoke supporters have said about Arnie. Personally, who would I prefer by my side in a difficult game..... SJW every single time. Honest Solid Professional They all do what they can for the dollar, but Jon always turned up. Did he? He'd run around a bit but he didn't turn up quite often. We all have bad days. Call that not turning up as you wish. Can’t say I saw this ‘quite often’......Arnie on the other hand....
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Post by Gods on Nov 6, 2017 10:30:31 GMT
SJW and Arnie were fabulous players for us in their contrasting styles, both will go down in Stoke City folklore and you can't ask for any more than that.
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Nov 6, 2017 10:36:41 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Nov 6, 2017 10:36:41 GMT
Stoke city is a great club. It looks after it’s players well, well run and stable
It’s a shame ex players like Jon, higgy and “the defender” have to come out with thinly or thickly veiled digs.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Nov 6, 2017 12:34:36 GMT
It´s interesting for me, cause Arni always praised Walters to the skies, when he was asked from journalists. "He´s not a human, he is a machine!" Arnautovic about Walters before the Qualifying game Austria-Ireland in November 2016 They were team mates then though. Anyway that could be seen as being damned with faint praise to some extent. He's basically alluding to the fact that Walters is like a robot, capable of running all day long but with no human skill or ingenuity Actually I don't think Arnautovic is clever enough to think like that or Walters to interpret it as such. They both come across as pigshit thick. I've no idea about Arnie's IQ, but SJW is most certainly not " pigshit thick" as you charmingly put it. I remember a very experienced manager telling me that the reason managers like SJW so much is that he has both the willingness and intelligence to play whatever role the manager wants him to. Too many players, he said, have one but not the other.
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Nov 6, 2017 13:47:02 GMT
Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 6, 2017 13:47:02 GMT
They were team mates then though. Anyway that could be seen as being damned with faint praise to some extent. He's basically alluding to the fact that Walters is like a robot, capable of running all day long but with no human skill or ingenuity Actually I don't think Arnautovic is clever enough to think like that or Walters to interpret it as such. They both come across as pigshit thick. I've no idea about Arnie's IQ, but SJW is most certainly not " pigshit thick" as you charmingly put it. I remember a very experienced manager telling me that the reason managers like SJW so much is that he has both the willingness and intelligence to play whatever role the manager wants him to. Too many players, he said, have one but not the other. He didn't sound too clever on the telly yesterday having a dig at a former team mate and fellow professional. It had a touch of the desparation not to be bland about it.
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Post by malisastokie on Nov 6, 2017 15:39:57 GMT
I thought it had touch of honesty and touch about what the man Walters was all about.
Not technically blessed but would die for the shirt .
It’s about time some of these Prima donna’s are outed for what they are.
If the fool had not got suspended for 3 weeks , how many points could have West Sham have ?
Maybe a few more and the bloke who invested in him might not be sacked.
I am not blaming Arnie for Slavan’s demise but he played his part .
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Nov 9, 2017 19:31:45 GMT
Post by lancyclaret on Nov 9, 2017 19:31:45 GMT
How many times did you play for Stoke City? You keep having a pop at Jon but please remind me of how many times you played for our club,really interested. You've got a former player commenting on another former players struggles at a new club when he himself is also struggling at his new club. Both of them are absolute wankers. Not easy for Walters to make an impression having been sidelined by a knee injury for 2 months. You can hardly say he is "struggling".
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Nov 9, 2017 19:50:44 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 9, 2017 19:50:44 GMT
You've got a former player commenting on another former players struggles at a new club when he himself is also struggling at his new club. Both of them are absolute wankers. Not easy for Walters to make an impression having been sidelined by a knee injury for 2 months. You can hardly say he is "struggling". He couldn't get in the team before that and injuries have been a massive part of his career these last 2 years. It's a fair comment.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 9, 2017 20:23:38 GMT
They were team mates then though. Anyway that could be seen as being damned with faint praise to some extent. He's basically alluding to the fact that Walters is like a robot, capable of running all day long but with no human skill or ingenuity Actually I don't think Arnautovic is clever enough to think like that or Walters to interpret it as such. They both come across as pigshit thick. I've no idea about Arnie's IQ, but SJW is most certainly not " pigshit thick" as you charmingly put it. I remember a very experienced manager telling me that the reason managers like SJW so much is that he has both the willingness and intelligence to play whatever role the manager wants him to. Too many players, he said, have one but not the other. Did this manager mention whether or not he'd tried to teach him the offside rule?
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Post by potterpaul on Nov 9, 2017 20:57:18 GMT
They were team mates then though. Anyway that could be seen as being damned with faint praise to some extent. He's basically alluding to the fact that Walters is like a robot, capable of running all day long but with no human skill or ingenuity Actually I don't think Arnautovic is clever enough to think like that or Walters to interpret it as such. They both come across as pigshit thick. I've no idea about Arnie's IQ, but SJW is most certainly not " pigshit thick" as you charmingly put it. I remember a very experienced manager telling me that the reason managers like SJW so much is that he has both the willingness and intelligence to play whatever role the manager wants him to. Too many players, he said, have one but not the other. You have used the opinions of this experienced manager for a fair few seasons when defending JW but never said who he actually is. The opinions of any individual doesn't make it true. We can only form an opinion by witnessing it ourselves and given JW past media highlights along with this current outburst I would be leaning more towards "pigshit thick" than an Oxford scholar
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Nov 9, 2017 21:25:20 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 9, 2017 21:25:20 GMT
You've got a former player commenting on another former players struggles at a new club when he himself is also struggling at his new club. Both of them are absolute wankers. Not easy for Walters to make an impression having been sidelined by a knee injury for 2 months. You can hardly say he is "struggling". Was he in your team before he got injured? No. Had he played even remotely well in any Burnley game outside of friendlies against non league teams? No. Is he behind vokes, wood and Barnes in the pecking order even when fit? Yes. I think it's fair to say he's struggling. It's also fair to say he's an absolute wanker. Even fairer to say is that we saw you coming and robbed you blind. Merson described it as the deal of the summer. He was absolutely right. It was a fantastic deal for stoke city. Arguably one of our best ever. Second only to robbing you lot blind for Michael kightly.
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Nov 9, 2017 21:36:41 GMT
Post by Dresden_scfc on Nov 9, 2017 21:36:41 GMT
Walters was right what he said, he only tracked back when he wanted to always chucking his arms in the air moaning, Walters knows he wasn't loyal to Stoke, can you really argue with what he said, he was good for us yea but looking at it we got a great deal just arguably wasn't invested properly weather comes in January who knows!
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Nov 9, 2017 21:45:35 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Nov 9, 2017 21:45:35 GMT
Walters was right what he said, he only tracked back when he wanted to always chucking his arms in the air moaning, Walters knows he wasn't loyal to Stoke, can you really argue with what he said, he was good for us yea but looking at it we got a great deal just arguably wasn't invested properly weather comes in January who knows! I know! The weather will definitely come in January, I promise.
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Nov 9, 2017 21:53:56 GMT
Post by Dresden_scfc on Nov 9, 2017 21:53:56 GMT
Walters was right what he said, he only tracked back when he wanted to always chucking his arms in the air moaning, Walters knows he wasn't loyal to Stoke, can you really argue with what he said, he was good for us yea but looking at it we got a great deal just arguably wasn't invested properly weather comes in January who knows! I know! The weather will definitely come in January, I promise. 😂
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Nov 9, 2017 21:58:53 GMT
Post by numpty40 on Nov 9, 2017 21:58:53 GMT
Who would you rather spend your hard earned cash watching on a football pitch, Walters or Arnie?
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Nov 9, 2017 22:41:14 GMT
Post by Malcolm Clarke on Nov 9, 2017 22:41:14 GMT
I've no idea about Arnie's IQ, but SJW is most certainly not " pigshit thick" as you charmingly put it. I remember a very experienced manager telling me that the reason managers like SJW so much is that he has both the willingness and intelligence to play whatever role the manager wants him to. Too many players, he said, have one but not the other. You have used the opinions of this experienced manager for a fair few seasons when defending JW but never said who he actually is. The opinions of any individual doesn't make it true. We can only form an opinion by witnessing it ourselves and given JW past media highlights along with this current outburst I would be leaning more towards "pigshit thick" than an Oxford scholar I think I may have quoted it once before. But it is true that there is a great deal of tedious repetition in this discussion, with the same people saying the same things year after year, in this case including me. I don't say who it is because I have a strict policy of never identifying private football conversations on public message boards without the permission of the person involved because that is a sure way of not having those conversations (although in this case I would guess that the person involved wouldn't regard his opinion as confidential and for all I know might have said it in the media himself). You are right that an opinion is just that, an opinion, although in this case it is from an informed source. I have only just got round to watching the clip of what SJW said, and in all honesty thought it a bit of a damp squib which I wouldn't describe as an "outburst". He said what a lot of Stoke fans think in response to a question he was asked.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Nov 9, 2017 22:49:19 GMT
"Moyes has green-light to sell West Ham £25m flop Arnautovic to fund January buys" according to the Daily Mirror. I love how someone can be a flop so early. Why not try getting the best out of him? Everyone seems to have forgotten he was far from a regular starter in our team up to this point last season, then he went on to have (arguably) his best season with us. It's funny how the Arnie to Sham transfer thread was mostly people criticising him, but a Walters quote on Arnie thread becomes posters dissing Walters instead. I don't think what Walters said is controversial (if you actually watch the video, rather than read what he's supposed to have said). Who would you rather spend your hard earned cash watching on a football pitch, Walters or Arnie? It's a close call - if Arnie was more consistent, him definitely. But I'd probably pick Walters if he was playing upfront, and I'm not one of the posters who was saying good riddance to Arnie - I enjoy watching players who give everything and love being on the pitch, and he's probably scored 10 better goals in a Stoke shirt than Arnautovic. He was also pretty hilarious at times, like last season (or the season before) when he got so frustrated with the opposition diving (I can't remember who) he mock rolled/dived in front of the ref.
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Nov 9, 2017 22:51:27 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 9, 2017 22:51:27 GMT
Who would you rather spend your hard earned cash watching on a football pitch, Walters or Arnie? Arnie easily. I don't understand and don't want to understand people who wouldn't vote that way. 😂
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Nov 9, 2017 23:00:31 GMT
Who would you rather spend your hard earned cash watching on a football pitch, Walters or Arnie? Different players, different attributes. You need both types of player in your team IMHO. I liked watching them both, although I thought there was much greater variation in the level of Arnie's performance than Walters, who was more reliable, but less likely to produce a moment of magic.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 9, 2017 23:59:25 GMT
I've no idea about Arnie's IQ, but SJW is most certainly not " pigshit thick" as you charmingly put it. I remember a very experienced manager telling me that the reason managers like SJW so much is that he has both the willingness and intelligence to play whatever role the manager wants him to. Too many players, he said, have one but not the other. He didn't sound too clever on the telly yesterday having a dig at a former team mate and fellow professional. It had a touch of the desparation not to be bland about it. What a load of shit. He was asked a question and responded too it quite diplomatically. What's desperate about that? I just don't understand the Hero Worshipping of Arnie on here. Do any Oatcake posters actually attend Stoke matches? Arnie was a fucking mard arse show pony who turned up when he felt like it...as West Ham fans are now finding out.
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Nov 10, 2017 5:36:49 GMT
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Post by scfcrmagic on Nov 10, 2017 5:36:49 GMT
SJW was so much better than Arnie, the comparison is laughable. And we are missing a fully fit SJW terribly this season. I think he's 'done' at this level now. I would agree ...Walters worked ‘ard and all that ..but he lacked skill and quality finishing ....he missed more goals than he got IMO, I think Hughes moving on the likes of Walters, Glenda and Bardo were the right decision...the squad needs to keep evolving otherwise we’re gonna be wheeling ‘em on every week. It’s hard to see long serving players leave,but that’s football .
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Nov 10, 2017 6:13:46 GMT
Post by potterpaul on Nov 10, 2017 6:13:46 GMT
I think he's 'done' at this level now. I would agree ...Walters worked ‘ard and all that ..but he lacked skill and quality finishing ....he missed more goals than he got IMO, I think Hughes moving on the likes of Walters, Glenda and Bardo were the right decision...the squad needs to keep evolving otherwise we’re gonna be wheeling ‘em on every week. It’s hard to see long serving players leave,but that’s football . To be fair all prolific scorers miss more than they get
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 10, 2017 6:20:20 GMT
I think he's 'done' at this level now. I would agree ...Walters worked ‘ard and all that ..but he lacked skill and quality finishing ....he missed more goals than he got IMO, I think Hughes moving on the likes of Walters, Glenda and Bardo were the right decision...the squad needs to keep evolving otherwise we’re gonna be wheeling ‘em on every week. It’s hard to see long serving players leave,but that’s football . I agree he neede moving on due to his age and injuries etc but sjw didn't lack skill , he scored some fantastic goals for us over the years
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